Why do some people believe and some do not?

[studier]

This is the holy spirit when feeling sexual longing for a person that is not your spouse

I'm wanting to follow up on this a bit. I had looked more at the video than your comment.

I don't normally share these things, but I had a great experience one morning years ago immediately - and I mean instantaneously - upon awakening.

I was teaching at the time and always in the Word, night and day, studying and in prayer learning. I would at times get to a state I'd call 'saturated' - a great place to be.

One morning I awoke, and my mind went instantaneously into full awake mode and my first thought was something in line with what we're discussing. Then just as instantaneously my thought was 'prompted' to reject that thought. Then just as instantaneously the thought was gone. By 'instantaneously" I'm attempting to convey that this was as all in as if a microsecond but extremely focused and concentrated in full awareness.

Then came the back to normal consciousness mode. I thanked God for His lesson from His Spirit showing me what He's here to do for we who desire to know Him.

I go to this verse when I need it for the help in the battle at the thought level against sin:

NKJ Heb. 4:14-16 Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us (command) therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

 

[studier]

You know the thing with an angel on one shoulder and a devil on the other shoulder telling us what to do. From now on this clip of Barney is going to be the angel on my shoulder.

And see my #801 for the assist when necessary. It/He always works for me.

 

[sawdust]

I said longings are the other law

The "other law" is what we call the sin nature. As Paul said, it is in our body.

Just because the soul loves worldly things doesn't mean it is totally incapable of also loving spiritual things; that's a gnostic idea, ie total depravity/inability. It can also love godly things. That's called being double-minded and that is the struggle Paul is talking about with the law of fleshly longings warring against the law of the spiritual mind, ie desire to do good. You're under the influence of the gnostic idea that physical substance is evil, ie sin nature resides in the flesh.

I am not under any gnostic idea. I have already said the body is not evil but unfortunately you don't seem to listen too well.

That being said, not much point keep hashing this out when you don't understand what I say.

Have a good one.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I hope you have a good sleep and let me know when you have considered all the verses I mentioned earlier that you asked about.

Also it would be nice to know what you actually disagree with.

You mention a line to erase a chapter, I agree, and you come back with disagreeing. Makes not much sense to me. I am
left not know what if anything you disagree with or why you cannot acknowledge my agreeing and giving an example.

I’m actually going to just bow out of this thread and topic it just goes in circles and each side says the other side is mis representing them ect ect I just realized how there’s absolutely no edification in it or participating in it any more

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Good was all they knew before they sinned

They were made to not operate from good and evil perspective but to follow only what God told them without doubt. Later judgment is given to discern good and evil because they became corrupted with it and couldn’t handle , we’re t equipped to operate discerning good and evil ourselves but we need to hear and follow Gods judgements from his wisdom and knowledge to be right

it is mankind’s original design

“But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭4:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Still is now through the gospel

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭

 

[Magenta]

I’m actually going to just bow out of this thread and topic it just goes in circles and each side says the other side is mis representing them ect ect I just realized how there’s absolutely no edification in it or participating in it any more

I understand and sadly agree to some extent at least, although between some
there is understanding and true sharing of how God has worked in their lives...

I did depart the thread for a while and it could have been close to two weeks...

But anyways I hope you are well and that there was no truly serious sickness for
the reason behind your hospital visits... and I would still be interested to know
if and when you ever look at and investigate the many verses you asked about...

Understanding the natural man is germane to these discussions but sadly many ignore what is said of him.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I understand and sadly agree to some extent at least, although between some
there is understanding and true sharing of how God has worked in their lives...

I did depart the thread for a while and it could have been close to two weeks...

But anyways I hope you are well and that there was no truly serious sickness for
the reason behind your hospital visits... and I would still be interested to know
if and when you ever look at and investigate the many verses you asked about...

Yes each faction that agrees lol gets along great with each other and reassures thier view

 

[Magenta]

Yes each faction that agrees lol gets along great with each other and reassures thier view

I do hope I have never offended you with the presentation of my view...

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I understand and sadly agree to some extent at least, although between some
there is understanding and true sharing of how God has worked in their lives...

I did depart the thread for a while and it could have been close to two weeks...

