Why O.T. Sacrifices At All?

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Budman

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This may sound like a stupid question, but I've been mulling this over in my head for awhile.

If people in Old Testament times were saved the same way we are (by placing their faith in the Messiah - they, looking ahead, we looking back) why were the animal sacrifices needed at all? Why didn't God simply instruct them to place their faith in the promised Messiah to come?

The shedding of the blood of bulls and goats wouldn't get sins forgiven. Abraham simply believed and he was declared righteous.

So why the sacrifices?
 

Nehemiah6

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So why the sacrifices?
God has given us the answers in the epistle to the Hebrews.

1.And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. (Heb 9:22).

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For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? (Heb 9:13,14).

Actually the entire chapter will answer your question. Israel and the world needed to learn a very critical lesson: that only the shed blood of an innocent animal can make atonement for sins. But sins were only *covered* in the Old Covenant. They could not be removed. And this would prepare human hearts for the Lamb of God "which taketh away the sin of the world".
 

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[FONT=comic\ sans\ ms]The sacrifices were a type and shadow of what was to come with Jesus Christ. Sin demands death, "For the wages of sin is death". So, God was showing this to us through the sacrifices of the animals. Then Jesus came and met that demand for us, "but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." [/FONT] :eek:

[FONT=comic\ sans\ ms]The very first sacrifice was when God killed a beast to cover Adam and Eve. That was a foreshadowing of what was to come with Jesus Christ.[/FONT]
 

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This may sound like a stupid question, but I've been mulling this over in my head for awhile.

If people in Old Testament times were saved the same way we are (by placing their faith in the Messiah - they, looking ahead, we looking back) why were the animal sacrifices needed at all? Why didn't God simply instruct them to place their faith in the promised Messiah to come?

The shedding of the blood of bulls and goats wouldn't get sins forgiven. Abraham simply believed and he was declared righteous.

So why the sacrifices?
The sacrifices of the OT where symbolic signs of the coming effectual sacrifice of the LORD Jesus Christ.. They never secured Atonement for the people but pointed towards the truly unblemished sacrifice that would secure atonement for the people..
 
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The sacrifices of the OT where symbolic signs of the coming effectual sacrifice of the LORD Jesus Christ.. They never secured Atonement for the people but pointed towards the truly unblemished sacrifice that would secure atonement for the people..
That was...ALOT...of symbolic sacrifices.
 
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This may sound like a stupid question, but I've been mulling this over in my head for awhile.

If people in Old Testament times were saved the same way we are (by placing their faith in the Messiah - they, looking ahead, we looking back) why were the animal sacrifices needed at all? Why didn't God simply instruct them to place their faith in the promised Messiah to come?

The shedding of the blood of bulls and goats wouldn't get sins forgiven. Abraham simply believed and he was declared righteous.

So why the sacrifices?
Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins.

They still needed their sins covered with blood,but the blood of animals could not completely take away their sins,and every year their sins of the past had to be covered again by the blood of animals.

It is like John's baptism of repentance which those in the book of Acts that were baptized unto John's baptism had to be rebaptized in the name of the Lord.

Like they had to do physical ordinances in the Old Testament to be right with God,where in the New Testament we do not go by the physical ordinances but go by the 2 greatest laws love God,and love people,the spiritual laws.

They still had to have their sins covered by the blood of animals although they were not saved spiritually by that,and they had to do physical ordinances although they were not saved spiritually by that.

Although the blood of animals could not provide spiritual salvation it still kept Israel right with God by covering their sins until Jesus came.

If the blood of animals did not cover their sins would Israel of been right with God and His people,for their sins would of caused them to be like the heathen nations in the eyes of God,so their sins had to be covered by the blood of animals to be right with God during the physical covenant.

Before the Old Testament they were considered right with God if they offered animals sacrifices before Israel became a nation,like Noah,and Abraham.

Looking to the Messiah to come was not enough to keep them right with God during the Old Testament but they had to have their sins covered by the blood of animals to be considered right with God during that time.

And if they believed in the Messiah to come but refused to have animals sacrificed for their sins would they have been saved,for their sins would of not been covered and would of been on their record when they died,so how can the blood of Jesus take away their sins in the after life if they died with sins on their record.

But if they died with their sins covered by the blood of animals then in the after life the blood of Jesus can take away their sins.

