Why does the Christian not have a licence to sin?

[michael56]

Paul states:

Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone who believeth Rom 10:4

If a Christian is not made righteous/justified in God's sight by observing the law, they cannot be made unrighteous in God's sight by their failure to obey the law. That is not possible.

Why does this not give the Christian a licence to sin?

 

[royalscot]

Paul states:

Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone who believeth Rom 10:4

If a Christian is not made righteous/justified in God's sight by observing the law, they cannot be made unrighteous in God's sight by their failure to obey the law. That is not possible.

Why does this not give the Christian a licence to sin?

did law saved you, from the punishment of sin.
by believing in jesus saved you from the punishment.
1 Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.Romans 8

so in short who was the only one, to follow it perfectly. (jesus christ)

if god dose not bring condemnation, why are other bringing condemnation on each other.

why look at law for guidance in an action. when you never saved your self from your own punishment of your own sins or saved your self from death or the fear of death.

running a church and having rules of conduct in that church, and leadership in any church, is different to basic belief in jesus christ .

God's Steadfast Love and Compassion
18 Who is a God like you, pardoning iniquity
and passing over transgression
for the remnant of his inheritance?Micah 7
note, some christian s think the flock are theres and the work they do is extra points scored with god.
yet get the same thing eternal life.

 

[tribesman]

Isn't it a kind of wrong question to begin with? Why would a christian think that he has a license to sin? Why are some so afraid that "doing as you please" must mean doing what is evil and sinful? Should not the "doing as you please" for a christian be to do what is pleasing to God? Or is it so that christian freedom is a threat to some that see their erring religious system collapse if its people realized that we are to do good works out of gratitude because we are saved and not do them in order to hopefully become saved?

 

[tourist]

Isn't it a kind of wrong question to begin with? Why would a christian think that he has a license to sin? Why are some so afraid that "doing as you please" must mean doing what is evil and sinful? Should not the "doing as you please" for a christian be to do what is pleasing to God? Or is it so that christian freedom is a threat to some that see their erring religious system collapse if its people realized that we are to do good works out of gratitude because we are saved and not do them in order to hopefully become saved?

Good works are a manifestation of one's salvation in the shed blood of Jesus as that is what makes a Christian righteous in God's eyes. We now operate in love and not out of fear. This is freedom. We are in agreement in this regard. Good post.

 

[WebersHome]

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Paul states: Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone who
believeth Rom 10:4

Maybe some of your confusion can be resolved by first defining what is
meant by "the end" of the law.

Well; it doesn't mean the abolishment of the law because Paul also stated:
"Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the
contrary, we establish the law." (Rom 3:31)

The koinè Greek word for "end" is telos (tel'-os) which is a very ambiguous
word that means, primarily, the point aimed at; viz: a goal, the conclusion,
the result, and/or the ultimate purpose.

Well; according to Paul; the law's ultimate purpose is to slam people with a
curse.

"All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: Cursed
is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the book of
the law." (Gal 3:10)

According to Paul: Christ fulfilled the curse by becoming the curse.

"Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us,
for it is written: Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree." (Gal 3:13)

So then; you have a choice. You can either fulfill the law's curse yourself, or
you can opt to let Christ fulfill it for you. Either way; the law's end will be
accomplished.

The US Navy's SEAL school is an unusual school in that it's end is to
make men fail rather than pass. Ironically, the school doesn't want men to
pass; it wants them to fail; and does all in its power to make them fail. It
does nothing in its power to help them pass.

Well the law is like that. It's end is to make people fail rather than pass. It
does all in its power to make people fail and offers zero assistance to help
them pass. But unlike SEAL school, where some pass and some fail, the law
is far more rigorous: it allows nobody to pass; viz: the law breaks
everybody, no exceptions.

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[Sirk]

Paul said....Should I sin more that grace may abound........NEVER.

 

[michael56]

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Maybe some of your confusion can be resolved by first defining what is
meant by "the end" of the law.



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Hi
I am not confused, I specifically quoted Paul's words as to Christ being the end of the law, UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS. That is the sense in which the verse relates to.
So Why is it not a licence for the Christian to sin as Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness?

 

[Jeff_56]

confused, yes. true, no. christ is the end of the law unto righteousness only for those who are a new creation who by the gift of yahweh are loving and keeping the law of the spirit of life in christ jesus perfectly. simple.

all others are judged and die. they may go ahead and sin and break the law as much as they want. no one will save them. they will keep on getting and being more and more wicked every day until the end, and then they are judged .

 

[forsha]

Paul states:

Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone who believeth Rom 10:4

If a Christian is not made righteous/justified in God's sight by observing the law, they cannot be made unrighteous in God's sight by their failure to obey the law. That is not possible.

Why does this not give the Christian a licence to sin?

If you think that Jesus justified us because we obey the law you need to do some more searching. Christ, indeed, justifies those that God gave him, but it was not because of their obedience. Gal 2:16.

 

[michael56]

confused, yes. true, no. christ is the end of the law unto righteousness only for those who are a new creation who by the gift of yahweh are loving and keeping the law of the spirit of life in christ jesus perfectly. simple.

all others are judged and die. they may go ahead and sin and break the law as much as they want. no one will save them. they will keep on getting and being more and more wicked every day until the end, and then they are judged .

So the Christian has a righteousness before God of perfectly keeping the law of the spirit of life? I assume when they fail to perfectly keep the law of the spirit of life they lose their righteousness in God's sight until they repent, then this pattern is repeated whenever they fail to perfectly follow?

