Why I keep the Sabbath FYI.

[JesusLives]

You can't be dead to sin if you are looking at the law and trying to obey it.

Because all the law does is point out your sin.

Once you see this it causes you to seek a Saviour from this situation.

The Saviour pulls you out of this situation and puts you on a new and higher path than your understanding of the law can allow.

If we love God we will have His laws written on our hearts, His Holy Spirit will be living in us to do the Fathers will which is to obey and love Him.

~Ezekiel 36:27 ESV And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.
~Romans 2:13 ESV
For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified.
Romans 3:31 ESV
Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.
1 John 2:4 ESV
Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,
Matthew 5:17-19 ESV
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
John 15:10 ESV
If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.
Matthew 7:23 ESV
And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.

 

[james57]

You can't be dead to sin if you are looking at the law and trying to obey it.

Because all the law does is point out your sin.

Once you see this it causes you to seek a Saviour from this situation.

The Saviour pulls you out of this situation and puts you on a new and higher path than your understanding of the law can allow.

I don't think I have ever read a better post than this on a christian debating website

 

[gotime]

I must say I am saddened to read some of these posts that seem to have the concept that is summed up in this statement:

I'm only human. Which basically means from a believers perspective that we can not overcome sin fully. That sinning is inevitable.

Why is this so?

Ps I know this is off topic but I started the post and no one is addressing the post so It really doesn't matter.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I must say I am saddened to read some of these posts that seem to have the concept that is summed up in this statement:

I'm only human. Which basically means from a believers perspective that we can not overcome sin fully. That sinning is inevitable.

Why is this so?

Ps I know this is off topic but I started the post and no one is addressing the post so It really doesn't matter.

The difference between your message and the message of the gospel is that you teach GOD gives us the strength through faith to keep the law, whereas the gospel teaches that GOD gives us the strength to walk in faith and love though his grace of passing over the judgment rightly due our inability to keep the law.

In your teaching, righteous acts come from man's will. In the gospel, righteous acts come from GOD's will.

 

[LexKnight]

Least, don't play innocent. You and your lackeys have been peddling this stuff for years.

Here you are over here on another thread agitating
and starting trouble with some else.

I wonder how come they allow you to continue
to bother people on here? Do you give them money
every month?

 

[GandalfTheWhite]

I found it. In John 5:18 we read, "This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill [Jesus], because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God."

Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

Mat 11:19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

If we have to believe all the things the Jew accused Jesus of he couldn’t keep the law perfectly and then He couldn’t bring salvation. If you believe Jesus did not keep the Torah perfectly you have a salvation problem.

 

[gotime]

The difference between your message and the message of the gospel is that you teach GOD gives us the strength through faith to keep the law, whereas the gospel teaches that GOD gives us the strength to walk in faith and love though his grace of passing over the judgment rightly due our inability to keep the law.

In your teaching, righteous acts come from man's will. In the gospel, righteous acts come from GOD's will.

Do you know that what you just said about what I believe is a lie? It is simply not true.

Nothing righteous comes from Mans will. But Gods will that is always righteous.

I believe that Jesus came to save us from our sins. I believe that he did just that and by faith we overcome sin because Christ lives in us by faith and the lives we live of victory are done so by His power to save.

 

[kohelet]

... sin is not remembering to keep the Sabbath Holy, but why? what is so important about this 7th day Sabbath that makes it sin not to keep it? The answer I find is in the commandment itself as it is written:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

So the reason is because God created and on this day he rested/stopped and blessed this day and sanctified it or set it apart for Holy use.

This sparked my interest, out of all the 10 commandments 9 of them make sense as sin, don't kill, steal, put God first etc. They all make sense, but the one commandment that makes the least sense is the 4th why keep the 7th day Holy? This is why in verse 11 God gives us a reason.

God wants us to know why it is sin not to keep the 7th day Sabbath, he wants us to understand that the reason He wants us to keep it Holy is because that was the day He made Holy, that He blessed after making the heavens and the earth and us.

So I went back to see this and just as the commandment says so I found as it is written:
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

So suddenly I realized that this day did not become holy when God gave the commandment, but was already holy right back at the beginning before sin even came to this world. And it was Holy because God made it so. This day was special because it was made by God to be Holy to be set apart. Its not different because of a law, its different because God made it so.

The thing is though, gotime, that the day on which God rested was like none of the others. We read no "and there was evening and morning, a seventh day". It was perpetual blessing that Adam and Eve were created into. This was the result of God's blessing the perpetual Sabbath and Adam and Eve enjoyed this perfect relationship with God until they sinned. It is therefore wrong to say "this day was special because it was made by God to be Holy to be set apart." No day needed to be set apart before sin. It was perpetually day and nothing but blessed.

The first we read about the Sabbath of the commandment, a 24-hour period, is in Exodus 16, shortly before the giving of the law. This sort of thing also happened in the case of the Passover.

There are two reasons for the giving of the commandment to keep the Sabbath day holy. In Exodus 20 it is because God rested and blessed the day and in Deuteronomy 5 the children of Israel are to keep the day to remember their deliverance out of slavery in Egypt.

It therefore foreshadowed the coming of Jesus, who would deliver us from bondage to sin and restore uninterrupted rest and the relationship with God that Adam and Eve had enjoyed in the beginning.

