Why Moses and Elijah were at the transfiguration.

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Marilyn said:
They were also at the tomb and witnessed Christ`s resurrection, and later ascension into glory.
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Those could be two angels....

Jhn 20:12
And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
Jhn 20:13
And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him.
 
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cv5 said:
@F2F said: So why was he born of a woman; son of David after flesh and why would God condemn sin in the flesh of his son if it wasn't there to condemn?
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So you are saying that sin was dwelling in the flesh of Jesus?
 
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F2F said:
Both Christ and us are weak..if only you understood that shared weakness more perfectly. 2 Corinthians 13:4
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You may want to read chapter 12.
tho Paul and Titus had every right to be a burden to the church, they came to them meekly, not exercising the power and authority they might have.

This is illustrative of the conclusion he makes of the matter in chapter 13 - consider Matthew 26:53 also, that though He could at any time call down fire from heaven, He came lowly and humble, riding on a donkey - even a foal, which had never been ridden, and without a miracle would have been crushed by the weight of a man.
 
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posthuman said:
You may want to read chapter 12.
tho Paul and Titus had every right to be a burden to the church, they came to them meekly, not exercising the power and authority they might have.

This is illustrative of the conclusion he makes of the matter in chapter 13 - consider Matthew 26:53 also, that though He could at any time call down fire from heaven, He came lowly and humble, riding on a donkey - even a foal, which had never been ridden, and without a miracle would have been crushed by the weight of a man.
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Jhn 18:6
As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

Peter then emboldened by the show of miraculous power then does this:

Jhn 18:10
Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus.

Mat 26:53
Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
 
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posthuman said:
No one takes His life from Him; He lays it down.

No nail could pierce His skin except He allow it.
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Thats right. Not only that, He quite literally CREATED and HELD TOGETHER the fists that punched Him, the nails and spear that pierced Him, the cross that bore Him.

That.......is a truly mighty Savior. And merciful High Priest.
 
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VARob said:
Also, if Elisha and the prophets had thought that Elijah was taken to heaven where God is, they would not have bothered to go looking for him.
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Iirc Elisha told the sons of the prophets not to go looking for the body. Several times.
He finally relented because in their unbelief they kept bugging him. ((why do they need permission from him?))

The 50 military age men searched for 3 days and found no body. Follow the 59 men theme back to the beginning of 2 Kings.. They are representative of the enemies of Elijah when they want to search, and the servants of God when they learn & confess their search is futile.

This is speaking of the physical resurrection - just as Moses body cannot be found, and Christ bodily rose and bodily ascended.
 
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F2F said:
Elijah being taken into Heaven this does not mean he went to God's dwelling place - I suggest he also was buried by God's angel.
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Clearly he bodily got in God's chariot in the cloud of glory, and clearly there was no buried body to be found.
 
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F2F said:
Wages of sin is death.
Death passed on to all for all have died.
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Through Adam. Romans 5.

He came into the world of a virgin, not through Adam. The pregnant woman passes no blood to her foetus, and the life is in the blood.

If Christ had sprinkled sinful blood on the altar in heaven there would be no salvation.
 
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F2F said:
who was descended from David according to the flesh

You have a different Messiah/ Gospel...Sadly, I know where yours comes from.
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Jhn 3:13
And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

Jhn 3:31
He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
 
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F2F said:
Lets be clear what do you believe translated means?

Did not see death for me means he didnt know he was taken and that he died and was buried

It means Enoch's life was cut short unexpectedly right? You get this?
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Heb 11:5
By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

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By faith G4102 Enoch G1802 was translated G3346 that he should G1492 ➔ not G3361 see G1492 death; G2288 and G2532 was G2147 ➔ not G3756 found, G2147 because G1360 God G2316 had translated G3346 him: G846 for G1063 before G4253 his G846 translation G3331 he had this testimony, G3140 that he pleased G2100 God. G2316
 
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F2F said:
Correct and explain the process he went through to become that perfect lamb without spot!
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Process??

He is the same yesterday, today and forever.

He set aside His glory and appeared in the likeness of flesh, humbling Himself.

God at no point 'ceases to be God'


Oh wow i really need to get back to the kenosis thread i started weeks ago, oops!

sorry fam. been very busy with work and life
 
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F2F said:
You said he took your sins upon himself - how?
Explain how they were represented in a man who died on a cross 2000 years.
What does that look like to you?
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like Judges 16:1-3

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note that the gates of Gaza are on His back, not in His heart.
 
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posthuman said:
like Judges 16:1-3

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note that the gates of Gaza are on His back, not in His heart.
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Jhn 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

Jhn 6:54
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jhn 6:55
For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

Jhn 6:56
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
 
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VARob said:
Where does the Bible clearly say he got in "God's chariot"?
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2 Kings 2:11-12

But if you read that as there being a chatiot but Elijah not getting in it, and/or the chariot of Israel not belonging to God, that's fine. A minor and disputable interpretation.
 
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posthuman said:
like Judges 16:1-3

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note that the gates of Gaza are on His back, not in His heart.
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I always wondered whether a little tinkering with Sampson's local ZPE field could easily account for that phenomenon.
But what do I know.......:unsure:
 
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