Why I keep the Sabbath FYI.
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Semantics. Scripture doesn't state that the Lord bathed but we can probably assume He did, right?
Why would Adam and Eve be different than any other fallen of mankind?
Granted that God made them coats of skins in the original offense, but that doesn't mean that they lived the rest of their lives without offering up sacrifice.
The fact that it was expected of their children points to this.
Again...where did Abel learn what to offer?
The answer is...God told him. Whether He told him directly or through his parents is irrelevant.
Vicarious death is simply the consistent theme in Scripture, and it is a detraction from the Word of God to impose an Age or Era where there was no remission of sins, because if that were the case...mankind would have ceased to exist.
And that is the last post to you (in this thread), lol, until you can summon the courage to answer the question...
...did an animal or animals die or did God simply create those skins?
God bless.
Why would Adam and Eve be different than any other fallen of mankind?
Granted that God made them coats of skins in the original offense, but that doesn't mean that they lived the rest of their lives without offering up sacrifice.
The fact that it was expected of their children points to this.
Again...where did Abel learn what to offer?
The answer is...God told him. Whether He told him directly or through his parents is irrelevant.
Vicarious death is simply the consistent theme in Scripture, and it is a detraction from the Word of God to impose an Age or Era where there was no remission of sins, because if that were the case...mankind would have ceased to exist.
And that is the last post to you (in this thread), lol, until you can summon the courage to answer the question...
...did an animal or animals die or did God simply create those skins?
God bless.
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God provided the sacrifice required, just like He has for the rest of fallen humanity. Why you feel a need to pretend otherwise is beyond me. Why you want to pretend that God's Word said something it does not is beyond me. You are promoting a falsehood.
God bless.
The half truth you promote is that you agree it points forward to Jesus but then say they had to make the sacrifice when God's Word plainly states that God provided the covering. Any Christian should be in agreement with that. If you disagree with the fact that God has provided our propitiatory payment for sin, I doubt you could call yourself a Christian, so it is no small matter.
I don't know if I would want to necessarily jump to that conclusion concerning people who insist all must observe a Saturday sabbath
Do you think it is possible that many, do not look to the Holy Spirit for guidance, the inner conviction he wants to bring, but rather rely on the written code?
I would sincerely like your view on that.
Do you think it is possible that many, do not look to the Holy Spirit for guidance, the inner conviction he wants to bring, but rather rely on the written code?
I would sincerely like your view on that.
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Well anyone that can read the New Testament (covenant) should be able to see the truth of what is written and be able to rightly divide between the two covenants.. I think its the lack of honest intention to look at what is written that puts these Sabbath folks into the category that seems to deny the New Covenant at the very core of its doctrine.
I would have to draw a distinction myself between Sabbath observers who do not try and insist all observe a set Sabbath day and those who do, for that is in line with what Paul wrote in Rom 14.
For those who insist you must obey it, if I am honest, I just don't feel a oneness with them at all in the faith, it is like something that should be there is missing, and it seems unbridgeable
However, I have never judged anyone to not be a Christian who says they are one. Maybe some believe Christians should at times do that, it is something I have always refused to do
For those who insist you must obey it, if I am honest, I just don't feel a oneness with them at all in the faith, it is like something that should be there is missing, and it seems unbridgeable
However, I have never judged anyone to not be a Christian who says they are one. Maybe some believe Christians should at times do that, it is something I have always refused to do
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What you have said here sounds great and has the appearance of sound reasoning, but you have missed something.
The commandment itself which acts as a reminder stipulates that it was a "day", now There is the possibility that this word can be used to mean a longer time but the context gets rid of that possibility.
The whole point of the commandment which you have missed is that it is a reminder that the 7th day is Holy. as seen here:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
The commandment does not say, I make it holy now. It says that it was made Holy at creation:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Where your error seems to be is in your reading of the commandment itself. You seem to think and correct me if I am wrong. But you seem to think the 7th day became Holy at the giving of the commandment or some time close.
But the text is not an establishment but a reminder hence the word "Remember" and the stating at the end of the commandment that it was made Holy on the 7th day of creation.
