Why I believe the Great Tribulation started in 70 A.D.

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GaryA

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Early on in revelation the martyrs cry out "when will you avenge us" they were confined to a area under the altar.
Then they are told to wait because their number was/is not complete.

Right after that we see millions/billions (innumerable number) NOT UNDER THE ALTAR but before the throne.(killed in the gt)
Meaning their number is complete.

As IAMSOANDSO pointed out ,no mark,and no jews worshipping ac equals no gt.....it is future.
I believe:

The souls under the altar are the martyrs from the Dark Ages.

The ones they are waiting for/on are those who are killed for not worshipping the beast.

BOTH groups are "tribulation saints"...
 

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Right after that we see millions/billions (innumerable number) NOT UNDER THE ALTAR but before the throne.(killed in the gt)
Meaning their number is complete.
Surely you don't think that the souls are still under the altar at this point...?

After all - their number is complete - right?

Consider that the great number before the throne - which came out of great tribulation - includes the souls that were under the altar.
 
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Ist century history offers some interesting forshawdow events of the real end of this age. But the possibility of 1st century fulfillment of Bible prophecy ended when the book of Revelation was given. Before the Revelation it was very possible.
 
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I believe:

The souls under the altar are the martyrs from the Dark Ages.

The ones they are waiting for/on are those who are killed for not worshipping the beast.

BOTH groups are "tribulation saints"...
The alter is the table Christ’s body lay on in the tomb. Those under the alter were those literally under the alter, under the earth in Abraham’s bosom.

White robes (righteousness of Christ) were given to them.

You’re literally getting a view of Abraham’s bosom just prior to the resurrection of Christ.

Nobody here will receive this so no need to respond and derail y’alls discussion. :)
 

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The alter is the table Christ’s body lay on in the tomb. Those under the alter were those literally under the alter, under the earth in Abraham’s bosom.

White robes (righteousness of Christ) were given to them.

You’re literally getting a view of Abraham’s bosom just prior to the resurrection of Christ.

Nobody here will receive this so no need to respond and derail y’alls discussion. :)
How does "killed as they were" fit into all of that...?
 

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I believe:

The souls under the altar are the martyrs from the Dark Ages.

The ones they are waiting for/on are those who are killed for not worshipping the beast.

BOTH groups are "tribulation saints"...
Who do you think persecuted Christians during what your calling the dark ages? It’s my understanding the dark ages began with the fall of Rome
 
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How does "killed as they were" fit into all of that...?
Well righteous Able was one of them and below are several more.

1Ki 19:14 (KJV) And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: because the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away.

Here’s another picture of the 5th seal.

Zec 3:2 (KJV) And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?
Zec 3:4 (KJV) And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.
 

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Huh I didn’t know that in the France revolution By July 1796, the estimated dead in the vendee region numbered between 117,000 and 500,000, out of a population of around 800,000
 
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Who do you think persecuted Christians during what your calling the dark ages?
The Holy Roman Empire.

It’s my understanding the dark ages began with the fall of Rome
The "fall of Rome" was really Rome changing form. Look above to see what it changed into...
 

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Surely you don't think that the souls are still under the altar at this point...?

After all - their number is complete - right?

Consider that the great number before the throne - which came out of great tribulation - includes the souls that were under the altar.
They are no longer under the altar.
 

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I believe:

The souls under the altar are the martyrs from the Dark Ages.

The ones they are waiting for/on are those who are killed for not worshipping the beast.

BOTH groups are "tribulation saints"...
Widen that.
Lots of believers were martyred way before then
 

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The alter is the table Christ’s body lay on in the tomb. Those under the alter were those literally under the alter, under the earth in Abraham’s bosom.

White robes (righteousness of Christ) were given to them.

You’re literally getting a view of Abraham’s bosom just prior to the resurrection of Christ.

Nobody here will receive this so no need to respond and derail y’alls discussion. :)
No
The scene is is heaven.
That idea of Christs tomb being an altar has no biblical continuity
 
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When the great tribulation occurs the church will be absent. The great tribulation is an even focused on Israel. If you are here to witness the event first hand you are in great peril. It will be a time far worse than anything ever endured by mankind.

For the cause of Christ
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One could say that great tribulation started for the nation of Israel then, but actually it was the dispersion that happened for them that was prophesied to happen.

Funny how the church seems to block out Israel as if it would never rise again. But it’s here! So wherever in the time period that Israel rises again? That’s where we are. The last of the last days, when the fulfillment of the Gentiles is completed. And the world turns attention to Jerusalem.

I don’t know much about the happenings now but I do know this.
After the pretrib rapture the ac is actually empowered to kill christians.
And all refusing the mark die.
Those staying behind are the shut out virgins in mat 25
Iow,for some,it will be the first time they had to stand for anything.
And they will die for their beliefs.