Why does the Christian not have a licence to sin?
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If all sin is not the same, why did it take the shed blood of Christ to pay for sin?
Why not do a little penance for a small sin?
Hmmm, drifting into the territory of venial and mortal sin here?
Why not do a little penance for a small sin?
Hmmm, drifting into the territory of venial and mortal sin here?
Jesus answered, “You would have no power over me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed me over to you is guilty of a greater sin. John 19:11
Oh and the lesser sin does not require blood to pay for it? There are sins that a few hail Mary's and some laps around the beads are assuaged?
Do you honestly believe that what you call a lesser sin does not require Christ's blood to pay for it?
The penalty for ANY sin is DEATH.
The penalty for ANY sin is DEATH.
T
Nice wording but the Bible says that sin is an action...
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Lets add verses 5-8 and then you get why John wrote verse 4:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
and verses 5-8 say it is a choice.....better read all of this just not what you want to stand on....
Gen 3, 2 Peter 1.1-11, James 1.13-16, 2 John 2.14-17....all prove to us that SIN is a choice and not out of our control and just is an action that happens.
SIN is a choice not an action. Eve could have resisted the temptation, but chose to eat....as did Adam....
SIN consciousness doctrine keeps men in false humility and bound, without revelation knowledge they are the righteousness of God in Christ, and that there are made righteous as a position, based on God's grace and what Jesus did on the cross and nothing more.
Obeying the law wont save you.
Stop taking a vers our of context....
Lets add verses 5-8 and then you get why John wrote verse 4:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
and verses 5-8 say it is a choice.....better read all of this just not what you want to stand on....
Gen 3, 2 Peter 1.1-11, James 1.13-16, 2 John 2.14-17....all prove to us that SIN is a choice and not out of our control and just is an action that happens.
SIN is a choice not an action. Eve could have resisted the temptation, but chose to eat....as did Adam....
SIN consciousness doctrine keeps men in false humility and bound, without revelation knowledge they are the righteousness of God in Christ, and that there are made righteous as a position, based on God's grace and what Jesus did on the cross and nothing more.
Obeying the law wont save you.
Lets add verses 5-8 and then you get why John wrote verse 4:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
and verses 5-8 say it is a choice.....better read all of this just not what you want to stand on....
Gen 3, 2 Peter 1.1-11, James 1.13-16, 2 John 2.14-17....all prove to us that SIN is a choice and not out of our control and just is an action that happens.
SIN is a choice not an action. Eve could have resisted the temptation, but chose to eat....as did Adam....
SIN consciousness doctrine keeps men in false humility and bound, without revelation knowledge they are the righteousness of God in Christ, and that there are made righteous as a position, based on God's grace and what Jesus did on the cross and nothing more.
Obeying the law wont save you.
And where in this did I say we are justified by Law?
T
What do you mean out of context? Is there a context that says sin is not the transgression of the Law?
And where in this did I say we are justified by Law?
And where in this did I say we are justified by Law?
Your whole theology and posts proves that you believe you are justified by the Law...
If all sin is the same in God's eyes, why were their different punishments for different sins under the old covenant. Why did some sins result in graver punishments than others?
I think you have to use spiritual discernment with your first question. For instance, in rom 7:14 Paul says he is sold as aslave to sin yet in the preceeding chapter verse 16 he says if you are a slave to sin this leads to death
I think you have to use spiritual discernment with your first question. For instance, in rom 7:14 Paul says he is sold as aslave to sin yet in the preceeding chapter verse 16 he says if you are a slave to sin this leads to death
And you believe Paul is slave of sin.
And you believe sin lead to death.
But I bed you don't believe Paul death/go to hell.
Can you explain why?
Paul states:
Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone who believeth Rom 10:4
If a Christian is not made righteous/justified in God's sight by observing the law, they cannot be made unrighteous in God's sight by their failure to obey the law. That is not possible.
Why does this not give the Christian a licence to sin?
Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone who believeth Rom 10:4
If a Christian is not made righteous/justified in God's sight by observing the law, they cannot be made unrighteous in God's sight by their failure to obey the law. That is not possible.
Why does this not give the Christian a licence to sin?
Faith that works by love (Gal 5:6) upholds and establishes the righteousness of the law (Rom 3:31, Rom 8:4).
Those who teach that Rom 10:4 means that the bar was lowered are in error.
Paul states:
Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone who believeth Rom 10:4
If a Christian is not made righteous/justified in God's sight by observing the law, they cannot be made unrighteous in God's sight by their failure to obey the law. That is not possible.
Why does this not give the Christian a licence to sin?
Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness for everyone who believeth Rom 10:4
If a Christian is not made righteous/justified in God's sight by observing the law, they cannot be made unrighteous in God's sight by their failure to obey the law. That is not possible.
