Why I keep the Sabbath FYI.
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Thank God for the forgiveness we have found in Christ 
I did not say you were wrong, but just that as Christians, some observe things differently. Certainly there have been more grievous errors made on this thread. I am sorry if the rest of my post came across as being harsh; it was more a pointing to the fact that the contentions here can get very heated. It was not meant as a criticism, but a caution. I forgive you... Please forgive me! I really appreciate it when people can just state their position. Please pray for me, and I shall pray for you.
I did not say you were wrong, but just that as Christians, some observe things differently. Certainly there have been more grievous errors made on this thread. I am sorry if the rest of my post came across as being harsh; it was more a pointing to the fact that the contentions here can get very heated. It was not meant as a criticism, but a caution. I forgive you... Please forgive me! I really appreciate it when people can just state their position. Please pray for me, and I shall pray for you.
How do we really know what He said to them because not every word He said to Adam and Eve is recorded in the Bible?
Well He walked and talked with them in the garden as He came looking for them and they were hiding after they disobeyed and I don't believe this was the only time they had face to face time with God in the garden. God also told them that if they ate from the tree they would surely die. So as God took the life of the animals don't you think common sense says that He would explain the sacrifice a payment for sin? He was there covering their nakedness and telling them that her seed would be at enmity with satan....and that would one day destroy/crush his head meaning the death of satan and sin...Bruising Jesus heel was his death and sacrifice..... I understand it and not sure why you don't
Well He walked and talked with them in the garden as He came looking for them and they were hiding after they disobeyed and I don't believe this was the only time they had face to face time with God in the garden. God also told them that if they ate from the tree they would surely die. So as God took the life of the animals don't you think common sense says that He would explain the sacrifice a payment for sin? He was there covering their nakedness and telling them that her seed would be at enmity with satan....and that would one day destroy/crush his head meaning the death of satan and sin...Bruising Jesus heel was his death and sacrifice..... I understand it and not sure why you don't
What I don't understand is why you say God's Word says something it does not, nor do I understand why you will not acknowledge the very plain and simple fact that what you said was wrong, aside from any conjecture you might like to make. God did not ask them to sacrifice anything to pay for their sin. He covered them. That is plain and simple stated in the Word, and that is the very fact that points forward to Jesus, not them making some sacrifice to pay for their sin, which is not stated nor even hinted at.
I think it's very possible God talked to Adam and Eve about sacrifices and what they meant. As you said, He walked with them and had perfect relationship with them.
The argument I'm seeing though, and forgive me Magenta if I've missed it, is that the Bible DOES NOT say either way what happened. Any belief about what was said or not said to them is just conjecture.
The argument I'm seeing though, and forgive me Magenta if I've missed it, is that the Bible DOES NOT say either way what happened. Any belief about what was said or not said to them is just conjecture.
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They did both bring offerings, which set off an entire chain of events. So there is a message involved with the offerings.
Later God did give the commands involving offerings and sacrifices, from the time that the people were being brought out of the land of Egypt, starting with the Passover lamb. Even before the law was given in the wilderness.
It's not written that God directly told Cain and Able to bring a sacrifice and an offering of the fruit of the ground.
It doesn't take away from any of the significance involved.
There are still patterns involved that unless we prayerfully look, we'd miss, and offerings are first mentioned in Gen 4.
Later God did give the commands involving offerings and sacrifices, from the time that the people were being brought out of the land of Egypt, starting with the Passover lamb. Even before the law was given in the wilderness.
It's not written that God directly told Cain and Able to bring a sacrifice and an offering of the fruit of the ground.
It doesn't take away from any of the significance involved.
There are still patterns involved that unless we prayerfully look, we'd miss, and offerings are first mentioned in Gen 4.
If not told to do so then Why did Abel bring a lamb for a sacrifice to God? Someone had to tell him this was an acceptable thing to do.....Cain did not bring a blood sacrifice and God was not pleased with him and accept Cain's sacrifice.... Why would either bring a sacrifice if it were not necessary or if they had not been told that the wages of sin is death.... When Adam and Eve sinned their death was required as they were told they would die if they ate from the tree instead a visual lesson was given to them and an animal had to die and therefore covered their nakedness too..... It may not be written down but it certainly is implied because of Abel and Cain bringing sacrifices....
