Why is Jesus referred to as the Morning Star?

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TheLearner

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Either you are a very fast typer or do you have this stuff pre typed, I don’t care it’s all cool just wondering?
I posted it before, just copy and paste. But great idea to archive the posts.

thanks friend,
daniel
 
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when it’s kept in context

Luke 10:17
And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
 

TheLearner

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i puke in my mouth a little every time i read something from the MSG :sick:
My apologies. there are spots that Jehovah's Witnesses like to use.

for example, this text makes me puke,

Revelation 3:14 The Message (MSG)
To Laodicea
14 Write to Laodicea, to the Angel of the church. God’s Yes, the Faithful and Accurate Witness, the First of God’s creation, says:
 

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morning star is a reference to satan and bright morning star a reference to Christ, as a roaring lion and a Lion of the tribe of Judah
Satan is the Son of the morning

Jesus is the bright and morning Star

Two very different titles..

Isaiah 14: KJV
12 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"

Revelation 22: KJV
16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

Yes i know some versions of the Bible declare both satan and Jesus to be the Morning star... They set people up for doctrines of demons.. That's why i stick to the KJV as my go to translation of the Scriptures..
 
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Was Satan's fall before creation or shortly there after?

How many years latter did Isaiah write?
good question though the Bible teaches satan was created

Ekekiel 28
14You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for I had ordained you. You were on the holy mountain of God; you walked among the fiery stones.

15From the day you were created you were blameless in your ways until wickedness was found in you.
 
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Satan is the Son of the morning

Jesus is the bright and morning Star

Two very different titles..

Isaiah 14: KJV
12 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"

Revelation 22: KJV
16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

Yes i know some versions of the Bible declare both satan and Jesus to be the Morning star... They set people up for doctrines of demons.. That's why i stick to the KJV as my go to translation of the Scriptures..
Yea I like the KJV I’ll look into it before most at least it’s the one I mostly lean too, not saying I haven’t found some things very small but over all it’s a solid bible.
 

TheLearner

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Angels are often referred to as stars. Morning Stars are a form of angelic being with a certain goodness about them hence the term morning. The word Bright refers to the greatest of all the morning stars. So Jesus tells us he is the Bright Morning Star or the greatest angel of God. There is no greater angel than Jesus the firstborn of all creation.
What do you mean by this? thanks, daniel

"There is no greater angel than Jesus the firstborn of all creation. "

Revelation 3:14 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
Jesus’ Letter to the Church in Laodicea
14 “Write this to the angel of the church in Laodicea:

“Here is a message from the Amen,[a] the faithful and true witness, the ruler of all that God has made.
 
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morning star is a reference to satan and bright morning star a reference to Christ, as a roaring lion and a Lion of the tribe of Judah
Good distinction between the two . Satan as a reflection of the light of God's glory , a ministering spirit that fell away in pride represents darkness.. evil.

And Christ the bright and morning star , to represent being one with the glory the source of Light and not just a reflection.. No darkness under the Bright and Morning Star. The eternal glory .

And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.Revelation 21:22-25
 
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Good distinction between the two . Satan as a reflection of the light of God's glory , a ministering spirit that fell away in pride represents darkness.. evil.

And Christ the bright and morning star , to represent being one with the glory the source of Light and not just a reflection.. No darkness under the Bright and Morning Star. The eternal glory .

And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.Revelation 21:22-25
I like that garee thanks for posting, well written indeed
 

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Huh so the king of Babylon was in heaven
As for the scripture in Isaiah 14 and the confusion many people have about the earthly human king and lucifer both being mentioned in the same scripture as if they are talking about the same person..

People can and sometimes are possessed by demons.. Can satan posses a man? A human king? maybe a King of Babylon..... Yes i believe he can if God allows it.. So a message is sent to a human king but as the message is given another message is given to the spirit that is with the human king..

Like an exorcist who can talk to a person and then address the demon that possess them..
 
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As for the scripture in Isaiah 14 and the confusion many people have about the earthly human king and lucifer both being mentioned in the same scripture as if they are talking about the same person..

People can and sometimes are possessed by demons.. Can satan posses a man? A human king? maybe a King of Babylon..... Yes i believe he can if God allows it.. So a message is sent to a human king but as the message is given another message is given to the spirit that is with the human king..

Like an exorcist who can talk to a person and then address the demon that possess them..
Seems logical to me, there are cases of demon possessions in the Bible, seem a stretch to say satan could not also
 

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Seems logical to me, there are cases of demon possessions in the Bible, seem a stretch to say satan could not also
Well many believe.. And i am one of them,, that in the end times satan will possess the Anti-christ.. satan wants to be worshipped as a God equal with God.. And the Anti-christ will end up being worshipped as God on earth during the end times..

2 Thessalonians 2: KJV
1 "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, {2} That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. {3} Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; {4} Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."
 
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one has to think I think of the power of satan, yes God allowed satan to take Jesus to places but it isn’t something to take lightly.
 
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What do you mean by this? thanks, daniel

"There is no greater angel than Jesus the firstborn of all creation. "

Revelation 3:14 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
Jesus’ Letter to the Church in Laodicea
14 “Write this to the angel of the church in Laodicea:

“Here is a message from the Amen,[a] the faithful and true witness, the ruler of all that God has made.
I take the position that Jesus is the angel of the Lamb and that there is a separation of the Lamb and Jesus. When the Lamb is with Jesus he is God because the Lamb is God but when the Lamb leaves Jesus then Jesus is no longer God but rather the angel of God. Jesus is the firstborn of all creation as stated in Colossians 1:15–16 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.
 
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Was Satan's fall before creation or shortly there after?

How many years latter did Isaiah write?
Luke 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

I would offer. The time of reformation the veil rent the shadow of suffering became sight . It appears it occurred when Christ said: "It is finished" and gave up the Spirit.

Having finished the work Satan fell. Nothing could hold back the promise to the old testament saints. They were raised . . the opening of the gates as the glory that followed the reformation.

Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. 1 Peter 1: 9-11
 

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aw that's kind of you

i'm not upset, just compelled to comment ;)

there are spots that Jehovah's Witnesses like to use.

for example, this text makes me puke,

Revelation 3:14 The Message (MSG)
To Laodicea
14 Write to Laodicea, to the Angel of the church. God’s Yes, the Faithful and Accurate Witness, the First of God’s creation, says:
** grabs a bucket & towel **
 
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this separation between the Lamb and Jesus is shown in the book of Revelation when it says who the Lamb is and it says who Jesus is. The biggest difference between Jesus and the Lamb is the Lion of Judah. The Lamb is the Lion of Judah but Jesus is not the Lion of Judah. They are both the Root of David but they are NOT both the Lion of Judah.