Why O.T. Sacrifices At All?

[John146]

Take a minute and read the article.

I read it and agree with their initial thoughts but not their conclusion. Yes, the OT saints were not justified by the law. They were not saved by following the law. If so, they would have gone to heaven upon death.

Galatians 3
19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Could you post the Scripture and I'll try to respond? Thanks.

Nice cop out,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

They were looking for the Messiah, their promised King who would sit on the throne of David and rule the earth. The cross was hidden.

If you look at the suffering servant who would take away the sins, and messianic prohecies, you would see it would be impossible to think they were the same,

thats the hidden mystery

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well, back then there was not much grace. Read John 1:17: "For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ."

How can one read OT and not see grace?

 

[John146]

If you look at the suffering servant who would take away the sins, and messianic prohecies, you would see it would be impossible to think they were the same,

thats the hidden mystery

Why weren't Peter and the disciples looking forward to the cross?

 

[Magenta]

How can one read OT and not see grace?

Grace is personified and enacted by Christ, is how I read it

 

[Magenta]

Why weren't Peter and the disciples looking forward to the cross?

It was not until after the resurrection that their eyes were opened and they better understood the ministry of Jesus. Even at that, Paul's peerless understanding was required to further guide them, due to the confusion they created with their mixing of the law with grace.

 

[John146]

It was not until after the resurrection that their eyes were opened and they better understood the ministry of Jesus. Even at that, Paul's peerless understanding to further guide them was required to guide them, due to the confusion hey created with their mixing of the law with grace.

Absolutely! I'm trying to get eternally grateful to see this.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Why weren't Peter and the disciples looking forward to the cross?

reread what i said, it explains

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It was not until after the resurrection that their eyes were opened and they better understood the ministry of Jesus. Even at that, Paul's peerless understanding was required to further guide them, due to the confusion they created with their mixing of the law with grace.

I know this, thats why it was hidden.

the suffering servant and messiah were seen as 2different people. No one knew different until after the cross, when it was shown they were one and the same

 

[John146]

I know this, thats why it was hidden.

the suffering servant and messiah were seen as 2different people. No one knew different until after the cross, when it was shown they were one and the same

So those OT saints weren't looking forward to the cross, but their promised Messiah.

 

[Bladerunner]

Salvation is found in no one else. The O.T. Saints believed the promise of a coming Messiah. Their faith is credited as righteousness. Just as our faith is.

https://www.gotquestions.org/Old-Testament-salvation.html

The Jewish People did not know about Jesus as a Savior...He was a Messiah to them, a King. In addition, Salvation by faith was a MYSTERY until Jesus told Paul.

While the Old Testament told them of the coming King, It says nothing about a Savior that they could decipher. When Jesus died on the Cross, His body was three days and three nights "in the Earth". When He left, He brought Paradise and all of its inhabitants with Him to Heaven...Of course, they (OT SAINTS) appear to be on earth for some unknown period of time.

His Blood washed away the SINS of the OT Saints as it did for the Thief on the Cross...The Mystery of Salvation by Faith was still unknown.

Blade

 

[Bladerunner]

They were looking for the savior, they just did not know the savior and messiah were one and the same. It was the message that was hidden.

No they were looking for a Messiah, A king who would free them of ROME. (for those during that period of time...

 

[Bladerunner]

How can one read OT and not see grace?

Yes, the Grace of GOD was upon some the people and nations in years past. Even after Jesus Christ died and Shed HIS blood for our sins, Our Faith in HIM produces salvation. How can that happen???


ONLY by the GRACE of GOD....... His promise to the Church was they woud be in Heaven if they believed (Had Faith) in HIM and His Gospel.. 1 Cor 15:1-4...

Grace is Part of GOD's benevolence, Caring, Loving all People of Earth.

Blade

 

[Nehemiah6]

The Jewish People did not know about Jesus as a Savior...

How could they not know about Jesus as Savior when His very Hebrew name -- Yeshua -- means "God is our salvation"? It is one thing to say that they REFUSED to accept Him as their Savior, and another thing to say that they were unaware that He was their Savior.

As you go through the Gospels -- particularly the Gospel of John -- you find Christ presenting Himself as Savior to the Jews. Also, even before Christ began His public ministry, John the Baptizer presented Him as the Savior.

The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

We could add many more sayings of Christ presenting Himself as Savior.

 

[mcubed]

This is such a simple question! The life is in the blood when Messiah sacrificed His blood it fulfilled the law. But you have to understand Torah to understand the blood and Messiah!!!!

 

[John146]

How could they not know about Jesus as Savior when His very Hebrew name -- Yeshua -- means "God is our salvation"? It is one thing to say that they REFUSED to accept Him as their Savior, and another thing to say that they were unaware that He was their Savior.

As you go through the Gospels -- particularly the Gospel of John -- you find Christ presenting Himself as Savior to the Jews. Also, even before Christ began His public ministry, John the Baptizer presented Him as the Savior.

The Jews were looking for a Savior to save them from Rome and their oppressors, one who would restore the kingdom of Israel and reestablish the throne of David and place the government upon His shoulders.

Yes, Christ prophesied of His death, burial and resurrection, but not until after the resurrection did He open up their understanding to what happened. No one saw it coming. Even after His resurrection the disciples were wondering about the restoration of the kingdom of Israel:

Acts 1
6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

The Lord didn't rebuke them for such a question, rather He told them it is not for them to know.

 

[Nehemiah6]

The Jews were looking for a Savior to save them from Rome and their oppressors, one who would restore the kingdom of Israel and reestablish the throne of David and place the government upon His shoulders.

Regardless of what the Jews were looking for, Christ presented Himself as Savior over and over again. And many believed on Him and were saved. Someone said that people did not know that Jesus was the Savior. They did know and yet rejected him.

 

[LW97]

Well, first Jesus was planning to build up his kingdom. I mean, why would he preached the Gospel of Kingdom (Matthew 4:23) then?

 

[John146]

Regardless of what the Jews were looking for, Christ presented Himself as Savior over and over again. And many believed on Him and were saved. Someone said that people did not know that Jesus was the Savior. They did know and yet rejected him.

Not one believed in His death, burial and resurrection for sins. Not one person was at the tomb waiting for His triumphant resurrection. His disciples were hiding out in the upper room wondering what had happened and what to do next. When told, they thought it was an idle tale.