Why such hatred for the seventh day?

[just-me]

It was the sacrificial temple ordinance laws that Christ fulfilled for the remission of sins. This represents all of the things that the Levitical priesthood was responsible for in the Old Covenant. Love is now the law described first in Leviticus 19 and Deuteronomy 6 and confirmed by Christ. Through Christ Jesus, this capability is given for us to fulfill. Of course there are more instructions defining God's agape love in both Old and New Testament laws that are our response because He loved us first.

It was the entire Law that Jesus fulfilled perfectly on our behalf; because we are imperfect and unable to keep it ourselves.

Ro 8:1-11
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
KJV

Does that mean that it's all on Christ now, and we are exempt from any accountability defined in the scriptures that I mentioned in Leviticus 19 and Deuteronomy 6?

I'll quote the "love they neighbor" instructions found in Leviticus 19:9-18 just to make this post short, even though I have read more about the way I should act. I feel that our part is to love with accountability defined in the law.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the Lord your God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And ye shall not swear by my name falsely, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the Lord.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbour, neither rob him: the wages of him that is hired shall not abide with thee all night until the morning.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the Lord.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour; I am the Lord.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.

This is a small part of what hangs on the law of love as I believe in the fulfillment of Christ for salvation. Through Christ, I think what I quoted, from the law, is possible to adhere to by His dwelling Spirit. We should practice the principles which leads to having the "mind of Christ."

"But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26

 

[john832]

Well, you're wrong. The Galatians had come under the influence of Judaizers. There are plenty of other verses cited, as to the law and the position of the Christian in Christ. You believe the Bible, or you don't. Of course, people who are under the influence of a false gospel and writings of cult false prophets believe the lies, don't believe things clear in the Bible. What else is new?

And Jesus Christ said these things...

Mat 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Luk 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail.

Mat 19:17 So He said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."

And Paul said these things...

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

Perhaps you should read the entire book of Galatians in context with Paul's other writings.

As for "weak and beggarly things"....

Gal 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world.
Gal 4:4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law,
Gal 4:5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.

(Redeemed from the penalty of sin which is the transgression of the Law: I John 3:4)

Gal 4:8 But then, indeed, when you did not know God, you served those which by nature are not gods.
Gal 4:9 But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage?

Serving things which were not God? The Law came from God's mouth...

Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying:

Notice who was doing the speaking here?

So what are the weak and beggarly things?

Gal 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world.

Pulling a verse or a few verses out of context to disagree with the weight of scripture is very poor exegesis and puts one in this position...

2Pe 3:15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you,
2Pe 3:16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

 

[john832]

I don't hate the seventh day, but I am saddened by those who insist everyone observes a Saturday Sabbath. In my view they have not come into the fulness of the christian faith. Have a Saturday as your specific Sabbath if that is what you want to do, but don't insist everyone must do the same.

Yeah, I understand your position very well. Obedience to God, DOING what HE says to do, is difficult for some...

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.

Christ said keep the Commandments...

Mat 19:17 So He said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."

Paul agreed...

1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

John agreed...

1Jn 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

But you disagree. OK, suit yourself.

 

[john832]

Isn't it Ironic?

Its like rain, on my sabbath day...

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

The carnal keeping of the sabbath was a schoolmaster to teach what the true Rest that only Christ gives would be.

Funny, you missed this part...

Mat 19:17 So He said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."

And this part...

Heb 4:9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.

And just what is that rest?

The word is Sabbatismos and means keeping the Sabbath...

Heb 4:9 Therefore remains a keeping of a sabbath for the people of the God. - Diaglott

 

[john832]

It was the entire Law that Jesus fulfilled perfectly on our behalf; because we are imperfect and unable to keep it ourselves.

Ro 8:1-11

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
KJV

So if I kill someone, that is OK because Christ did not?

How about adultery? Because Christ kept the seventh Commandment and filled it full (fulfilled it) I am now free to break it?

That what you are trying to say here?

 

[john832]

People have a choice. False prophets, like Ellen White, or the word of God. Heaven help those who don't choose the latter. John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

This gets quoted a lot by those who wish to discount the Law, funny thing is that Paul doesn't get quoted here...

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.

 

[Grandpa]

Funny, you missed this part...

Mat 19:17 So He said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."

And this part...

Heb 4:9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God.

And just what is that rest?

The word is Sabbatismos and means keeping the Sabbath...