Why does this not give the Christian a licence to sin?
you said:"a Christian is not made righteous/justified in God's sight by observing the law" this is correct.
"they cannot be made unrighteous in God's sight by their failure to obey the law." this is wrong and a false conclusion.
let me illustrate.
I am speeding down a road and a cop pulls me over. He tells me I have been speeding and thus breaking the law. He then proceeds to begin to write me a ticket.
I beg the officer to have mercy and admit my wrong and that I am guilty. The officer stops writing as says, "I will let you off this time, I will take your fine and throw it away as if you never broke the law."
I thank the officer and I am very grateful for his mercy and Grace towards me. In response to that Grace I obey the speed limit.
But lets say I don't and I go off and speed again right in front of the officer? the light s come on again and I pull over down the road and the officer says, " what are you doing I just let you off and you speed again"?
And I say Yes officer, you forgave me now I can't be in trouble for breaking the law. Do you thing the officer will take that reasoning?
no way.
Point, was I given grace when I was breaking the law? Yes.
Did that Grace mean I could not break that same law without consequences? no
Grace does not make sin ok as it is written:
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Sin is breaking the law, 1 John 3:4, Romans 7:7
so then lets look at these two verses with that in mind.
what shall we say then? shall we continue to break the law, that grace may abound?
God forbid. How shall we, who are freed from breaking the law, live any longer breaking the law?
We are indeed made righteous/justified by grace through faith and not of works of the law.
but how can one be made righteous without being righteous? as it is written:
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
and what is righteousness?
according to this text it is not sinning/not breaking the law. because:
1Jn 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin...
unrighteousness is sin/breaking the law
therefore righteousness is not sin/not breaking the law.
so the reality is we are not saved by keeping the law, but we will be lost by not keeping it.
hmmm.... listen to men, or to God ? SIN , or don't sin ? that is the question. as for me and my house, we shall listen to God.
"1 John 5 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
5 Everyone who believes that Yeshua is the Messiah has God as his father, and everyone who loves a father loves his offspring too. 2 Here is how we know that we love God’s children: when we love God, we also do what he commands.
3 For loving God means obeying his commands.
Moreover, his commands are not burdensome, 4 because everything which has God as its Father overcomes the world."
oh, wait --- forgetting the law, forgetting "what God commands" for just moment to read this
(as their is sin even if there is NO LAW, and before there ever was LAW !!!!! (or did everybody who loves to sin) conveniently forget God's Word ???? >>>>
[SUP]18 [/SUP]We know that everyone who has God as his Father does not go on sinning; on the contrary, the Son born of God protects him, and the Evil One does not touch him.
(instead of reposting this in other threads, note that this includes not sinning sexually - the Father does not have any children who are homosexual perverts or child molestors, as well as He has no children who are idolators, or who are greedy, or who are selfish..... nor thieves, nor adulterers, nor covetous..... )
"1 John 5 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB)
5 Everyone who believes that Yeshua is the Messiah has God as his father, and everyone who loves a father loves his offspring too. 2 Here is how we know that we love God’s children: when we love God, we also do what he commands.
3 For loving God means obeying his commands.
Moreover, his commands are not burdensome, 4 because everything which has God as its Father overcomes the world."
oh, wait --- forgetting the law, forgetting "what God commands" for just moment to read this
(as their is sin even if there is NO LAW, and before there ever was LAW !!!!! (or did everybody who loves to sin) conveniently forget God's Word ???? >>>>
[SUP]18 [/SUP]We know that everyone who has God as his Father does not go on sinning; on the contrary, the Son born of God protects him, and the Evil One does not touch him.
(instead of reposting this in other threads, note that this includes not sinning sexually - the Father does not have any children who are homosexual perverts or child molestors, as well as He has no children who are idolators, or who are greedy, or who are selfish..... nor thieves, nor adulterers, nor covetous..... )
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your reasoning is flawed.
you said:"a Christian is not made righteous/justified in God's sight by observing the law" this is correct.
"they cannot be made unrighteous in God's sight by their failure to obey the law." this is wrong and a false conclusion.
let me illustrate.
I am speeding down a road and a cop pulls me over. He tells me I have been speeding and thus breaking the law. He then proceeds to begin to write me a ticket.
I beg the officer to have mercy and admit my wrong and that I am guilty. The officer stops writing as says, "I will let you off this time, I will take your fine and throw it away as if you never broke the law."
I thank the officer and I am very grateful for his mercy and Grace towards me. In response to that Grace I obey the speed limit.
But lets say I don't and I go off and speed again right in front of the officer? the light s come on again and I pull over down the road and the officer says, " what are you doing I just let you off and you speed again"?
And I say Yes officer, you forgave me now I can't be in trouble for breaking the law. Do you thing the officer will take that reasoning?
no way.
