Why Joseph Prince is a Cancerous Growth within God's People

Depleted · Jun 5, 2016

Oh, you really should at least read the first page. We ran out of popcorn days ago and we need someone to bring more. I also don't think anyone ever picked up something to drink.

The rest? Meh! Most of it is people telling me how miserable I am for daring to take on Prince. About one interesting post per page. (And, sadly, none of them were mine except the link in my first post.)

Ariel82 · Jun 5, 2016

Yeah I left after the popcorn ran out.

crossnote · Jun 5, 2016

JGIG said:

Not so different of a question, really.

All must be in the context of Christ and who we are IN HIM.

In another thread, I wrote this:

Originally Posted by Grace777x70

In " security" develops "maturity" just like in all relationships.

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Originally Posted by JGIG

YES!

A child who grows up in a home where they are constantly fearful of being disowned will mess up more, will rebel more, will be dysfunctional - because that's not how God designed us to function.

God designed us to function from a place of absolute security - our position with Him is based on His love for us and who we are in Christ and His faithfulness as our High Priest. In Him we are loved and we are secure, and can grow and mature in His care.

7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9 In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him. 10 In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

11 Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us and his love is perfected in us.

13 By this we know that we abide in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit. 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15 Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.

16 So we have come to know and to believe the love that God has for us. God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him.

17 By this is love perfected with us, so that we may have confidence for the day of judgment, because as he is so also are we in this world.

18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love. 19 We love because he first loved us. (from 1 Jn. 4)

One need only to look at families around them to see the differences in the children . . . of course everyone is an individual, but overall, families full of consistent grace, love and stability (and by stability I mean spiritual stability - there are always all kinds of ups and downs in life) produce joyful, balanced children. Families where there are conditions and threats attached to expectations produce fearful, insecure, and sometimes very angry children. They may have success in life because they've been pushed, but they will have little if any real relationship with their parents and may struggle relationally with others, as well as a lack of joy. Thankfully there is a second chance at a spiritual family in Christ for folks from families like that!

Thanks be to God that He is a kind, consistent Father, and that we have a Perfect, Permanent High Priest Who is able to empathize with our weaknesses - and intercedes for us anyway \o/! (Heb. 4, 1 Jn. 2)
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Our responses in life and ability to go out and be who God designed us to be is because we can depend on our security in Christ and His Work.

Then no matter what we face, we can lift it up to HIM and say, "I choose to trust YOU in this circumstance/temptation/desire/tragedy/trial/joy/sucess, because YOU are GOOD and YOU LOVE me." And then even if the circumstance doesn't change, our ABILITY to deal with it (or minister through it) in Christ with honor and integrity and love because of Christ in us comes in the Fruit HE produces in and through us.

So yes, it is ALL Christ.

28 ‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’ (from Acts 17)

-JGIG

I guess you didn't hear my question to you? Let me repeat it. "Why do you assume I don't understand how believers in Christ are at different levels? "

Stephen63 · Jun 5, 2016

AbigailZeke said:

There's a difference between faulty (honest, accidental, immature) interpretations of the Word & ear tickling for popularity & money. WOF is nothing BUT ear tickling, & he has admitted for years to be WOF. That in itself puts him in league with Kenneth Copeland & Joel Osteen.

You will NEVER hear warnings about sin & the Great Falling Away of the church in the last days because, though true & necessary, isn't popular & the mega church populations don't want to hear it.

crossnote · Jun 5, 2016

UnderGrace said:

Hi Crossnote,
I believe this question was for me.
I will assume you mean spiritual growth (the inward life) not outward good works since good works are not always an indicator of progress in the faith.

Perhaps I can state it another way. All righteousness/ justification/sanctification comes to us (is imputed to us) by Jesus when we are born again in Him by the power of the power of the Holy Spirit believing by faith in his finished work. I assume we agree on this.
When are born again we are all in the same place we are adopted sons and daughters. I say this only to see if we are in agreement.

For me to understand why we are at different places in our spiritual progress I look to Hebrews 5:12 13
For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness for he is a babe.
(Heb 5:12 13 NKJV ).

It has all been done for us, we have the “word of righteousness” who is Jesus, yet we do need to avail ourselves to Him, key word is to avail ourselves to that righteousness that is in Him. We need to be persuaded of God’s perfect life in us.
Faith is be being persuaded.
So I guess the bottom line it is our faith (being persuaded) that puts us at different levels. The more we avail ourselves through faith (belief, being persuaded) to the grace of God the more were feeding on the “work of righteousness.”

