Why does God never answer any of my prayers?

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I cannot speak for someone I do not know. I can only say that Jesus gives us His joy. Depression will not be an issue when we have the joy of Jesus.

I have known spiritual people who have had all kinds of troubles. Usually because they were looking at the problem and not Jesus.

Jeremiah was called the weeping prophet because he knew the sadness of the Lord over the fall of His people. Read Lamentations.
He was also called the weeping prophet because he was in a constant state of depression until his death.
 

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So, what was Jeremiah? Jeremiah was in a constant state of depression until his death, and he was a PROPHET, a man of G-d. But, as you say, children of G-d aren't supposed to be like that - so what was he?
I don't believe that Jeremiah was depressed. I know that he felt the sorrow of the Lord for the destruction of His people.

Most of the time I am sad, not for myself, but for the general state of the church today, and what is to come to her in the future. I have the joy of the Lord Jesus, but I know His sadness about things. That is not depression. Depression is hopelessness. An all encompassing feeling that nothing is good, and that everything will be worse tomorrow, and that there is not one thing you can do about it. Our medical system makes a big deal over depression, and treat the symptoms, but they do not have the cure. Jesus is the cure.
 

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He was also called the weeping prophet because he was in a constant state of depression until his death.
I don't believe that, and I dont believe that this is the way he is portrayed in scripture. Yes, he got depressed upon occasion, but God did not coddle him. Again, read Lamentations. There is the answer to why Jeremiah was called the weeping prophet.
 
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Chemical imbalances in the brain - which is what causes depression - are natural. Demons are supernatural. That's the difference.
So you'll easily believe in a physical cause, but not a spiritual one?

Yes, I think Satan exists, but here's two fun facts about him, both supported in Scripture:

1) He has only as much power as you give him.
Exactly, supporting my view that those living disobeident lifestyles usually fall into mental illness/depression.


2) He cannot do ANYTHING without G-d's command or approval.

And as far as I'm aware, satan is still roaming about the earth looking to find who he can get depressed...then kill themself.
 
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So you'll easily believe in a physical cause, but not a spiritual one?
I do believe in spiritual causes, but they are very different from natural ones.

Exactly, supporting my view that those living disobeident lifestyles usually fall into mental illness/depression.
And those with a perfectly healthy walk with G-d - like my sister - do as well, which does not support your view.

And as far as I'm aware, satan is still roaming about the earth looking to find who he can get depressed...then kill themself.
Which he can only do if G-d allows him to.
 
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I don't believe that, and I dont believe that this is the way he is portrayed in scripture. Yes, he got depressed upon occasion, but God did not coddle him. Again, read Lamentations. There is the answer to why Jeremiah was called the weeping prophet.
Whether you believe it or not, it's a historical fact. Even biblical scholars agree that Jeremiah was in a constant state of depression.
 
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there are a multitude of causes of depression
but they come under 3 umbrellas
1 guilt
2 fear
3 ingratitude/discontent

Jesus died on the cross for #1 and #2

He is also the answer for #3

something like normal grieving should not be confused with depression
 
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And those with a perfectly healthy walk with G-d - like my sister - do as well, which does not support your view.
Quite a few scriptures deal with resisting the devil, so that he will flee. Yes there is such a thing as a spiritual attack. This goes with what you said before about things not being easy, and satan is not called the adversary for nothing. I do not consider anyone not overcoming the attacks of satan, or in depression, "healthy". That's downplaying the seriousness of the illness, which is what you are doing. A demon is one possible cause or underlying issue associated with depression. That's a simple fact if you talk to anyone involved in exorcism /deliverance ministries.
 
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ps. Casting a demon out, or off a person is one of the easiest things to do, even Jews can do it (thats a joke, c.f. sons of sceva), no seriously, anyone can use the name of Jesus. It's worth a try, for me it worked, and do it as often as necessary, and failure to do so, might be the reason why your prayers aren't working. Because prayer to God can't give a person B vitamins, neither can it cast out a demon which can only respond to a direct command in the name of Christ.
 
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Quite a few scriptures deal with resisting the devil, so that he will flee. Yes there is such a thing as a spiritual attack. This goes with what you said before about things not being easy, and satan is not called the adversary for nothing. I do not consider anyone not overcoming the attacks of satan, or in depression, "healthy". That's downplaying the seriousness of the illness, which is what you are doing. A demon is one possible cause or underlying issue associated with depression. That's a simple fact if you talk to anyone involved in exorcism /deliverance ministries.
The people involved in exorcism/deliverance missionaries are also the people who see evil spirits in every sneeze. Hardly credible.

1) The devil flees if you resist him because, as I said, he has only what power you give him. For you he appears to be some all-powerful being that controls the world and opposes G-d, so he has a lot of power over your life or you see him everywhere. Me, on the other hand, I think he's an impotent whiner who got his rear kicked by G-d and is nothing but G-d's slave. He has no power over me.

