Why do some people believe and some do not?
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God loves and wants to save everyone (1TM 2:3-4, ACTS 17:26-28); Christ died to show God’s love and the possible salvation of all (RM 5:6-8) including His enemies (ungodly, atheist, anti-Christ).
God is just (2THS 1:6a, cf. RM 3:25-26 & 9:14, DT 32:4, PS 36:6, LK 11:42, RV 15:3). All explanations of reality and interpretations of Scripture should conform to this certitude: “The Lord is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works.” (PS 145:17) The Judge is just. It would be better not to attempt an explanation of God’s Word than to state one that impugns God’s justice and love for all people (JL 2:13, JN 3:16).
Even the wrath of God is an expression of His love. Hebrews 12:4-11 offers the clue for harmonizing these two themes. This passage indicates that divine wrath is intended as discipline: to teach people to repent of their hatefulness or faithlessness (PR 3:12, IS 33:14-15 RV 3:19) before they die, after which divine wrath will be experienced justly without the opportunity for repentance in hell.
God is just (2THS 1:6a, cf. RM 3:25-26 & 9:14, DT 32:4, PS 36:6, LK 11:42, RV 15:3). All explanations of reality and interpretations of Scripture should conform to this certitude: “The Lord is righteous in all his ways, and holy in all his works.” (PS 145:17) The Judge is just. It would be better not to attempt an explanation of God’s Word than to state one that impugns God’s justice and love for all people (JL 2:13, JN 3:16).
Even the wrath of God is an expression of His love. Hebrews 12:4-11 offers the clue for harmonizing these two themes. This passage indicates that divine wrath is intended as discipline: to teach people to repent of their hatefulness or faithlessness (PR 3:12, IS 33:14-15 RV 3:19) before they die, after which divine wrath will be experienced justly without the opportunity for repentance in hell.
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I see you're fairly new here. I'm not here much and maybe just visiting for now. I also saw this on another thread before you came to this thread: "I’ve been immersed in high Calvinist circles for years—probably some of the most Calvinist spaces you’ll find"
Is this the thread to be strongly asserting strict Calvinist traditions. I suppose any thread could be and your initial post on this one seemed a legitimate response to the question raised in the OP. But how far do we have to go into all the arguments over TULIP here? There's a lot of aggression on the other thread about Election. This one will quickly devolve into the same if someone pushes it.
Is this the thread to be strongly asserting strict Calvinist traditions. I suppose any thread could be and your initial post on this one seemed a legitimate response to the question raised in the OP. But how far do we have to go into all the arguments over TULIP here? There's a lot of aggression on the other thread about Election. This one will quickly devolve into the same if someone pushes it.
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pretty sure I've quoted 1 Timothy 2:3-4 more than once in this thread.
but the reality of that is not going to make me attempt to re-write clear scripture. it instead forces me to accept that scripture says what it says.
if you don't like what you think the implications of John 10 and Exodus 4 are, your problem isn't with me.
but the reality of that is not going to make me attempt to re-write clear scripture. it instead forces me to accept that scripture says what it says.
if you don't like what you think the implications of John 10 and Exodus 4 are, your problem isn't with me.
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I honestly think most internet debating is totally pointless. I'm interested in things I haven't heard before, not doing some mechanical deniminational combat, which is all this stuff ever is.
I've heard lots of people from outside the Reformed tradition make interesting points or distinctions, some of which I think fit into Reformed theology and some not. But when it comes to 'sectarian internet Bible quotation wars' I have better ways to waste my time.
I'm very up front about my theological particulars because I want to be transparent and honest, but I'm not interested in these dead end arguments over the same things. And you're not going to find me trying to convince random Pentacostals of Cessationism. 99% of the time it's just people repeating the same arguments at each other.
I've heard lots of people from outside the Reformed tradition make interesting points or distinctions, some of which I think fit into Reformed theology and some not. But when it comes to 'sectarian internet Bible quotation wars' I have better ways to waste my time.
I'm very up front about my theological particulars because I want to be transparent and honest, but I'm not interested in these dead end arguments over the same things. And you're not going to find me trying to convince random Pentacostals of Cessationism. 99% of the time it's just people repeating the same arguments at each other.
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Many cannot seem to make a distinction between making choices and having a will that is not free.
They are fixated on the idea that making choices equals free will.
When the fact of the matter is that Scripture teaches no such thing.
Jesus was able to align His human will with the will of God.
The free willers give the natural man that same ability.
They ascribe to the natural man things only the spiritual man is capable of.
They are fixated on the idea that making choices equals free will.
When the fact of the matter is that Scripture teaches no such thing.
Jesus was able to align His human will with the will of God.
The free willers give the natural man that same ability.
They ascribe to the natural man things only the spiritual man is capable of.
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the Bible is very clear that God does not author evil, and i believe that.
the worldview given by it is that we have all been, as it were, poisoned, through the sin of Adam and Eve - we were in them when they did this ((c.f.e. Hebrews 7:9-10)). the earth - dust - was cursed for Adam's sake, and ours also, being in him.
that is like dross in silver; what ore is taken from the earth must be purified. that doesn't mean silver and gold are created foul, but that there are impurities mingled in them in their state, that must be removed. the lump has leaven, but the wheat isn't leaven.
the worldview given by it is that we have all been, as it were, poisoned, through the sin of Adam and Eve - we were in them when they did this ((c.f.e. Hebrews 7:9-10)). the earth - dust - was cursed for Adam's sake, and ours also, being in him.
that is like dross in silver; what ore is taken from the earth must be purified. that doesn't mean silver and gold are created foul, but that there are impurities mingled in them in their state, that must be removed. the lump has leaven, but the wheat isn't leaven.
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We must not forget, either, that Jesus was purposed from before the foundation of the world...
to conquer sin and death, and to die for our sins, that we would be reconciled to God and attain to
life ever after (and escape the second death) by grace through faith in His shed righteous blood.
It was inevitable that Adam would sin, as he was of the natural world. God certainly knew he would.
to conquer sin and death, and to die for our sins, that we would be reconciled to God and attain to
life ever after (and escape the second death) by grace through faith in His shed righteous blood.
It was inevitable that Adam would sin, as he was of the natural world. God certainly knew he would.
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