Why do some people believe and some do not?
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This is true. There is NO pleasure in this. Lots of sadness and pleading and begging though.
I really want the Biblical facts to stand front and center and have everyone acknowledge the core tenets.
And BTW.....Church doctrine must COMPLEMENT the OT types, narratives and lessons.
Not ignore, deny, steamroll them.
I mean we have the entire saga of Israel as a witness for our purview today.
Is Calvinite-ism anywhere to be found?
Seriously. Anybody see a scintilla of similarity there?
I really want the Biblical facts to stand front and center and have everyone acknowledge the core tenets.
And BTW.....Church doctrine must COMPLEMENT the OT types, narratives and lessons.
Not ignore, deny, steamroll them.
I mean we have the entire saga of Israel as a witness for our purview today.
Is Calvinite-ism anywhere to be found?
Seriously. Anybody see a scintilla of similarity there?
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He want His Truth of salvation, and His plan of salvation to be "taken with the hand" aka received first of all.
The fruit comes afterward.
No truth......no fruit.
And how can bogus doctrine bear anything but bitter fruit? Never has never will.
1Co 2:12
Now we have received, G2983 , not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
The KJV translates Strong's G2983 in the following manner: receive (133x), take (106x), have (3x), caught (3x), not translated (1x), miscellaneous (17x).
Outline of Biblical Usage
1Co 2:14
But the "natural man" receiveth G1209 not G3756 the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
The KJV translates Strong's G1209 in the following manner: receive (52x), take (4x), accept (2x), take up (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
The fruit comes afterward.
No truth......no fruit.
And how can bogus doctrine bear anything but bitter fruit? Never has never will.
1Co 2:12
Now we have received, G2983 , not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
The KJV translates Strong's G2983 in the following manner: receive (133x), take (106x), have (3x), caught (3x), not translated (1x), miscellaneous (17x).
Outline of Biblical Usage
- to take
- to take with the hand, lay hold of, any person or thing in order to use it
- to take up a thing to be carried
- to take upon one's self
- to take with the hand, lay hold of, any person or thing in order to use it
1Co 2:14
But the "natural man" receiveth G1209 not G3756 the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
The KJV translates Strong's G1209 in the following manner: receive (52x), take (4x), accept (2x), take up (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
- to take with the hand
- to take hold of, take up
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Aaaannnd here is the OT "complement".
It doesn't get any more clear cut than this.
[2Ki 6:5 KJV]
But as one was felling a beam, the axe head fell into the water (invaluable item lost in Jordan river {the river symbolic of sin and death}): and he cried, and said, Alas, master! for it was borrowed.
[2Ki 6:6 KJV]
And the ***man of God*** said, Where fell it? And he shewed him the place. And he cut down a stick (Branch), and cast [it] in thither; and the iron did swim.
[2Ki 6:7 KJV]
Therefore said (COMMANDED) he (the Man of God aka the God-Man), ***Take [it] up to thee***. And he put out his hand, and took it.
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Jordan river. The river of sin and death. Begins at Adam and ends at the lake of fire.
This continuous flow HALTED by the Ark, the Ark is Christ.
Believing faithful obedient Israelites are symbolically buried in the river and resurrected on the other side in the promised land.
[Jos 3:15 KJV]
And as they that bare the ark were come unto Jordan, and the feet of the priests that bare the ark were dipped in the brim of the water, (for Jordan overfloweth all his banks all the time of harvest,)
[Jos 3:16 KJV]
That the waters which came down from above stood [and] rose up upon an heap very far from the city Adam, that [is] beside Zaretan: and those that came down toward the sea of the plain, [even] the salt sea, failed, [and] were cut off: and the people passed over right against Jericho.
[Jos 4:7 KJV]
Then ye shall answer them, That the waters of Jordan were cut off before the ark of the covenant of the LORD; when it passed over Jordan, the waters of Jordan were cut off: and these stones shall be for a memorial unto the children of Israel for ever.
[Jos 4:8 KJV]
And the children of Israel did so as Joshua commanded, and took up twelve stones out of the midst of Jordan, as the LORD spake unto Joshua, according to the number of the tribes of the children of Israel, and carried them over with them unto the place where they lodged, and laid them down there.
[Jos 4:9 KJV]
And Joshua set up twelve stones in the midst of Jordan, in the place where the feet of the priests which bare the ark of the covenant stood: and they are there unto this day.
It doesn't get any more clear cut than this.
[2Ki 6:5 KJV]
But as one was felling a beam, the axe head fell into the water (invaluable item lost in Jordan river {the river symbolic of sin and death}): and he cried, and said, Alas, master! for it was borrowed.
[2Ki 6:6 KJV]
And the ***man of God*** said, Where fell it? And he shewed him the place. And he cut down a stick (Branch), and cast [it] in thither; and the iron did swim.
[2Ki 6:7 KJV]
Therefore said (COMMANDED) he (the Man of God aka the God-Man), ***Take [it] up to thee***. And he put out his hand, and took it.