2) I've said it before, depression is perfectly natural and is caused by chemical imbalances in the brain. It's not a GOOD thing, and as I've ALSO said before it is a serious issue, but the fact that someone is depressed does NOT mean they're possessed by a demon.
 

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so you are telling me that if a person who is physically sick
insists on neglecting healthy eating it is God's responsibility to overrule and make him healthy anyhow
it is not just God's book; it is spiritual nourishment - too many spiritual anorexics on this site and in the church in general
We should not be like Job's friends who judged him unrighteously in his time of affliction. I don't believe that Greatkraw is doing this. He is merely offering a possible solution. Sometimes people are ill for reasons that can result in glory to God.

John 11: 3 So the sisters sent word to Jesus, "Lord, the one you love is sick." 4 When he heard this, Jesus said, "This sickness will not end in death. No, it is for God's glory so that God's Son may be glorified through it."

Perhaps this person will be healed by God, and glorify Him because of it. And others, seeing this, will believe. If it is God's will.

I agree that many are deficient in spiritual knowledge. But it may not be that they are neglecting their bibles, but that they are not reading it with the proper attitude. I read the bible through three times prior to just a few years ago, and got very little from it. It was when I decided to read it prayerfully, asking God for wisdom as I read, and really studying it, wanting to learn and have a relationship with Jesus , that God began to speak to me through His written word.

James 1: 2 Consider it pure joy, my brothers, whenever you face trials of many kinds, 3 because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance. 4 Perseverance must finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything. 5 If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him. 6 But when he asks, he must believe and not doubt, because he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. 7 That man should not think he will receive anything from the Lord; 8 he is a double-minded man, unstable in all he does.

 
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Some people aren't that good at resisting the devil either, thats why they get into trouble. If the demon overtakes their mind they need help. But sometimes you can do self-deliverance too. And you've contradicted yourself in the same paragraph. It's "perfectly natural" on the one hand (which begs the question, if perfectly natural, why do doctors prescribe meds?), but it's "not a good thing" on the other. Please make up your mind.
 
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chemical imbalance may be the effect of depresson; not the cause
 
Jan 22, 2010
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Some people aren't that good at resisting the devil either, thats why they get into trouble. If the demon overtakes their mind they need help. But sometimes you can do self-deliverance too. And you've contradicted yourself in the same paragraph. It's "perfectly natural" on the one hand (which begs the question, if perfectly natural, why do doctors prescribe meds?), but it's "not a good thing" on the other. Please make up your mind.
The two statements are not contradictory. It's perfectly natural for a grizzly bear to kill a human being in its territory, but that doesn't make it a good thing.

Furthermore, just because doctors prescribe medicines does not mean the illness is not natural. The flu is natural, but we take medicine to make it go away. Medicines are also made with natural cures.
 
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chemical imbalance may be the effect of depresson; not the cause
No...chemical imbalances in the brain cause depression. They are not the effect of depression.
 
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It's a good thing for the grizzly , survival of the fittest and all that.

Right ok, so Jesus healed a leper who had a "perfectly natural" disease. And he also healed a man who was "perfectly natural" being born blind. Of course if people want to stay depressed, then stay depressed. But Jesus only heals people who want to be healed. But I don't normally hear diseases or disorders referred to as "perfectly natural". the doctor says.. "don't worry ma'am you have a perfectly natural case of cancer". ..get what I mean?
 
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It's a good thing for the grizzly , survival of the fittest and all that.

Right ok, so Jesus healed a leper who had a "perfectly natural" disease. And he also healed a man who was "perfectly natural" being born blind. Of course if people want to stay depressed, then stay depressed. But Jesus only heals people who want to be healed. But I don't normally hear diseases or disorders referred to as "perfectly natural". the doctor says.. "don't worry ma'am you have a perfectly natural case of cancer". ..get what I mean?
So diseases and the like aren't perfectly natural because the doctor doesn't say so? Wow, you put a lot of thought into that rebuttal. Kudos.

As to Yeshua only healing people who want to be healed - G-d causes rain to fall on the righteous and the unrighteous alike.
 
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Only a sicko would say diseases are "perfectly natural". I think it's demeaning to people who suffer things like depression. I'm not stupid, I know that most of what constitutes physical matter around me has natural origins, and doesn't come from some strange metaphysical substance or alien planet.
 
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Only a sicko would say diseases are "perfectly natural". I think it's demeaning to people who suffer things like depression. I'm not stupid, I know that most of what constitutes physical matter around me has natural origins, and doesn't come from some strange metaphysical substance or alien planet.
Well then, every gorram doctor and psychologist that knows their field is a "sicko". I'm sorry it doesn't fit into your view that a demon is within every sneeze, but diseases ARE perfectly natural. They're not GOOD, but they're NATURAL.
 

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Whether you believe it or not, it's a historical fact. Even biblical scholars agree that Jeremiah was in a constant state of depression.
Well, we will just ask him when we see him.

Just because a bible scholar says something, does not make it true. In most cases, I tend to disbelieve bible scholars.