Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

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Nat2019

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I'm glad you said this.

Judas PROVES that a FOLLOWER of Jesus is not necessarily a saved, Born Again Child of God.

In the 2 elements of Salvation, confession, and belief Judas fails both. He NEVER confessed Jesus as Lord. He referred to him as master or teacher, or Rabbi, but NEVER LORD. He didn't confess, because he never believed. Even upon his death he referred to Jesus as betraying "innocent blood" NOT Lord or the Son of God.

So yes, he IS a good example of those who will Christ say "I NEVER KNEW YOU, DEPART FROM ME..."

Please don't be one of them.

1 Timothy 4:1 ESV / 196 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,
 

PennEd

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He saw Jesus in the flesh, are you seriously going to say that!!!!! He walked with Jesus.
What the heck does that even mean? So what that he saw Jesus in the flesh. So did the pharisees. What did Judas have faith in? What did he believe?
 

Nat2019

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You did not have time to read them all. You just knee jerked reacted in an attempt to save your faulty theology. Do you FEAR reading Biblical Truth?
Of course not;). But you do because it might destroy your eternal security beliefs. So you pretend this scripture about departing from the faith isnt in the bible. Quite sad really:(
 

Rosemaryx

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Yes I know you dont want to believe it because it totally destroys your faulty doctrine.
You are blinded , you tasted once that the LORD was good , then hopped over the other side of the fence and are now proclaiming that my Jesus is weak and does not fulfil His promises...

I once sat on your side , and I thank God He showed me the correct path , and all you do is look negative at everything , and that my friend is destroying your faith...

I remember when I thought my salvation could be lost , it was horrible , and you say you have joy , where is your permanent joy , you have none and it shows , you are on the side of those who tasted the goodness of our LORD , then you jumped back , just like the people in Hebrews , it would be good for you to study that book also ...May God open your eyes...xox...
 

Nat2019

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Revelation 2:4-5
But I have this against you, that you have abandoned the love you had at first. Remember therefore from where you have fallen; repent, and do the works you did at first. If not, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place, unless you repent
 

PennEd

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Of course not;). But you do because it might destroy your eternal security beliefs. So you pretend this scripture about departing from the faith isnt in the bible. Quite sad really:(
Are you ok? You are sounding more and more unhinged.

You said you don't listen to men, only the Word, yet refuse to read the mountain of God's Word that destroys your heresy.

Maybe it's a good thing you are starting to crack.
 

Nat2019

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You are blinded , you tasted once that the LORD was good , then hopped over the other side of the fence and are now proclaiming that my Jesus is weak and does not fulfil His promises...

I once sat on your side , and I thank God He showed me the correct path , and all you do is look negative at everything , and that my friend is destroying your faith...

I remember when I thought my salvation could be lost , it was horrible , and you say you have joy , where is your permanent joy , you have none and it shows , you are on the side of those who tasted the goodness of our LORD , then you jumped back , just like the people in Hebrews , it would be good for you to study that book also ...May God open your eyes...xox...
Yes and I saw nothing Good from this ridiculous doctrine. It has no power to deliver from sins. In my life or the lives off fellow OSAS believers. It's a dead gospel that leads to hell. It only gives you security in your sins, nothing more. It also makes prideful, religious people, who dont notice their own sins, but the sins of the rest of the world. I hate this self righteousness Gospel where you think you can sin it up and go to heaven. Well you won't and you will be the shocked one.
I am done with you prideful people, your churches are full of false love. You only love those who love you and are part of your religious cult. Of "fake people". SORRY but this what I have seen. Your churches are full of pastors trying to RIP off poor people, who wear suits and say " I am eternally secure" are you eternally secure in your greed ripping off poor people?
Its disgusting and shameful to do this. And most the people put high in OSAS are greedy and arrogant. Wow I am glad I am not part of this gospel.

Pride comes before a fall, always remember that. I have been to lots and lots of these corrupt churches with people who are "fake" and show "fake" love. They love you until, you say something they dont like. You love your own, a bit like any other cult.

I am so glad I left this non sense.
 

Rosemaryx

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Remember children of God...
Yes and I saw nothing Good from this ridiculous doctrine. It has no power to deliver from sins. In my life or the lives off fellow OSAS believers. It's a dead gospel that leads to hell. It only gives you security in your sins, nothing more. It also makes prideful, religious people, who dont notice their own sins, but the sins of the rest of the world. I hate this self righteousness Gospel where you think you can sin it up and go to heaven. Well you won't and you will be the shocked one.
I am done with you prideful people, your churches are full of false love. You only love those who love you and are part of your religious cult. Of "fake people". SORRY but this what I have seen. Your churches are full of pastors trying to RIP off poor people, who wear suits and say " I am eternally secure" are you eternally secure in your greed ripping off poor people?
Its disgusting and shameful to do this. And most the people put high in OSAS are greedy and arrogant. Wow I am glad I am not part of this gospel.

