Why such hatred for the seventh day?

Hoffco · Jul 9, 2014

Sorry, Chubena , you speak as a "fool". as Job's wife. If you love the seventh day too much, you will end up like Lots wife, a pillar of salt for the burning. This is very serious, Legalists do not love God, they love their own laws, imposed upon others wrongfully. Love to all. Judge as obeying the laws of liberty and mercy or you will not receive mercy, just cold justice. Flee the wrath to come. Love, hoffco

RedTent · Jul 9, 2014

RachelBibleStudent said:

I am absolutely nothing but one of millions of people who study and try to learn about God, absolutely no one is to follow any other person, only follow God. If you are listening to people to follow instead of scripture, you are going to get off track.

Threads never say you, Rachel are etc and etc. It is Rachel who says people who disagree with Rachel who are so awful. Threads say what they believe about Sabbath keeping. It is you who assigns righteousness to Sabbath Keepers, these people are too busy learning scripture to strut in front of you. Besides, they do know scripture and know no one is righteous.

Your posts object to any scripture telling of Sabbath keeping as the thing we are told to do, say it is bad demeanor, while you guys stomp about shouting how much better and more spiritual you are, shouting bad names at us.

Grandpa · Jul 9, 2014

MrsRoseTreasure said:

I'm pretty sure that the true will of God is not concerned with polyester/cotton blended clothing.

But what God is concerned with is that the schoolmaster bring us to Christ so we can learn what the shadow was teaching us.

Those who still attempt to keep the law by their carnal understanding and their flesh and wills fail. Just like the Pharisees before them.

Romans 9:31-33
[SUP]31 [/SUP]But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
[SUP]33 [/SUP]As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Christ and Christ alone. No blending of condemnation with no condemnation...

Hoffco · Jul 9, 2014

Redtent, you are dead wrong, Christ gives us the real understanding of the O.T.. the O.T. does not give us understanding of Christ . You are crucifying Christ a fresh for the shadows of the OLd. YOUR soul is in he balance. Christ Christ. Love to you, Hoffco

RedTent · Jul 9, 2014

RachelBibleStudent said:

I am absolutely nothing but one of millions of people who study and try to learn about God, absolutely no one is to follow any other person, only God.

Threads never say you, Rachel are etc and etc. It is Rachel who says people who disagree with Rachel who are so awful. Threads say what they believe about Sabbath keeping. It is you who assigns righteousness to Sabbath Keepers, these people are too busy learning scripture to strut in front of you. Besides, they do know scripture and know no one is righteous.

Your posts object to any scripture telling of Sabbath keeping as the thing we are told to do, say it is bad demeanor, while you guys stomp about shouting how much better and more spiritual you are, shouting bad names at us.

Hoffco · Jul 9, 2014

Sorry,MrsRosetreasure, You are playing God when you judge us as sinners for keeping Sunday. We commemorate Jesus, victory over sin and the law. You are shaming Jesus with you O.T. practices. Love to all, Hoffco

Hoffco · Jul 9, 2014

You may worship on any day you wish; But you can not condemn one for worshiping on Sunday or Monday. etc. Love to all, Hoffco

RedTent · Jul 9, 2014

Hoffco said:

That doesn't make sense to me. Not at all. The Old testament is scripture and the Holy Spirit is needed to understand scripture, all of it. My soul is in balance because I look in the Old Testament to learn? Did God cut off the shadows of what they are a shadow of, saying don't learn anything about the shadows? Did the shadows not relate to Christ? I can see that if we did not read Old and New scripture, but thought animal blood was called for because we ignored a part of scripture like many want to ignore OT scripture, then it could be crucifying Christ. God gave us 78% of scripture to tell us about the one true God, and 12% of the rest is repeating the OT. Could this scripture actually put my soul in balance by learning from it? I don't see how you can think these things are truth.

BradC · Jul 9, 2014

RedTent said:

Red Tent, other than the commandment to love God and to love your neighbor is there any commandment under grace that we have been given in the NT that you hold as dear as keeping the Sabbath? Is the command of our Lord to go and preach the gospel in all nations and to every creature a holy command? Does not this command have the power of God unto salvation turning sinners to God's righteousness and from the error of their way? Is not this the command that Jesus fulfilled Himself when He came to seek and save that which is lost? Is not this the command that Jesus gave to His disciple just before He ascended to the Father? Is not this a greater command then to keep the Sabbath? Is not this a command that every believer can keep and do as they are empowered by the Holy Spirit through grace? Does not this command come with promise, love, faith and hope for all men? Without this command given how shall men hear? This is what I read in the scripture and it is how the church came to be.

