Why O.T. Sacrifices At All?

[eternally-gratefull]

So those OT saints weren't looking forward to the cross, but their promised Messiah.

The suffering servant was to die for the sins of the people. The messiah was supposed to put Israel back in place and free them from being enslaved to gentile kingdoms.

so not, they were not looking for the MESSIAH to die. The messiah was not supposed to die. The suffering servant was.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Not one believed in His death, burial and resurrection for sins...

That's not the issue. Many believed ON HIM and were justified by grace through faith. While they may not have know about the finished work of Christ, they accepted Him as God their Savior.

And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did. So when the Samaritans were come unto him, they besought him that he would tarry with them: and he abode there two days. And many more believed because of his own word; And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world. (John 4:39-32)

Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him. As he spake these words, many believed on him. (John 8:28-30)

And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with grave clothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go. Then many of the Jews which came to Mary, and had seen the things which Jesus did, believed on him. (John 11:43-45)

The Old Testaments saints also believed God and it was counted to them for righteousness. Study Hebrews 11.

 

[John146]

That's not the issue. Many believed ON HIM and were justified by grace through faith. While they may not have know about the finished work of Christ, they accepted Him as God their Savior.

And many of the Samaritans of that city believed on him for the saying of the woman, which testified, He told me all that ever I did. So when the Samaritans were come unto him, they besought him that he would tarry with them: and he abode there two days. And many more believed because of his own word; And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world. (John 4:39-32)

Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things. And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him. As he spake these words, many believed on him. (John 8:28-30)

And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with grave clothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go. Then many of the Jews which came to Mary, and had seen the things which Jesus did, believed on him. (John 11:43-45)

The Old Testaments saints also believed God and it was counted to them for righteousness. Study Hebrews 11.

And many were disappointed when their Messiah was put to death on the cross. My whole argument is that not one was looking forward to the cross.

 

[LW97]

Not one believed in His death, burial and resurrection for sins. Not one person was at the tomb waiting for His triumphant resurrection. His disciples were hiding out in the upper room wondering what had happened and what to do next. When told, they thought it was an idle tale.

True, the idea that everybody got saved the same way in all ages is definitely NOT sound doctrine.

 

[LW97]

The suffering servant was to die for the sins of the people. The messiah was supposed to put Israel back in place and free them from being enslaved to gentile kingdoms.

so not, they were not looking for the MESSIAH to die. The messiah was not supposed to die. The suffering servant was.

Correct, Jesus was excepting his disciples to deny themselves and take up their cross perfectly but they failed. So his only way was to die.

 

[LW97]

And many were disappointed when their Messiah was put to death on the cross. My whole argument is that not one was looking forward to the cross.

True, brother, true.

 

[John146]

True, the idea that everybody got saved the same way in all ages is definitely NOT sound doctrine.

I would say that everyone in every dispensation were saved eternally the same way, through the blood of Jesus Christ. But how the blood of Jesus Christ was/is applied varies.

 

[Bladerunner]

How could they not know about Jesus as Savior when His very Hebrew name -- Yeshua -- means "God is our salvation"? It is one thing to say that they REFUSED to accept Him as their Savior, and another thing to say that they were unaware that He was their Savior.

As you go through the Gospels -- particularly the Gospel of John -- you find Christ presenting Himself as Savior to the Jews. Also, even before Christ began His public ministry, John the Baptizer presented Him as the Savior.

The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

We could add many more sayings of Christ presenting Himself as Savior.

I think we were speaking about the people from the beginning days of the LAW up to John (The Baptist). He was charged with getting Israel ready to Meet their New Messiah and Savior. Up until that time, WHat I said, I stand by.

 

[Bladerunner]

This is such a simple question! The life is in the blood when Messiah sacrificed His blood it fulfilled the law. But you have to understand Torah to understand the blood and Messiah!!!!

The Blood of the Messiah was not around when the Torah was handed down from God to Moses..

 

[preacher4truth]

According to most Jewish scholars, eternal life did not exist.

Did the ancient Jews believe in life after death?

By James M. Rochford​

“Most of the scholarly world agrees that there is no concept of immortality of life after death in the Old Testament.”[SUP][1][/SUP] With these words, George Mendenhall summarizes the consensus of critical academics regarding the afterlife in the Hebrew Bible. Even many Jewish thinkers deny an afterlife. For instance in a 1991 interview, Jewish professor Yeshayahu Leibowitz said,

Death has no significance… only life matters… In the entire Torah there is not the slightest suggestion that anything happens after death. All the ideas and theories articulated on the subject of a world to come and the resurrection of the dead have no relationship to religious faith. It is sheer folklore. After you die, you simply do not exist.[SUP][SUP][[/SUP][/SUP]
​

What would you expect the lost natural man to believe? 1 Corinthians 2:14? Just because someone is Jewish it doesn't necessitate that they're spiritual or that they have any biblical insight.

Oh, and I don't agree there is nothing of the afterlife, eternity &c in the Torah. You may believe this to be true though.

As for the OP I've often wondered about the eternal and spiritual significance of the OT animal sacrifices.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I think we were speaking about the people from the beginning days of the LAW up to John (The Baptist). He was charged with getting Israel ready to Meet their New Messiah and Savior. Up until that time, WHat I said, I stand by.

No. You are simply refusing to accept what is plainly stated in Scripture. And that is an issue for many Christians.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The Blood of the Messiah was not around when the Torah was handed down from God to Moses..

What she probably meant is that all the animal sacrifices in the Old Covenant were pointing to Messiah they they were only "covering" sin.

 

[preacher4truth]

No. You are simply refusing to accept what is plainly stated in Scripture. And that is an issue for many Christians.

You do the what you accuse yourself and refuse to believe what is plainly stated. You're unwilling to give up your sacred cattle. You should offer them up, OT sacrifice style.