Point, was I given grace when I was breaking the law? Yes.
Did that Grace mean I could not break that same law without consequences? no
Grace does not make sin ok as it is written:
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Sin is breaking the law, 1 John 3:4, Romans 7:7
so then lets look at these two verses with that in mind.
what shall we say then? shall we continue to break the law, that grace may abound?
God forbid. How shall we, who are freed from breaking the law, live any longer breaking the law?
We are indeed made righteous/justified by grace through faith and not of works of the law.
but how can one be made righteous without being righteous? as it is written:
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
and what is righteousness?
according to this text it is not sinning/not breaking the law. because:
1Jn 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin...
unrighteousness is sin/breaking the law
therefore righteousness is not sin/not breaking the law.
so the reality is we are not saved by keeping the law, but we will be lost by not keeping it.
you said:"a Christian is not made righteous/justified in God's sight by observing the law" this is correct.
"they cannot be made unrighteous in God's sight by their failure to obey the law." this is wrong and a false conclusion.
let me illustrate.
I am speeding down a road and a cop pulls me over. He tells me I have been speeding and thus breaking the law. He then proceeds to begin to write me a ticket.
I beg the officer to have mercy and admit my wrong and that I am guilty. The officer stops writing as says, "I will let you off this time, I will take your fine and throw it away as if you never broke the law."
I thank the officer and I am very grateful for his mercy and Grace towards me. In response to that Grace I obey the speed limit.
But lets say I don't and I go off and speed again right in front of the officer? the light s come on again and I pull over down the road and the officer says, " what are you doing I just let you off and you speed again"?
And I say Yes officer, you forgave me now I can't be in trouble for breaking the law. Do you thing the officer will take that reasoning?
no way.
Point, was I given grace when I was breaking the law? Yes.
Did that Grace mean I could not break that same law without consequences? no
Grace does not make sin ok as it is written:
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Sin is breaking the law, 1 John 3:4, Romans 7:7
so then lets look at these two verses with that in mind.
what shall we say then? shall we continue to break the law, that grace may abound?
God forbid. How shall we, who are freed from breaking the law, live any longer breaking the law?
We are indeed made righteous/justified by grace through faith and not of works of the law.
but how can one be made righteous without being righteous? as it is written:
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
and what is righteousness?
according to this text it is not sinning/not breaking the law. because:
1Jn 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin...
unrighteousness is sin/breaking the law
therefore righteousness is not sin/not breaking the law.
so the reality is we are not saved by keeping the law, but we will be lost by not keeping it.
The problem with his and your reasoning is this. Unless someone keeps the law once they are saved they cannot remain saved. Sounds good doesn't it. But in effect it means. 'Unless you can observe the law you cannot be a Christian. That places you firmly under a law of righteousness before God
Truth is, it is only when a person knows they cannot be made unrighteous in God's sight for their faliures to obey the law that sin begins to lose its power in their life.
So many go to church today. They think because they in effect obey some legalistic laws they will be ok. It is delusion.
your reasoning is flawed.
you said:"a Christian is not made righteous/justified in God's sight by observing the law" this is correct.
"they cannot be made unrighteous in God's sight by their failure to obey the law." this is wrong and a false conclusion.
let me illustrate.
you said:"a Christian is not made righteous/justified in God's sight by observing the law" this is correct.
"they cannot be made unrighteous in God's sight by their failure to obey the law." this is wrong and a false conclusion.
let me illustrate.
But though some do believe it has happened they do not understand what it means in reality for the born again Christian
B
For those of you that are bent on obeying Christ's commandments as a signature statement of following after righteousness, please give a specific real life NT example of the believer obeying a commandment given in the NT that does not relate to a sin of the flesh. I also have a question or two. When obeying the commandments given in the NT, are we to obey all of them or just some of them selectively? Can we omit certain commandments that Christ gave, including those given to his disciples, or are we to love God and obey all the commandments? If we do not obey all the commandments by putting them into action by faith, would that be considered omitting what we have been commanded to do under grace in the NT and not loving God the way that we should? Are we to be driven to obey his commandments to reveal that we love God or are we lead of the Spirit to obey because we are filled up and motivated with the love of God by that same Spirit? Is our faith only duty bound to keep the commandments or is our faith energized by love to do those things that are pleasing in His sight?
You need to put away the head theology here. Was King David perfect before he sinned with Bathsheeba and caused Uriah's death? No! Did he suffer for his previous sins as he did for those? No! Therefore God did not consider all David's sins equal did he.
Heb 2:2 For if the word spoken by angels was stedfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompence of reward;
Just because all the results of David's sins were not recorded, doesn't mean they didn't happen.
"If a tree falls in the forest..."