Why do some people believe and some do not?

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cv5

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HeIsHere said:
If we look at the NT....the Prodigal was “DEAD/lost” then “alive/found” demonstrating that the term “DEAD” is idiomatic for “separated by rebellion” not “innate moral inability” (Luke 15:24).
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Great catch.

And this NARRATIVE aptly demonstrates that this "younger brother" possessed more than adequate situational awareness whereby he could PERCEIVE his degraded state, RECOGNIZE the error of his ways, and by an act of his FREE WILL (without coercion) set out to SEEK the Father's face.

Consequently the Father RESPONDS to the pensive cry of his son with abundant FORGIVENESS and full restoration. The breach and SEPARATION has been healed by the express FREE WILL of the Father.

So then @PennEd :
Does Calvinite-ism comport/conform to this foundational NARRATIVE? Or any other OT or NT biblical narrative for that matter?

I wonder if @ParticularWife @Rufus @brightfame52 @Magenta @Cameron143 would like to chime in?
 
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Cameron143 said:
That's the difference between His ministry and yours. He said He came for that. But He told you to love your enemies, bless those that curse, do good to them that hate you, and pray for those who persecute you...Matthew 5:44.
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Sooooo you are now confessing that you are the enemy of the true gospel?

Well......I suggest that you follow though and do what the younger son did.
 
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cv5 said:
Great catch.

And this NARRATIVE aptly demonstrates that this "younger brother" possessed more than adequate situational awareness whereby he could PERCEIVE his degraded state, RECOGNIZE the error of his ways, and by an act of his FREE WILL (without coercion) set out to SEEK the Father's face.

Consequently the Father RESPONDS to the pensive cry of his son with abundant FORGIVENESS and full restoration. The breach and SEPARATION has been healed by the express FREE WILL of the Father.

So then @PennEd :
Does Calvinite-ism comport/conform to this foundational NARRATIVE? Or any other OT or NT biblical narrative for that matter?

I wonder if @ParticularWife @Rufus @brightfame52 @Magenta @Cameron143 would like to chime in?
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Sure. Luke 15 is 3 part parable. It is designed to teach how the Godhead operates in the salvation of a sinner.

The first part speaks of Jesus who is the Shepherd who seeks out the sheep.
The second part speaks of the work of the Spirit who brings enlightenment and cleansing in the process of salvation.
The third part speaks of the Father who in drawing the son to Himself uses the circumstances of life to reveal to him his lowly estate and need of the Father's help.

Easy peasy. I just wonder why the whole parable wasn't explained to begin with. I thought you guys were big on context and exegesis.
 
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cv5 said:
Sooooo you are now confessing that you are the enemy of the true gospel?

Well......I suggest that you follow though and do what the younger son did.
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This is why I rarely engage with you. Grace and peace.
 
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@cv5

Great catch.

And this NARRATIVE aptly demonstrates that this "younger brother" possessed more than adequate situational awareness whereby he could PERCEIVE his degraded state, RECOGNIZE the error of his ways, and by an act of his FREE WILL (without coercion) set out to SEEK the Father's face.
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What you missing is the fact, that the younger brother is a picture/type on how God saves His elect children, when the young man came to his senses, thats evidence he was regenerated, made alive and granted repentance, its the result of the Death of Christ for His Sheep. Same thing with the Lost Sheep and coin
 
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brightfame52 said:
@cv5



What you missing is the fact, that the younger brother is a picture/type on how God saves His elect children, when the young man came to his senses, thats evidence he was regenerated, made alive and granted repentance, its the result of the Death of Christ for His Sheep. Same thing with the Lost Sheep and coin
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Failing to refute any element of my dissertation with your canned response is pretty much on par for the Calvinites.
 
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cv5 said:
This is true. There is NO pleasure in this. Lots of sadness and pleading and begging though.
I really want the Biblical facts to stand front and center and have everyone acknowledge the core tenets
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This is so true. There is a LOT at stake in this.

cv5 said:
The burning questions is:
Are Calvinites preaching a "different gospel"?

That is the biggest of big deals.
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It is literally a burning question.

Wood, hay and stubble. And SHAME.... for the believer. Lake of fire for unbelievers.

Getting His Gospel correct is imperative.It's astounding to witness His witness to the world get squashed over and over.
 
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Cameron143 said:
That's the difference between His ministry and yours. He said He came for that. But He told you to love your enemies,
bless those that curse, do good to them that hate you, and pray for those who persecute you...Matthew 5:44.
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Matthew 5:43-45 plus Ephesians 4:32
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Cameron143 said:
This is why I rarely engage with you. Grace and peace.
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What is evident is that to some here, having a real-life relationship with and knowing your father
is something they are more than comfortable equating with a guy who has no relationship with the
Father, a stony heart, and hostile-to-God mind. The lack of understanding on display is almost breath-taking.
 
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GWH said:
That is the key question! Why are some people more spiritually inclined? Why are some people chosen (in Christ) before the foundation of the world? Why do some people just love their sin and refuse to turn from it (cf. JN 3:19)?"

I agree that God's grace gives light to everyman but some refuse to humble themselves per TIT 2:11 & JN 1:9.

Jesus (in MT 13:14-15) and Paul (in ACTS 28:26-27) cited IS 6:9-10 as the answer to this question re atheism: "You will be ever hearing but never understanding... for this people's heart has become calloused." But WHY are some people calloused or hard-hearted or closed-minded to the Gospel of Christ that is meant for their salvation?
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Remember the answer of Jesus and Paul: Why some people are callous or refuse to believe the Gospel and be saved is a mystery God only knows.
 
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Calvignostics are not proclaiming another gospel; they have internalized false ideas from Augustine/Calvin that make them double-minded and hinder their understanding.
 
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