You're right to say "sin is not remembering to keep the Sabbath holy", gotime, but you're focussed on the shadow rather than the reality. Sin is indeed not seeing Jesus, our Sabbath rest, as holy and acknowledging God's provision of a Saviour in him. But there is no sin in not observing the weekly Sabbath or we would certainly be reading about it, under the new covenant, in the New Testament.

 

[Brother_Don]

The title of the thread is(why i keep the Sabbath FYI). So why are people that do not keep Sabbath come in and tell us why we are wrong in keeping Sabbath? It's goofy, and happens every time. If some one starts a thread that condones sin i stay away, and i don't go in telling them how they condone sin. It's just weird to me that when a thread is started where like-minded people choose to share their experience in obedience, how others come in and try turning it upside down.

 

[LexKnight]

So why are people that do not keep Sabbath come in and tell us why we are wrong in keeping Sabbath?

Come on brother Don? You know why they do it.

 

[Brother_Don]

Galatians 2:20, i am crucified with Christ: nevertheless i live; yet not i, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which i now live in the flesh i live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave Himself for me.

 

[LexKnight]

When I did not keep the Sabbath...people who kept it would bother me about it.

Now I keep the Sabbath people who don't keep it will bother me about it.

Go figure?

I never bother anyone about it one way or the other.

 

[Brother_Don]

i keep Sabbath because Christ lives in me. it's no longer i, but i gave my life to Jesus Christ.

 

[LexKnight]

I keep the Sabbath because God told me to do so.

 

[Brother_Don]

The difference between your message and the message of the gospel is that you teach GOD gives us the strength through faith to keep the law, whereas the gospel teaches that GOD gives us the strength to walk in faith and love though his grace of passing over the judgment rightly due our inability to keep the law.

In your teaching, righteous acts come from man's will. In the gospel, righteous acts come from GOD's will.

with man it is impossible, but with the Almighty all things are possible.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Come on brother Don? You know why they do it.

Hello LexKnight
I would hope It's because we wouldn't want to just look the other way while what we think Is error Is being exposed to those who are ignorant.

 

[Mitspa]

I keep the Sabbath because God told me to do so.

No God told you that if you put yourself under the law after He has paid the price to set you free...then you put yourself under its curse and are a enemy of the truth.

 

[KohenMatt]

It's not really what you consider to be work, Matt. It is the law that forbids carrying things, however long they have been slept on and however necessary they may be for preparing meals or keeping warm. I was making a comparison between what happened in the OT under the law and what Jesus did in the New, on the Sabbath.

The Law doesn't mention carrying things on the Sabbath. I'd be interested to see which verse in the Law indicates that to you.

It mentions work. There is a very big difference between carrying something, and working. The man picking up sticks was making provision for his household for heat and/or cooking, both of which are specifically mentioned in the Law.

No Fires: "You shall not kindle a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath day.” (Exodus 35:3)
No Cooking: “This is what the Lord meant: Tomorrow is a sabbath observance, a holy sabbath to the Lord. Bake what you will bake and boil what you will boil, and all that is left over put aside to be kept until morning." (Exodus 16:23)

The Jews/Pharisees were looking to trap Jesus according to THEIR customs and interpretations of the Law, such as healing on the Sabbath (Luke 6:6-10) and eating grain (Luke 6:1-6). On both occasions Jesus turned back to the Law itself to show He wasn't breaking it. This was their motive. They were wrong and Jesus corrected them. Jesus was not breaking the Sabbath commands.

But if you want to equate carrying a mat with working, there isn't much more I can say because it just seems silly to me to compare the 2. And if that's the case, I'll leave this particular point alone and move on.

 

[JesusLives]

Why I keep the Sabbath..... There is no other day in the week that my mind can push away the business that goes with the other 6 days. For one whole 24 hour period I can let my mind rest and contemplate the things God has done for me and spend time in nature without the worry that I have to be somewhere or do something. To put away common everyday work and glory in God's presence and be thankful for the blessings He gives me each day.

Yes tourist and I spend each day with God and read His word and ask Him to be with us and live in our hearts so we can show the love that He teaches us to show and share.

Tourist was raised a Catholic and was not raised to obey the Sabbath but he agrees that Saturday is the true Sabbath as the commandment indicates.

I love the special day that God set apart to come and worship Him in spirit and in truth and get refreshed and better able to face the 6 days that are in the week to work and get things done so I can again enjoy my mini vacation with God on Sabbath each week. Time He set apart for us to share with Him...

We humans have a hard time seeing the truth and acting out in faith when God tells us to do something....Like telling Adam and Eve they would have to sacrifice a lamb to pay for their sin pointing forward to Jesus sacrifice. Abel tended sheep and gladly obeyed God by sacrificing a lamb. But Cain thought since he tilled the ground it was o.k. to bring a gift of sacrifice of vegetables and fruits and got upset with God and Abel because God accepted Abel's sacrifice but not Cain's. Because Cain wanted to do it man's way and not God's requested way.

I don't understand when God asks us to do something and we ignore it and do things our own way....

 

[TheAristocat]

Why I keep the Sabbath..... There is no other day in the week that my mind can push away the business that goes with the other 6 days. For one whole 24 hour period I can let my mind rest and contemplate the things God has done for me and spend time in nature without the worry that I have to be somewhere or do something.

Uh oh. Sounds like someone's not resting in Jesus. Surely if you rested in Jesus your muscles wouldn't be tired, your feet wouldn't ache, you'd be mentally sharp, and you'd be able to work 169 hours a week. After all, that's what God wants from us, right? Work 7 days a week, yep? Yep yep.