We repent and confess Christ and we are saved,so the blood of animals was like their way of repenting and confessing Christ in the after life.

Whatever state we are in when we die we stay in that state for eternity,so if they died and did not have their sins covered by animals then there is sin on their record,and nothing can be done about it in the after life,but if the sins are covered by the blood of animals then the blood of Jesus can wash them away.

They say that the righteousness of Christ is given us when we are saved,but the Bible says that those who do not do righteousness,an action,are not of God.

They say we are saved by faith alone,but love is greater than faith,and Paul said he could have all faith so that he could remove mountains,but if he did not have charity,love in action,he is nothing,and those that heap money to themselves for their wants have erred from the faith,and James said if they do not have charity,love in action,by helping the poor if they can,then their faith is dead,and John said the love of God does not dwell in them,so do not love in word only,but in deed and in truth,so faith is an action.

The Bible says the Lord knows them that are His having this seal,that everybody that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity,and do not depart from the living God by the deceitfulness of sin,so we have to have the action to abstain from sin by the Spirit.

Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

Faith works by love,for love is greater than faith,and everything stems from love not faith.

1Th 1:3 Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father.
2Th 1:11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power.

It is the work of faith,for everything is a work.

Love has to be in actions,and faith has to be in actions.

It is not enough to say I have faith but you have to have actions or there is no faith.

They could look to the Messiah to come but that is not enough,for without doing the physical ordinances,and having their sins covered by the blood of Christ they are not right with God while on earth,and they die with sins on their record that cannot be washed away in the after life by the blood of Jesus.
 

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This may sound like a stupid question, but I've been mulling this over in my head for awhile.

If people in Old Testament times were saved the same way we are (by placing their faith in the Messiah - they, looking ahead, we looking back) why were the animal sacrifices needed at all? Why didn't God simply instruct them to place their faith in the promised Messiah to come?

The shedding of the blood of bulls and goats wouldn't get sins forgiven. Abraham simply believed and he was declared righteous.

So why the sacrifices?
Maby you should ask God. I am just Reading leviticus. The Way God instructed Moses to Work out this Sacrifices showes me that it must be very important for Him and showes also how sin is in the eyes of God.
 

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This may sound like a stupid question, but I've been mulling this over in my head for awhile.

If people in Old Testament times were saved the same way we are (by placing their faith in the Messiah - they, looking ahead, we looking back) why were the animal sacrifices needed at all? Why didn't God simply instruct them to place their faith in the promised Messiah to come?

The shedding of the blood of bulls and goats wouldn't get sins forgiven. Abraham simply believed and he was declared righteous.

So why the sacrifices?
In some ways, doesn't the sacrificial system being a shadow of the Messiah also give those under the Law a level of accountability?

John 5:46-47 King James Version (KJV)

46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Its right there in front of our eyes; so many shadows of the things to come, pointing to the Messiah Jesus Christ.
 

John146

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This may sound like a stupid question, but I've been mulling this over in my head for awhile.

If people in Old Testament times were saved the same way we are (by placing their faith in the Messiah - they, looking ahead, we looking back) why were the animal sacrifices needed at all? Why didn't God simply instruct them to place their faith in the promised Messiah to come?

The shedding of the blood of bulls and goats wouldn't get sins forgiven. Abraham simply believed and he was declared righteous.

So why the sacrifices?
No such thing as "looking forward to the cross." Not even Jesus' closest disciples knew about His death, burial and resurrection for sins. It was kept in mystery form until after the resurrection. Yes, many OT prophets prophesied of that day, but that does not mean they understood what they were saying.

1 Peter 1
9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

 
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This may sound like a stupid question, but I've been mulling this over in my head for awhile.

If people in Old Testament times were saved the same way we are (by placing their faith in the Messiah - they, looking ahead, we looking back) why were the animal sacrifices needed at all? Why didn't God simply instruct them to place their faith in the promised Messiah to come?

The shedding of the blood of bulls and goats wouldn't get sins forgiven. Abraham simply believed and he was declared righteous.