But anyways I hope you are well and that there was no truly serious sickness for
the reason behind your hospital visits... and I would still be interested to know
if and when you ever look at and investigate the many verses you asked about...

Understanding the natural man is germane to these discussions but sadly many ignore what is said of him.

Thank you as always for the well wishes and love in Christ sister, and yes everything will be fine I believe sounds like a short procedure on a kidney will probably do the trick !

God bkess and keep you wonderful sister

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I do hope I have never offended you with the presentation of my view...

Not at all sis some topics just really drain my spirit because it goes in circles ot has nothing to do with anything you’ve said or anything like that no offense in any way from you . Your as much of a blessing as ever

 

[Magenta]

Not at all sis some topics just really drain my spirit because it goes in circles ot has nothing to do with anything
you’ve said or anything like that no offense in any way from you . Your as much of a blessing as ever

Thank you so much, bro Pilgrim... I hope we can discuss other things that we may find ourselves at odds over
with less friction... of course for me part of the friction comes from people falsely accusing me of all manner
of things, which is not something I believe you do at all, just saying that discussing anything in such conditions
is impossible to do in good faith when so many so frequently just blatantly lie whenever they feel like it.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Thank you so much, bro Pilgrim... I hope we can discuss other things that we may find ourselves at odds over
with less friction... of course for me part of the friction comes from people falsely accusing me of all manner
of things, which is not something I believe you do at all, just saying that discussing anything in such conditions
is impossible to do in good faith when so many so frequently just blatantly lie whenever they feel like it.

Yes the environment here makes it hard to discuss things for sure a lot of immaturity and carnality judgement accusation ect

and no I’ve never intentionally accused you of anything sister but I see a lot of it here in basically any thread lol

of course we can discuss anything anytime you are a blessing to me always have been since I came here . That doesn’t change because we didn’t agree on some things …..what kinda family would that be sister in Christ ? Naw yer stuck with me hard head and all

 

[cv5]

I’m actually going to just bow out of this thread and topic it just goes in circles and each side says the other side is mis representing them ect ect I just realized how there’s absolutely no edification in it or participating in it any more

It's all a joke to the Calvininites. Rightly dividing the truth that is.
@Magenta has been blowing her "natural man" horn for years.
And it was all an hoax. She literally had no idea of what she's talking about in that regard.

And what's worse, when when indisputable proof becomes unavoidably obvious, they shut it all down like a CIA psy-op.

Are the Calvinites honest hearted people sincerely seeking the Truth?
Not so you would notice. Because if they did there will be buckets of repentant tears, a doctrinal correction and heartfelt apologies.

That's how cults born BTW. Denial of biblical truth coupled with a bunker mentality.

 

[cv5]

Yes each faction that agrees lol gets along great with each other and reassures thier view

On the contrary the only view that gets my reassurance is the right one.
And it isn't that hard to find out which is which.

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved is NOT the same as:
It's impossible for anyone to believe and only the pre-birth lottery elect are saved.

 

[cv5]

Yes the environment here makes it hard to discuss things for sure a lot of immaturity and carnality judgement accusation ect

Well........the correct perspective is always Biblical is it not?
Now then, do any biblical writers apologize for false doctrine?

How about God Himself? Does He preferred to keep things on the straight and narrow doctrinally?

Therefore don't ask me to weep, grovel, apologize for and make frenemies with Greek Gnostics.
Nope. They need to be confronted directly and debunked. Without fail every single time.

 

[studier]

Yes each faction that agrees lol gets along great with each other and reassures thier view

Since there is one true view and there are many wrong views, aren't we stuck with factions?

 

[studier]

Yes the environment here makes it hard to discuss things for sure a lot of immaturity and carnality judgement accusation ect

Agree.

Well........the correct perspective is always Biblical is it not?
Now then, do any biblical writers apologize for false doctrine?

How about God Himself? Does He preferred to keep things on the straight and narrow doctrinally?

Agree.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Look for the godly fruits. The ones who do not display those are not grounded in Christ

 

[mailmandan]

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Since there is one true view and there are many wrong views, aren't we stuck with factions?

yeah false doctrine breeds factions and denominations . Division in other words and you know what the word says of a house divided .