It is first a hidden life in Christ, the better we are abiding, availing ourselves to His Grace the more fruit we will have.

Angela

So then, there are things we do, and it would be misguided to say 'it is ALL Jesus' as if we are not involved?

Budman · Jun 5, 2016

Depleted said:

And that's what you got out of that article and all I've said? You didn't nudge away from truth, you turned around and bolted from it entirely.

I do get a kick out of all that is said, the "defense" for Prince is always about the person who says anything against him. Not one phrase used to actually defend Prince's false gospel, once more a full sentence. All about anyone who dares to bring up Prince in a negative light.

That too doesn't nudge away from truth. That's bolting away. That merely makes the person seem as weaponless as they are. They cannot defend Prince, so they attack those who show why he can't be defended.

So, no. You don't believe that's what I believe, because you've known me for a year now, and know I'm all for salvation through the grace of God. Like I've said often enough, a good lie has some truth in it. You merely hid the lie by bringing up the part with truth in it. What Prince teaches is still a lie. What you said you believe my issue is is also a lie. Either that or you have no idea who I am or what believe means.

That wasn't even a good try to hide the real issues.

Okay - other than the WOF stuff (which I don't agree with at all) could you simply list the top 5 reasons why you have a problem with Prince?

That way, no one can be accused of misrepresenting what you believe about him.

Depleted · Jun 5, 2016

crossnote said:

Don't hold your breath. She tends to assume a lot of wrong things about others and sticks with the assumptions rather than simply see if she's catching it right.

I do admire your pluck to continue to ask. Want some popcorn while waiting for someone -- anyone -- to answer?

And want a magnifying glass to rest your eyes? Because it seems like you keep getting very long answers that never do answer.

Depleted · Jun 5, 2016

Budman said:

Yeah, not counting the OP and all?

I'm sorry. I never made it as a tutor, so, no I'm not giving you private lessons simply because you won't read the OP. But, thanks for the laugh!

Stephen63 · Jun 5, 2016

Why the use of "differences" in what we believe? Is this a way of saying, "we're not wrong, but different"?

Universalism teaches we can be "different", & still go to Heaven.

The problem I see is that a "different grace", a "different Jesus", a "different message of salvation" is more than "different"..... it's hellish. Jesus says "I am the way, the only door", then here comes a different Jesus using the same quotes. The same way about "another grace" & "another salvation". They all use the Word to back them, to fool the crowd to accept "new" doctrine that will derail the salvation of millions. Those that can't see the difference are fooled already. They are the polar opposites of the true, the real, thus the real "difference". This is the real reason for arguments in the BDF. In the end, a third, "uninvolved" group emerges, saying "this arguing on the BDF is ungodly & wrong, packaging both sides together, confusing the readers even more & helping cover up the true message even more.

Do you think this third group is innocent? NOOO, NOT AT ALL..... they will be judged for their "mixing" & cover-up of the Gospel.

One can say "innocent" all day long, & still have blood of thousands on their hands.

Budman · Jun 5, 2016

Depleted said:

Yeah, not counting the OP and all?

I'm sorry. I never made it as a tutor, so, no I'm not giving you private lessons simply because you won't read the OP. But, thanks for the laugh!

Mmmmm-kaay.

UnderGrace · Jun 5, 2016

crossnote said:

Yes we let Him do the work, we do not frustrate Grace.

HeRoseFromTheDead · Jun 5, 2016

Budman said:

Here's a big problem I have with Prince. As far as I know he started this lie because this verse completely undermines his doctrine

> http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...-modern-hyper-grace-blasphemy.html?highlight=

crossnote · Jun 5, 2016

Stephen63 said:

Why the use of "differences" in what we believe? Is this a way of saying, "we're not wrong, but different"?

Universalism teaches we can be "different", & still go to Heaven.

The problem I see is that a "different grace", a "different Jesus", a "different message of salvation" is more than "different"..... it's hellish. Jesus says "I am the way, the only door", then here comes a different Jesus using the same quotes. The same way about "another grace" & "another salvation". They all use the Word to back them, to fool the crowd to accept "new" doctrine that will derail the salvation of millions. Those that can't see the difference are fooled already. They are the polar opposites of the true, the real, thus the real "difference". This is the real reason for arguments in the BDF. In the end, a third, "uninvolved" group emerges, saying "this arguing on the BDF is ungodly & wrong, packaging both sides together, confusing the readers even more & helping cover up the true message even more.