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Jordan river. The river of sin and death. Begins at Adam and ends at the lake of fire.
This continuous flow HALTED by the Ark, the Ark is Christ.
Believing faithful obedient Israelites are symbolically buried in the river and resurrected on the other side in the promised land.
[Jos 3:15 KJV]
And as they that bare the ark were come unto Jordan, and the feet of the priests that bare the ark were dipped in the brim of the water, (for Jordan overfloweth all his banks all the time of harvest,)
[Jos 3:16 KJV]
That the waters which came down from above stood [and] rose up upon an heap very far from the city Adam, that [is] beside Zaretan: and those that came down toward the sea of the plain, [even] the salt sea, failed, [and] were cut off: and the people passed over right against Jericho.
[Jos 4:7 KJV]
Then ye shall answer them, That the waters of Jordan were cut off before the ark of the covenant of the LORD; when it passed over Jordan, the waters of Jordan were cut off: and these stones shall be for a memorial unto the children of Israel for ever.
[Jos 4:8 KJV]
And the children of Israel did so as Joshua commanded, and took up twelve stones out of the midst of Jordan, as the LORD spake unto Joshua, according to the number of the tribes of the children of Israel, and carried them over with them unto the place where they lodged, and laid them down there.
[Jos 4:9 KJV]
And Joshua set up twelve stones in the midst of Jordan, in the place where the feet of the priests which bare the ark of the covenant stood: and they are there unto this day.
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
And I'm not in the weeds unless you were because I responded to the substance of your posts. And as usual, you avoid what someone actually asks of you. This is the demonstration of what fruit?
You still have a big problem. If someone does actually follow the command to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ they will indeed be saved. But how do you get the natural man who is carnal to obey a commandment when he is neither subject to the law nor can be?
And I'm not in the weeds unless you were because I responded to the substance of your posts. And as usual, you avoid what someone actually asks of you. This is the demonstration of what fruit?
You still have a big problem. If someone does actually follow the command to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ they will indeed be saved. But how do you get the natural man who is carnal to obey a commandment when he is neither subject to the law nor can be?
I would say that you have the problem where does scripture state that the natural man cannot respond affirmatively to the appeals of God through the power and His life giving words?
You state this is the natural man but you have yet to make that link to total inability to respond positively to the Gospel message with scripture.
Yes there is a missing link unless one applies eisegesis then all things are possible.
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If man can be irrational that means there is a possibility that he can be rational.
The Gospel is God appealing to mankind's rationality. After receiving and believing He appeals to our Spiritual life.
It's so simple. The Law is God appealing to our rationality, rational people follow the law all the time. The Gospel is the same appeal to mankind.
The Gospel is God appealing to mankind's rationality. After receiving and believing He appeals to our Spiritual life.
It's so simple. The Law is God appealing to our rationality, rational people follow the law all the time. The Gospel is the same appeal to mankind.
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And the accusation is love is a fruit and we are not "producing"it.And it is the calvies that are the very ones who are not "producing" it.
It's agape love. Unconditional, impersonal love for ALL of mankind. Christ died for ALL. It is equal privilege, equal opportunity for ALL.
The calvies are fruitless in this category.
It's agape love. Unconditional, impersonal love for ALL of mankind. Christ died for ALL. It is equal privilege, equal opportunity for ALL.
The calvies are fruitless in this category.
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As 1 Cor 2:14 clearly declares, the issue is WILL NOT. As in being UNWILLING to "take up" "take with the hand"
that which is FREELY OFFERED to all men.
Some men respond positively to the offer and CHOOSE Life, some turn down the offer and CHOOSE death.
Whoops there it is again. Strong's G2309 ***TO WILL***, ***TO DESIRE***
[Luk 19:27 KJV]
But those mine enemies, which would G2309 not G3361 that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before me.
The KJV translates Strong's G2309 in the following manner: will/would (159x), will/would have (16x), desire (13x), desirous (3x), list (3x), to will (2x), miscellaneous (4x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
that which is FREELY OFFERED to all men.
Some men respond positively to the offer and CHOOSE Life, some turn down the offer and CHOOSE death.
Whoops there it is again. Strong's G2309 ***TO WILL***, ***TO DESIRE***
[Luk 19:27 KJV]
But those mine enemies, which would G2309 not G3361 that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay [them] before me.
The KJV translates Strong's G2309 in the following manner: will/would (159x), will/would have (16x), desire (13x), desirous (3x), list (3x), to will (2x), miscellaneous (4x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
- to will, have in mind, intend
- to be resolved or determined, to purpose
- to desire, to wish
- to love
- to like to do a thing, be fond of doing
- to take delight in, have pleasure
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[Num 21:9 KJV]
And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.
So how many men are figuratively "bitten by the serpent"?
All of them. And the cure is available to "any man".
And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.
So how many men are figuratively "bitten by the serpent"?
All of them. And the cure is available to "any man".
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