So why the sacrifices?
Budman I think I know what your asking so if I'm off track here let me know.
The blood of the sacrifice was to blot out sins and transgressions. Remember God cannot look upon sin nor does he dwell in a place of sin.
The blood blotted out so that God could once again inter act with his people. Sorta a temporary fix untill Messiah came.
Abraham first covenant with God was actually a pagan rite of agreement. Abraham sold and made pagan statues. Showing God will meet us where we are but loves us enough to not let us stay that way. After years Abraham developed a relationship with God becoming God's friend by believing God at his word.
 

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Budman, what makes you think the Israelites were offered salvation like what we have. In Israel, the general public did not have any salvation promise. They simply had God as their king/ruler. A few here and there were able to be called of God and used for His purposes.

That said, God did offer salvation to a select few prophets, kings and shepherd boys. Then they could apply scriptures like this: 2 Chr. 15:2:
"And he went out to meet Asa and said to him, “Hear me, Asa, and all Judah and Benjamin: The LORD is with you while you are with him. If you seek him, he will be found by you, but if you forsake him, he will forsake you."

That is when the animal sacrifices would apply for the sins and could be later substituted by the real blood of Christ. If nothing else, the people could understand that sin was serious: blood serious.

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One of the reasons is to show everybody that nobody is able to fulfill the standards of holiness and purity of the Eternal One, except Christ.
 

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This may sound like a stupid question, but I've been mulling this over in my head for awhile.

If people in Old Testament times were saved the same way we are (by placing their faith in the Messiah - they, looking ahead, we looking back) why were the animal sacrifices needed at all? Why didn't God simply instruct them to place their faith in the promised Messiah to come?

The shedding of the blood of bulls and goats wouldn't get sins forgiven. Abraham simply believed and he was declared righteous.

So why the sacrifices?
According to most Jewish scholars, eternal life did not exist.

[h=1]Did the ancient Jews believe in life after death?[/h]“Most of the scholarly world agrees that there is no concept of immortality of life after death in the Old Testament.”[SUP][1][/SUP] With these words, George Mendenhall summarizes the consensus of critical academics regarding the afterlife in the Hebrew Bible. Even many Jewish thinkers deny an afterlife. For instance in a 1991 interview, Jewish professor Yeshayahu Leibowitz said,
Death has no significance… only life matters… In the entire Torah there is not the slightest suggestion that anything happens after death. All the ideas and theories articulated on the subject of a world to come and the resurrection of the dead have no relationship to religious faith. It is sheer folklore. After you die, you simply do not exist.[SUP][SUP][[/SUP][/SUP]
 

Budman

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No such thing as "looking forward to the cross." Not even Jesus' closest disciples knew about His death, burial and resurrection for sins. It was kept in mystery form until after the resurrection. Yes, many OT prophets prophesied of that day, but that does not mean they understood what they were saying.
If the blood of bulls and goats could never remove sins, how were people saved before/apart from, Christ?
 

Budman

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Budman, what makes you think the Israelites were offered salvation like what we have. In Israel, the general public did not have any salvation promise. They simply had God as their king/ruler. A few here and there were able to be called of God and used for His purposes. That said, God did offer salvation to a select few prophets, kings and shepherd boys
And the rest of the people were damned?
 

Budman

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But if they died with their sins covered by the blood of animals then in the after life the blood of Jesus can take away their sins.

We repent and confess Christ and we are saved,so the blood of animals was like their way of repenting and confessing Christ in the after life.
Are you saying they were offered a second chance after death?
 

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Budman, the blood of Christ is applied forward and backward. The animal blood only offered a stay until the blood of the real Lamb of God was shed. It is simple enough, nothing is apart from Christ.

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Budman

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Budman, the blood of Christ is applied forward and backward. The animal blood only offered a stay until the blood of the real Lamb of God was shed. It is simple enough, nothing is apart from Christ.

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That's pretty much what I said about looking forward to the promised Messiah through faith. But I am still hard-pressed as to why that was not all that was required.
 

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That's pretty much what I said about looking forward to the promised Messiah through faith. But I am still hard-pressed as to why that was not all that was required.
Doesn't it make it easier to share the Gospel with Jews who are familiar with the sacrificial system to visualize who the Messiah is, having been made a sacrifice Himself? They understand the premise behind the necessity for blood shed in order to receive remission, so then it paints the picture clearer when it comes to the Messiah and the sins of the world (Him being the propitiation).

Not only was it a shadow, but as scripture says, the Law was our school master leading us to Christ, and that is what the sacrificial system in part does.