Hoffco · Jul 9, 2014

Sorry, Redtent , your post 208 is an UNJUSTIFIED, UNDESERVING SLAP to CHRIST ; YET, you are BLIND to the EVIL you are saying. ???? Love to all, Hoffco.

RedTent · Jul 9, 2014

Hoffco said:

Let's take it one by one. Is the Holy Spirit needed to read scripture? May we learn from the Old testament? Are the shadows we are told about unrelated to the real thing? Can what we learn in the Old Testament put our souls in danger?

These are the things I understand you saying has put my very soul in danger, now you say it is uncalled for????? Why has my reporting of scripture put my soul in danger? What have I reported that makes me dead in the Lord?

RedTent · Jul 9, 2014

BradC said:

I have wondered if God sees one command as above others. Scripture says if we try to use our own power to be saved, breaking any command would cancel all others we do keep. Yet there is the greatest command, to love God and our neighbor, it is above all others. There is this about the Sabbath, the seventh day was part of creation.

I read in scripture that when Israel was punished for having temples to idols, Hezekiah wasn't punished for leaving the golden calves when he destroyed the other idol temples, so worshipping golden calves to represent the One True God wasn't considered as bad as idol worship. It is the only other place in the bible I found that one sin was different from other sins.

I should think that God does not want us to worship anything other than Him, and Sabbath would be included.

What do you think?

StoneThrower · Jul 9, 2014

RedTent said:

To read it no, for discernment yes.

RedTent said:

Absolutely without a good foundation of the Old you miss a lot and don't even realize the New Testament authors are quoting old testament scriptures.

RedTent said:

Depends there are types and shadows but you can get carried away with it, if its a type does it have a clear Anti-type, if its a shadow a fuzzy picture does it have a clear fulfillment?

RedTent said:

Learn no, misapply yes.

RedTent · Jul 9, 2014

StoneThrower said:

A clear answer I can check, thank you!! I thought that all shadows were incomplete, not filled in, pictures of what they were shadows of. For instance, Levi High Priests are a shadow of Christ. They did what Christ does but incompletely, and not as clear. Still, by looking at them we can see the clear picture of Christ as the High Priest for our understanding. Is this not so?

By misapply, do you mean don't use some of what OT tells to use, but what Christ has replaced so we are now told to use Christ not the shadow? That would be misapply. Do you have something else in mind?

StoneThrower · Jul 9, 2014

RedTent said:

Like the Tabernacle:
“Theshadowy picture of the earthly tabernacle representing God dwelling with manhas now become a reality. The shadow is now substance.

“CHRISTIS THE DOOR (to enter the temple)
Jesussaid, “I am the door; if anyone enters through Me, he shall be saved.” John10:9

CHRISTIS THE LAVER (laver was used to cleanse so the priests could enter the Holy Place intoGod’s presence)
Petersaid to Him, “Never shall you wash my feet.” Jesus answered him, “If I do notwash you, you have no part of Me.” John 13:8

CHRISTIS THE LAMPSTAND
Jesusspoke to them saying, “I am the light of the world; he who follows Me shall notwalk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.” John 8:12

CHRISTIS THE SHOWBREAD
Jesussaid to them, “I am the bread of life; he who comes to Me shall not hunger.”John 6:35

CHRIST IS THE ALTAR OF INCENSE (symbolizingintercession) He is able to save forever those who draw near to God throughHim, since He always lives to make intercession for them. Hebrews 7:25

CHRIST IS THEVEIL (the priests had to go through the veil to get to God) We have confidenceto enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus, by a new and living way which Heinaugurated for us through the veil, that is, His flesh. Heb. 10:19, 20.

CHRIST IS THEMERCY SEAT (the seat was on top of the ark and the blood of goats was placed onthe mercy seat for the covering of sins) Jesus Christ, whom God displayedpublicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. Romans 3:25.

CHRIST IS THE HIGH PRIEST For it was fittingthat we should have such a high priest, holy, innocent, undefiled, separatedfrom sinners and exalted above the heavens. Hebrews 7:26.

CHRIST IS THE SACRIFICE By this we willhave been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once forall. Hebrews 10:10.” Sermon Covenant ByTodd Friel [SUP][/SUP]

RedTent said:

By taking something that was not written to us and apply it to us. All of Gods word is profitable for us but not all of it was written directly to us. For example you wouldn't stone someone as you understand it was written to those people at that time.

RedTent · Jul 9, 2014

StoneThrower said:

Isn't it amazing how scripture has so many layers of meaning in each of the very words! It seems to me each time I read it, another layer is opened up, each with such beauty. I feel so sorry for people who cannot see the layers or find the unifying thread in all scripture.