Pride comes before a fall, always remember that. I have been to lots and lots of these corrupt churches with people who are "fake" and show "fake" love. They love you until, you say something they dont like. You love your own, a bit like any other cult.

I am so glad I left this non sense.
WOW...Your heart is truly showing what is inside you...
That does not sound like a heart that has been changed in the slightest...

Here , pray this sincerely
Psalm 51:10
10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
 

PennEd

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Yes and I saw nothing Good from this ridiculous doctrine. It has no power to deliver from sins. In my life or the lives off fellow OSAS believers. It's a dead gospel that leads to hell. It only gives you security in your sins, nothing more. It also makes prideful, religious people, who dont notice their own sins, but the sins of the rest of the world. I hate this self righteousness Gospel where you think you can sin it up and go to heaven. Well you won't and you will be the shocked one.
I am done with you prideful people, your churches are full of false love. You only love those who love you and are part of your religious cult. Of "fake people". SORRY but this what I have seen. Your churches are full of pastors trying to RIP off poor people, who wear suits and say " I am eternally secure" are you eternally secure in your greed ripping off poor people?
Its disgusting and shameful to do this. And most the people put high in OSAS are greedy and arrogant. Wow I am glad I am not part of this gospel.

Pride comes before a fall, always remember that. I have been to lots and lots of these corrupt churches with people who are "fake" and show "fake" love. They love you until, you say something they dont like. You love your own, a bit like any other cult.

I am so glad I left this non sense.
The ridiculous doctrine is believing our Heavenly Father is going to toss HIS CHILDREN into hell.

It is so simple that you miss it. Do you trust JESUS to keep you saved, or are you trusting/working to keep YOURSELF saved?

If it's the latter, you have trampled on the Blood of Christ. WORST possible thing to do.
 

Nat2019

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The ridiculous doctrine is believing our Heavenly Father is going to toss HIS CHILDREN into hell.

It is so simple that you miss it. Do you trust JESUS to keep you saved, or are you trusting/working to keep YOURSELF saved?

If it's the latter, you have trampled on the Blood of Christ. WORST possible thing to do.
I am glad i left this non sense.
 

Nat2019

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Remember children of God...


WOW...Your heart is truly showing what is inside you...
That does not sound like a heart that has been changed in the slightest...

Here , pray this sincerely
Psalm 51:10
10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
Wow thanks I am so so glad I left this gospel. Praise the Lord;)
 

Sipsey

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I am glad i left this non sense.
When Jesus was on the cross, He said, “It is finished.”
Many don’t understand this simple truth. He has done everything necessary to have eternal life. To add anything to the finished work of Christ is foolish.
 

Nat2019

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Yes no more greedy pastors in OSAS can take my money anymore:) NO you want get my money to drive a Ferrari. I will not even make you rich by buying your books or Cds from the Christian book store.
 

BillG

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You said you don't listen to men, only the Word, yet refuse to read the mountain of God's Word that destroys your heresy.
She listens to this guy

Daniel D. Corner, Evangelical Outreach, Washington, PA, is one of several voices promoting the heresy of Arminian fundamentalism on the Internet. He is associated with the Jesus is Lord Ministries International, Word Broadcasting Network*, and the satellite Reformation Channel. These media conduits feature various Anglo-Catholics, Wesleyan/holiness ministers, revivalists, and charismatic preachers. Beware!

Thank you Dan and Sheral Corner for showing me the truth, that changed my life and the lives of others;)
Got some of there gospel pamphlets here;)
 

Nat2019

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When Jesus was on the cross, He said, “It is finished.”
Many don’t understand this simple truth. He has done everything necessary to have eternal life. To add anything to the finished work of Christ is foolish.
Listen this is your own view. But not others.
She listens to this guy

Daniel D. Corner, Evangelical Outreach, Washington, PA, is one of several voices promoting the heresy of Arminian fundamentalism on the Internet. He is associated with the Jesus is Lord Ministries International, Word Broadcasting Network*, and the satellite Reformation Channel. These media conduits feature various Anglo-Catholics, Wesleyan/holiness ministers, revivalists, and charismatic preachers. Beware!
At least he puts the word of God into practice and teaches others too.
You people teach others to disobey God.