So I stand corrected to say they were told but they knew what to do and did bring sacrifices to God long before the Levitical system was put into place... Abraham commanded by God to sacrifice Issac was to help Abraham to realize that God was going to sacrifice His Son and the cost of sin... That the wages of sin is death.... I guess they didn't have Sacrifices for Dummies back in the day written down for everyone to read they were handing it down by word of mouth.... Maybe from the lack of printing presses....
Now please a lot of the last paragraph above was written with humor intent.... But these old testament people were smart enough to know that the wages of sin is death and sacrifices were being made. More than likely from instruction given by God.
To me it is common sense.....But if it isn't written down for many then it isn't so.... So forgive if I added what should not have been added... I am pretty sure they got the concept of a sacrifice and what it was for though.
So I stand corrected to say they were told but they knew what to do and did bring sacrifices to God long before the Levitical system was put into place... Abraham commanded by God to sacrifice Issac was to help Abraham to realize that God was going to sacrifice His Son and the cost of sin... That the wages of sin is death.... I guess they didn't have Sacrifices for Dummies back in the day written down for everyone to read they were handing it down by word of mouth.... Maybe from the lack of printing presses....
Now please a lot of the last paragraph above was written with humor intent.... But these old testament people were smart enough to know that the wages of sin is death and sacrifices were being made. More than likely from instruction given by God.
To me it is common sense.....But if it isn't written down for many then it isn't so.... So forgive if I added what should not have been added... I am pretty sure they got the concept of a sacrifice and what it was for though.
God's Word clearly states that God covered them. God's Word clearly points forward to Jesus from Genesis, not telling us we need to sacrifice an animal to cover our sins, but to let us know that the sacrifice Jesus was to make on our behalf would be acceptable to God as propitiatory payment for sin. I don't take that lightly, nor make jokes about it, in the middle of a discussion on the seriousness of the consequences of sin, or make up things and say God's Word states such and such when it says no such thing. I don't need sacrifices for dummies, your implication is not funny in the least Darlene.
Magenta truly please forgive me if I have offended you in any way this truly was not my intent.....at all ever as we are friends and communicate nicely in other threads....You are right in that it was not written down as a stated fact of Adam and Eve being told straight out.
But again blood sacrifices were made long before the Jews were instructed to do so...they had to have known it was necessary so who told them?
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But again blood sacrifices were made long before the Jews were instructed to do so...they had to have known it was necessary so who told them?
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I see that you are very upset with me and again not trying to hurt, upset anyone. There are so many instruction books out today about any and everything and I was trying to lighten up the situation, but my mistake was in that when someone is upset they will take things personally, I am not upset at you and certainly not calling you a dummy.... Hopefully you will show me a little grace and forgive me and my wrongness.
I do stand by the commandments of God though that are written down plainly for all to read and the 7th day of rest, blessed, and set apart that was given at creation. Telling us to remember it on Mt. Sinai as the 4th commandment.
But I am sorry as it is evident I have offended you in my misstatement.
I do stand by the commandments of God though that are written down plainly for all to read and the 7th day of rest, blessed, and set apart that was given at creation. Telling us to remember it on Mt. Sinai as the 4th commandment.
But I am sorry as it is evident I have offended you in my misstatement.
God has always provided the sacrifice whether it be animal or His Son.... Even with Abraham He provided a Ram.... All of the animal sacrifices pointed toward the sacrifice of Jesus who was the only sacrifice that really counted as the animals were always a substitute.
God covered them then as Jesus blood covers us now.....
This is a discussion right? and not a fight to the death or maybe I should quit on the humor all together....
Again please forgive as God knows I am not trying to hurt or harm you or even lie to you for that matter.... Discussing the Bible....that's all. I mis-spoke and admitted that it was not hard written in the Bible.... I feel it was implied though...my feeling not a written in the Bible....word for word....
God covered them then as Jesus blood covers us now.....
This is a discussion right? and not a fight to the death or maybe I should quit on the humor all together....
Again please forgive as God knows I am not trying to hurt or harm you or even lie to you for that matter.... Discussing the Bible....that's all. I mis-spoke and admitted that it was not hard written in the Bible.... I feel it was implied though...my feeling not a written in the Bible....word for word....
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