Do you think this third group is innocent? NOOO, NOT AT ALL..... they will be judged for their "mixing" & cover-up of the Gospel.

One can say "innocent" all day long, & still have blood of thousands on their hands.

East Coast, Old School? I like it.

crossnote · Jun 5, 2016

Depleted said:

I hate getting in debates with women...I lose everytime...a perfect track record with my wife

UnderGrace · Jun 5, 2016

Stephen63 said:

Why the use of "differences" in what we believe? Is this a way of saying, "we're not wrong, but different"?

Universalism teaches we can be "different", & still go to Heaven.

The problem I see is that a "different grace", a "different Jesus", a "different message of salvation" is more than "different"..... it's hellish. Jesus says "I am the way, the only door", then here comes a different Jesus using the same quotes. The same way about "another grace" & "another salvation". They all use the Word to back them, to fool the crowd to accept "new" doctrine that will derail the salvation of millions. Those that can't see the difference are fooled already. They are the polar opposites of the true, the real, thus the real "difference". This is the real reason for arguments in the BDF. In the end, a third, "uninvolved" group emerges, saying "this arguing on the BDF is ungodly & wrong, packaging both sides together, confusing the readers even more & helping cover up the true message even more.

Do you think this third group is innocent? NOOO, NOT AT ALL..... they will be judged for their "mixing" & cover-up of the Gospel.

One can say "innocent" all day long, & still have blood of thousands on their hands.

Stephen63,

Please explain what you mean is "mixing and cover-up of the Gospel?"

Thanks

Depleted · Jun 5, 2016

UnderGrace said:

Same problem. Different day. (Is Stephen going to kick me for using "different?"

)

You keep saying "Grace" as if that is your god. What I have against Grace-only is Grace IS their/your god. Muslims and Jews believe in god too. They even believe in jesus. He's merely not the Jesus/God from the Bible. Neither is Grace.

eternally-gratefull · Jun 5, 2016

crossnote said:

1. Is it required to ask for forgiveness of sin every time to be saved.
2. If not. Why are we even discussing this issue?

This thread is a slam on a person named prince.. (so forgive me if I misread you)

I may not agree with all he says,, (And I most definitely do not), But I think he would be more trustworthy in teaching the gospel, than many who are posting in this thread trying to condemn the man

Billyd · Jun 5, 2016

I would like to encourage everyone here to take a few days off and study the book of 1 Corinthians. Then I would like to encourage you to take a careful look at the verses surrounding the talking point verses of those attempting to spread the "Gospel of Grace". (I'm to old to do it for you)

The term "Gospel of Grace" makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up. My fellow Christians, and others who have been reading the Bible Discussion Forum for the past few months, there is only one Gospel, the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. Simply put it is that we are "saved by the Grace (undeserved favor) of our Lord Jesus Christ by our FAITH in Him".

If you really want to get to know how Christ works, turn off your PC and spend time at a soup kitchen, volunteer at your local school, hospital, or with Hospice, get involved with meals on wheels, your local food pantry (don't have one, start one), spend a weekend a month repairing the home or automobile of the elderly or single parents, etc. God doesn't enrich you to bless you, he enriches you to receive the joy of blessing others.

Finally, I'll leave you with a question. Have you shared the love of Christ with someone in need today?

In Christ Love,
Billy

eternally-gratefull · Jun 5, 2016

Ariel82 said:

This should scare us more than the op itself. especially the author of the OP.

eternally-gratefull · Jun 5, 2016

ember said:

First of all, Joseph Prince is not a cancerous growth; but I'm not defending him. I am defending the right of posters in this forum to have civil and HONEST discourse without a mess of hot words being flung in their face

If there is a cancer evident in this thread, it is the desire to hurt while camouflaging it by supposed concerns over false teaching

The vitriol and accusations and just downright nastiness, is not evident of a desire to discuss anything...it is rather a rampage of misplaced emotions that needed somewhere to go and found a place here

If an audience is desired, then by gum, you have one

If any person actually desires to discuss what they honestly feel is a concern over doctrine, irregardless of who is teaching or posting about it, a discussion can be had without slamming others and creating a dialogue that would be better served in some made for TV movie

I second this..

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