To me, it all applies to us, even the stoning. Certainly not scripture to be read only literally. We are told never to read scripture without looking for the spirit and truth in the literal. It was government after a trial that did the stoning, now we have our courts and jails. Sometimes they assigned people to do the stoning, but the spirit and truth of it was always that God loves us and wants justice and security for us all. But I can see your point. Some people take it so far that much of scripture is "not for them".

Karraster · Jul 9, 2014

MrsRoseTreasure said:

I feel blessed to have read this discussion over my morning tea today. Thank you all for this wonderful conversation.

I have been a Sabbath keeper my entire adult life. 23 years if memory serves me. It's been lonely for much of that, as the people around me have not been Sabbath keepers. I have learned to accept the peculiar nature of that life, as it certainly separates me from nearly everyone around me. (1 Peter 2:9)

This is a really great article: What is the Seal of God? - Bible Revelation Keeping of the law is the "mark of Yah." It is his law sealed into our heads that sets "His People" apart from the people who follow the Whore of Babylon.

My answer to the stated question; "why so much hatred?"

By the very act of keeping the Sabbath, a believer makes non-Sabbath keepers wrong. That is true of all of the set-apart behaviors of the Yehudim, or Netzrayim. Many believers do not eat unclean meat, do not keep unclean feasts, and do not wear mixed clothing. Not as an act of works to get into heaven, but in a humble desire to be as pleasing to the King as possible. By committing these acts, these believers reflect back the true will of our Father, and shine a light on the sinfulness of Sun-day keepers. By keeping the law, they are revealing the wrongness of what mainstream believers are doing. I'm probably not saying this very well. No one wants to be told they are doing wrong when they have been told and live in certainty that they are right. It's very humbling to realize that one's behavior, which was thought to be holy, is actually profanity in the eyes of your God. It's hard to admit to being lied to, and harder still that we believed the lie.

Humble thyself in the sight of Yah, and he shall lift you up. Amen.

Thank you so much for stating so eloquently many things I want to say.

I think you nailed it!

BradC · Jul 9, 2014

RedTent said:

I think you have avoided the the greatest commission that God has given to man and you have sacrificed it on the altar of the Sabbath. That is a shame because it is the greatest and highest calling that we can have here in this world and it takes the grace of God and the Holy Spirit to fulfill it.

Galatians2-20 · Jul 9, 2014

I don't take issue with the seventh day however, I do take issue with those who refuse to recognize the New Testament fulfillment of the sabbath. Christ himself stated that He did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it and that He did.... the entire law including the sabbath.

None but Christ could fulfill the law then and none but Christ can fulfill the law now. That is why Christ gave us His Spirit, to both inhabit and empower New Testament saints, to do in and through us what mankind could never do for ourselves since the fall of Adam.

The Old Testament law reveals to us not only the divine character of God but also mankind's inability to fulfill the law through human striving. Christ came to earth and gave his life so that right fellowship between God and man might be restored in the form of the indwelling Holy Spirit. New Testament believers now have access to everything necessaary to live a life pleasing to God through His Spirit if, and only if, those who are inhabited by His Spirit willingfully lay down their lives so that Christ can live His life in and through them. The Holy Spirit does the work, those He indwells simply follow his lead and enjoys the REST that only His divine presence can provide.

Unfortunately, very few New Testament saints seem to understand much less reside in His REST.

Stephen63 · Jul 9, 2014

Jesus rose from the dead on the first day of the week (Matt. 28:1-7; Mark 16:2, 9; Luke 24:1; John 20:1).
Jesus appeared to the disciples on the first day of the week (John 20:19).
Jesus appeared inside the room to the eleven disciples eight days after the first day of the week. The Jewish way of measuring days meant that it was again Sunday (John 20:26).
The Holy Spirit came on Pentecost, the first day of the week (Lev. 23:16; Acts 2:1).
The first sermon was preached by Peter on the first day of the week (Acts 2:14).
Three thousand converts joined the church on the first day of the week (Acts 2:41).
The three thousand were baptized on the first day of the week (Acts 2:41).
The Christians assembled broke bread on the first day of the week.
The Christians also heard a message from Paul on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7). [Note: the reference is until midnight which is not the Jewish method of measuring days, but the Roman system.]
Paul instructed the churches to put aside contributions on the first day of the week (1 Cor. 16:2).
Jesus gave the apostle John the vision of Revelation on the first day of the week (Rev. 1:10).

Sheesh, I played internet theologian & did a quick Google search & found this on the first site checked...... It's really not that hard, guys.

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