Why I keep the Sabbath FYI.
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You can't be dead to sin if you are looking at the law and trying to obey it.
Because all the law does is point out your sin.
Once you see this it causes you to seek a Saviour from this situation.
The Saviour pulls you out of this situation and puts you on a new and higher path than your understanding of the law can allow.
Because all the law does is point out your sin.
Once you see this it causes you to seek a Saviour from this situation.
The Saviour pulls you out of this situation and puts you on a new and higher path than your understanding of the law can allow.
Correct.
It doesn't have to be (and shouldn't be) a work of the flesh. There are many who treat it as such, but the fault of man's motivation and action shouldn't take away from God's intended plan for it.
But you are correct that there is no more a reward in heaven for that specifically than there is for any act of obedience found in either the Old Testament or the New. The only reward we receive in heaven is the one we gain from Jesus' sacrifice. But the Sabbath here in this life provides yet another opportunity to do God's will and see the fruit from it.
It doesn't have to be (and shouldn't be) a work of the flesh. There are many who treat it as such, but the fault of man's motivation and action shouldn't take away from God's intended plan for it.
But you are correct that there is no more a reward in heaven for that specifically than there is for any act of obedience found in either the Old Testament or the New. The only reward we receive in heaven is the one we gain from Jesus' sacrifice. But the Sabbath here in this life provides yet another opportunity to do God's will and see the fruit from it.
One is a carnal concept.
The other is a spiritual concept.
Hebrews 7:12-19
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
The other is a spiritual concept.
Hebrews 7:12-19
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
The reason I say It would have to be a work of the flesh is because you were born after the law.Keeping the sabbath holy Is a good thing but flesh is carnal.
I had said keeping the (Saturday) wasn't a bad work but then I remembered that Paul also said there was no good thing in him(talking about the flesh)
The scripture that paul talked about comes to mind that says I delight in the law of GOD after the inward man but I see another law In my flesh warring against the law of my mind and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which Is In my flesh.
I used that scripture because you were born after the law and JESUS said I am the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE.So now that I see those scriptures then I realise those that are keeping the sabbath as In before the law was given would have to admit they are trying to mix law with grace because now only JESUS Is the way.
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1st Corinthians 3:11-14
king James version(KJV)
11.)For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12.)Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13.)Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14.)If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
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2nd Corinthians 5:10
king James version(KJV)
10.)For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in hisbody, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
I had said keeping the (Saturday) wasn't a bad work but then I remembered that Paul also said there was no good thing in him(talking about the flesh)
The scripture that paul talked about comes to mind that says I delight in the law of GOD after the inward man but I see another law In my flesh warring against the law of my mind and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which Is In my flesh.
I used that scripture because you were born after the law and JESUS said I am the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE.So now that I see those scriptures then I realise those that are keeping the sabbath as In before the law was given would have to admit they are trying to mix law with grace because now only JESUS Is the way.
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1st Corinthians 3:11-14
king James version(KJV)
11.)For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12.)Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13.)Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14.)If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
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2nd Corinthians 5:10
king James version(KJV)
10.)For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in hisbody, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
L
It wasn't because Jesus didn't keep the Sabbath, it was because according to their standard he broke it. But He didnt break it. They looked for any way to accuse Him.
John 5:15 The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole.
John 5:16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
John 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
There's another account in Mark 3, that is very similar. He healed the man with the withered hand on the Sabbath.
Mark 3:1 And he entered again into the synagogue; and there was a man there which had a withered hand.
Mark 3:2 And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him.
Mark 3:3 And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth.
Mark 3:4 And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
Mark 3:4 And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
Mark 3:5 And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.
Mark 3:6 And the Pharisees went forth, and straightway took counsel with the Herodians against him, how they might destroy him.
God has always desired mercy more than sacrifice:
Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
Proverbs 21:3 To do justice and judgment is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice.
John 5:15 The man departed, and told the Jews that it was Jesus, which had made him whole.
John 5:16 And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
John 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
There's another account in Mark 3, that is very similar. He healed the man with the withered hand on the Sabbath.
Mark 3:1 And he entered again into the synagogue; and there was a man there which had a withered hand.