 

[michael56]

If you think that Jesus justified us because we obey the law you need to do some more searching. .

I don't believe that

 

[BradC]

It is clear that the glory of the law was to be done away by the glory that excels when we turn to the Lord. That glory that excels that of the law was the glory and ministration of righteousness that comes by faith through the Spirit. When we turn unto the Lord by faith, the liberty that we have in Christ is through the glory of the Spirit which has done away (or annulled) the glory of the law. The glory of the law has been done away by the glory that excels it and we have that glory when we turn to Christ. This is how the law (the first) is established when the first was taken away by the glory (of the second) which excels and is greater, that the second might be established one and for all (Heb 10:9). Now read (Heb 10:1-4) and the following passage and they are speaking of the cure of the law but rather of the death and condemnation of it...

2 Cor 3:7-18

6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.
16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

 

[dcontroversal]

Paul said....Should I sin more that grace may abound........NEVER.

He also said that when he goes to do good that he finds a law that SIN is present with him and He also had a problem doing the things he said he would NOT do and not doing the things he said he would do......

He goes from the least of the apostles to the least of the saints to the number one chief sinner in his own eyes as his life progressed...the truth is...the more time you spend with Christ the more vile you see yourself in the flesh........unless you are a Pharisee and believe your works and righteousness saves you, helps keep you saved or has bearing on your salvation!

 

[senzi]

Hi
The Christian does not have a licence to sin, although they have no righteousness before God of obeying the law. This is because they are born again of the Holy Spirit when they come to Christ. The law God wants them to keep is placed in their heart, meaning they in their heart want to obey God. You cannot in your heart want to obey God and at the same time wilfully, without conscience disobey. You can fail, but when you do you will have no rest or peace until you bow the knee with a contrite spirit, for the law within you will give you no peace when you follow the flesh rather than the spirit.

 

[michael56]

Hi
The Christian does not have a licence to sin, although they have no righteousness before God of obeying the law. This is because they are born again of the Holy Spirit when they come to Christ. The law God wants them to keep is placed in their heart, meaning they in their heart want to obey God. You cannot in your heart want to obey God and at the same time wilfully, without conscience disobey. You can fail, but when you do you will have no rest or peace until you bow the knee with a contrite spirit, for the law within you will give you no peace when you follow the flesh rather than the spirit.

Hi Senzi
Welcome to Christian chat. I agree with you. God was not stupid was he. He didn't make a covenant, whereby anyone could have a licence to sin, by them having no righteousness before him of observing the law
God Bless

 

[Jeff_56]

yet paul got to the point in christ's light that he was able to say that he knew of nothing at all inside him against yahweh.

he admitted that that did not absolve him, as yahweh is final total judge; but he was at the point that there was nothing at all in his memory or spirit or mind or consciousness that was opposed to or against yahweh's torah....

that is the goal for everyone who is a new creation in yahshua hamashiach.

only yahweh can accomplish the doing of this,

but it does get done, yahweh willing, in those he calls and choses to be his own sons.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Paul states:

Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone who believeth Rom 10:4

If a Christian is not made righteous/justified in God's sight by observing the law, they cannot be made unrighteous in God's sight by their failure to obey the law. That is not possible.

Why does this not give the Christian a licence to sin?

These type of questions lead to a debate on between those who believe one can not lose to those who believe on can lose salvation/eternal life. As Paul constantly warns believers over and over again in his epistles that a person who considers themselves a believer in Christ can not continue to live in willful sins or return to live in willful sins and still have eternal life. Paul makes it very clear that if you continue or return to living in willful unrepented/unconfessed sins then those sins are you master and not the Lord. This goes hand and hand with what Jesus said that you can not serve two masters, either He is your master leading you to eternal life, or that sin/s is your master leading you to spiritual death.
If you give into sins and let them control your life, and do not repent and confess them then they will lead you to the second death of the spirit. Remember James is saying this to believers;

[h=1]James 1:14-15[/h]14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.

 

[Sirk]

These type of questions lead to a debate on between those who believe one can not lose to those who believe on can lose salvation/eternal life. As Paul constantly warns believers over and over again in his epistles that a person who considers themselves a believer in Christ can not continue to live in willful sins or return to live in willful sins and still have eternal life. Paul makes it very clear that if you continue or return to living in willful unrepented/unconfessed sins then those sins are you master and not the Lord. This goes hand and hand with what Jesus said that you can not serve two masters, either He is your master leading you to eternal life, or that sin/s is your master leading you to spiritual death.
If you give into sins and let them control your life, and do not repent and confess them then they will lead you to the second death of the spirit. Remember James is saying this to believers;

James 1:14-15

14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.

And the debate is so fruitless. We are are called to holiness and we strive to live our lives as living sacrifices....killing the desires of flesh thru relationship with jesus. Whether or not you can lose your salvation is a personal issue between you and jesus.

 

[WebersHome]

I am not confused

Your reaction is understandable. Nobody likes to be thought of as mixed up.

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[WebersHome]

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Yhvh's people are under contract with God as per the old covenant; while
Christ's people are under contract with God as per the new covenant.

Well; the old covenant contractually obligates God to slam Yhvh's people for
breaches of their covenant with any number of the curses stipulated at
Ex 34:6-7, Lev 26:3-38, Deut 27:15-26, and Deut 28:1-69; while the new
covenant stipulates no curses with which God is contractually obligated to
slam Christ's people for breaches of their covenant. Seeing as how Christ's
people have no curses to fear; then in a manner of speaking, yes, Christ's
people do have a license to sin.

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