There is no question here that the 7th day was also considered a day not a period of time ending or unending. You have to ignore the text to come to that.
It is in fact the commandment that solidifies that Creation took 6 literal days not 6 periods of time. It also eliminates the gap theory.
You also call it a shadow clearly ignoring its origin and purpose given by God himself. My original OP deals with this already.
SO with respect I have to disagree with your opinion on this matter. I say opinion because you did not use scripture as I did for my position on this. And the scripture clearly debunks this Idea you have given.
The commandment itself which acts as a reminder stipulates that it was a "day", now There is the possibility that this word can be used to mean a longer time but the context gets rid of that possibility.
The whole point of the commandment which you have missed is that it is a reminder that the 7th day is Holy. as seen here:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
The commandment does not say, I make it holy now. It says that it was made Holy at creation:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Where your error seems to be is in your reading of the commandment itself. You seem to think and correct me if I am wrong. But you seem to think the 7th day became Holy at the giving of the commandment or some time close.
But the text is not an establishment but a reminder hence the word "Remember" and the stating at the end of the commandment that it was made Holy on the 7th day of creation.
There is no question here that the 7th day was also considered a day not a period of time ending or unending. You have to ignore the text to come to that.
It is in fact the commandment that solidifies that Creation took 6 literal days not 6 periods of time. It also eliminates the gap theory.
You also call it a shadow clearly ignoring its origin and purpose given by God himself. My original OP deals with this already.
SO with respect I have to disagree with your opinion on this matter. I say opinion because you did not use scripture as I did for my position on this. And the scripture clearly debunks this Idea you have given.
One thing that is not always taken into consideration about Sabbath-keepers is that keeping the Sabbath and being under the New Covenant don't have to be mutually exclusive.
I am saved by grace through faith in my Savior who died in my place. Because of that sacrifice, I am made clean before Him and my sin is forgiven. His Spirit dwells in me and leads me to live how God sees fit. (For the sake of this post, this is a very basic understanding of the New Covenant.)
But God has called us to be His children, bride. priests, ambassadors, apostles, messengers, etc. We live a life by His leading to further His Kingdom. As a response to the grace shown me, I want every part of my life to be honoring to Him. Me keeping the Sabbath as a weekly rest does not impede or nullify that grace . If I were keeping the Sabbath as a means to impress God or seek favor or justification, then I would be out of order (and some folks do that.) My obedience to any other aspect of the Law is similar. I am under no curse of the Law because of my Savior, so even if I keep it imperfectly, I am not punished. What the Sabbath and other aspects of the Law does is show me practical ways to live a life worthy of the calling given to me. I believe these commands are valid and still applicable for all Christians, just in proper relationship to grace.
While there are some who use the Law inappropriately, not all do. And again, the 2 don't have to be mutually exclusive.
I am saved by grace through faith in my Savior who died in my place. Because of that sacrifice, I am made clean before Him and my sin is forgiven. His Spirit dwells in me and leads me to live how God sees fit. (For the sake of this post, this is a very basic understanding of the New Covenant.)
But God has called us to be His children, bride. priests, ambassadors, apostles, messengers, etc. We live a life by His leading to further His Kingdom. As a response to the grace shown me, I want every part of my life to be honoring to Him. Me keeping the Sabbath as a weekly rest does not impede or nullify that grace . If I were keeping the Sabbath as a means to impress God or seek favor or justification, then I would be out of order (and some folks do that.) My obedience to any other aspect of the Law is similar. I am under no curse of the Law because of my Savior, so even if I keep it imperfectly, I am not punished. What the Sabbath and other aspects of the Law does is show me practical ways to live a life worthy of the calling given to me. I believe these commands are valid and still applicable for all Christians, just in proper relationship to grace.
While there are some who use the Law inappropriately, not all do. And again, the 2 don't have to be mutually exclusive.
By the way as for the foreshadowing of Jesus you forget that all 10 commandments sit in this same place. The 10 begin with:
Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
So they are all within this context. It should also be noted that they were given Before or after they were saved from bondage?
After.
Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
So they are all within this context. It should also be noted that they were given Before or after they were saved from bondage?
After.