Mark 3:2 And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him.
Mark 3:3 And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth.
Mark 3:4 And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
Mark 3:4 And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
Mark 3:5 And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.
Mark 3:6 And the Pharisees went forth, and straightway took counsel with the Herodians against him, how they might destroy him.
God has always desired mercy more than sacrifice:
Hosea 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
Proverbs 21:3 To do justice and judgment is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice.
You tell me, Matt.
John doesn't qualify what he writes with "according to the traditions of the Jews." He had already written the reason the Jews were persecuting Jesus: "because he was doing these things on the Sabbath." There is no qualification here either. Not only did he work on the Sabbath - and work is what this was (see v.17), but he also told the man at the pool to take up his bed, adding - in the eyes of the Jews, who knew the Torah - to the seriousness of the situation. God had commanded a man to be put to death for gathering sticks on the Sabbath (Num. 15:32; cf. Ex. 32:14.15) and here was Jesus telling this man to carry his bed!
John doesn't qualify what he writes with "according to the traditions of the Jews." He had already written the reason the Jews were persecuting Jesus: "because he was doing these things on the Sabbath." There is no qualification here either. Not only did he work on the Sabbath - and work is what this was (see v.17), but he also told the man at the pool to take up his bed, adding - in the eyes of the Jews, who knew the Torah - to the seriousness of the situation. God had commanded a man to be put to death for gathering sticks on the Sabbath (Num. 15:32; cf. Ex. 32:14.15) and here was Jesus telling this man to carry his bed!
Least, you're arguing from silence and applying verses about burnt offerings and sacrifice to the observance of the Sabbath. Do you think the Jews would not have known that the verses from Hosea and Proverbs override the Sabbath law (if, in fact, they did)?
There is nothing at all in any of the scriptures you quote that tells that this was the view of the Jews rather than the teaching of the law.
L
God has always desired mercy. They were accusing Jesus of breaking the law without considering the mercy involved, they were looking at that mercy as works. That is why He was grieved by them when he healed the man in Mark ch. 3.
When the word "works," is used, it brings to mind all kinds of ideas of what that means, the scriptures themselves give examples of different kinds of works. Miracles are one area that I have never considered to be a natural work.
It's a vast subject, I actually did a study around a year ago to gather all of the different verses that apply to works. They were tying to turn the mercy and goodness of Jesus, and the miracles that He performed on the Sabbath days, to works, They were looking for any way that they could find to accuse him. The same happened with Steven before he was stoned to death.
In Acts ch. 7, Steven went into great detail about many of the things that those particular pharisees did that were not actually part of God's law.
I'll see if I can't find that study on works, because the scriptures really do break it down.
When the word "works," is used, it brings to mind all kinds of ideas of what that means, the scriptures themselves give examples of different kinds of works. Miracles are one area that I have never considered to be a natural work.
It's a vast subject, I actually did a study around a year ago to gather all of the different verses that apply to works. They were tying to turn the mercy and goodness of Jesus, and the miracles that He performed on the Sabbath days, to works, They were looking for any way that they could find to accuse him. The same happened with Steven before he was stoned to death.
In Acts ch. 7, Steven went into great detail about many of the things that those particular pharisees did that were not actually part of God's law.
I'll see if I can't find that study on works, because the scriptures really do break it down.
This subject seems to come down to me as, some have conviction through reading the literal letter of the old testement, and others have an inner conviction that is not based on that literal letter. Now before Sabbath keepers make the obvious reply, they do not seek to obey all the literal letter of ot law
L
I also wanted to point out that the bible defines what real sacrifice is, what it represents for us.
Hebrews 13:15 By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.
Psalms 107:22 And let them sacrifice the sacrifices of thanksgiving, and declare his works with rejoicing.
Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
God has always desired mercy more than sacrifice.
This is what God has always desired.
Hebrews 13:15 By him therefore let us offer the sacrifice of praise to God continually, that is, the fruit of our lips giving thanks to his name.
Psalms 107:22 And let them sacrifice the sacrifices of thanksgiving, and declare his works with rejoicing.
Romans 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
God has always desired mercy more than sacrifice.
This is what God has always desired.