Heb 4:9 Therefore remains a keeping of a sabbath for the people of the God. - Diaglott

Working at the law is rest? Nice try. But that is an epic fail.

You are confused because you know no other way.

Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

You can call rest sabatismos or any other word you want to. But you can't twist it to mean working at the law.

Maybe keeping the sabbath means something different than what you were taught? Probably...

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

What is this rest? Rest from having to obtain goats and sheep? Certainly, it is much more than that.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

 

[JaumeJ]

According to the Word, Jesus is God. This means He is The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. One place in particular that spells this our fo any who believe is Isaiah 9:6.

God, that is our Father, created the heaven and the earth and all contined therin in six days. He rested on the Seventh Day. He hallowed it, that is made it separate from the other days, as a gift for all who love Him.

It does not bother me an iota what day any choose to observe the Sabbath, rest, of the Lord, but God never changed the Seventh Day to the first day. With all the Seventh Day represents and symoblizes, the thought is perverse.

Do not fault each othe for the day it is recognize, but at the same time do not deceive yourselves into thinking the Seventh Day is now the first because it is not.

Because I love the Word, Which is God my Savior, i attempt to do my best to do as He teaches us, not as men teach their own traditions as some kind of commandment from God. God Is Jesus after all.

 

[Grandpa]

So if I kill someone, that is OK because Christ did not?

How about adultery? Because Christ kept the seventh Commandment and filled it full (fulfilled it) I am now free to break it?

That what you are trying to say here?

Which of the fruit of the spirit will cause a person to break the law?

Will the fruit of the spirit cause us to kill people or commit adultery?

Will our keeping of the law cause any of the fruit of the spirit to be grown or is there a better hope out there for us???

 

[valiant]

This gets quoted a lot by those who wish to discount the Law, funny thing is that Paul doesn't get quoted here...

Rom 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.

which is why he needed to be free from the Law so that he could be united with Christ.

 

[Grandpa]

According to the Word, Jesus is God. This means He is The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. One place in particular that spells this our fo any who believe is Isaiah 9:6.

God, that is our Father, created the heaven and the earth and all contined therin in six days. He rested on the Seventh Day. He hallowed it, that is made it separate from the other days, as a gift for all who love Him.

It does not bother me an iota what day any choose to observe the Sabbath, rest, of the Lord, but God never changed the Seventh Day to the first day. With all the Seventh Day represents and symoblizes, the thought is perverse.

Do not fault each othe for the day it is recognize, but at the same time do not deceive yourselves into thinking the Seventh Day is now the first because it is not.

Because I love the Word, Which is God my Savior, i attempt to do my best to do as He teaches us, not as men teach their own traditions as some kind of commandment from God. God Is Jesus after all.

Not as men try to teach their own traditions. According to a carnal understanding.

Hebrews 7:18-19
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Hebrews 4:10-11

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Galatians 3:24-25

[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

People can't just teach other people that they aren't under the law. You have to come to Christ and He has to give you rest. After this rest is given a person is free to meet with other believers on any day, not just one. We can have rest on every day, not just one.

The Lord Jesus teaches to come to Him and He will give you Rest. All that was written before was to lead you to that moment.

All of His Word is designed to bring you to Him. So He can give you rest. This isn't some intellectual concept that you can put into some religious sacrament and pretend you are doing it.

You have to believe He Is, and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.

I didn't know all of this before I came to Him. I was just having a hard time, like the story of the prodigal son, and needed help. I didn't understand what I was asking for or what I would recieve. I suppose no one does, at first.

Oh well, back to your arguing over which religion is the best and most "biblical".

 

[JaumeJ]

Where does the Word state the Seventh Day is now the first day of the week?

Again, I do not care about how men interpret the Word, nowhere does it tell me to say God rested on the first day. God is always the same, and, unlike men, He does not waver, nor are His desires so vague as to not be approached with understanding.

As the Word teaches, I will do my best to do as did Jesus Christ. God bless you , and know I have never faulted anyone for observing the day of rest. I will , hoever , always be suspicious of ay who say the Seventh day has been changed tot he first, because God did not hallow the day He began creating.

 

[john832]

Working at the law is rest? Nice try. But that is an epic fail.

Oddly enough, all I did was quote scripture. Since you discount works in any form, perhaps you can explain how you read these scriptures...

1Ti 2:10 but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works.

This disqualify all women?

1Ti 6:18 Let them do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to give, willing to share,

Now all are disqualified by your way of thinking.

Eph 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.

You are confused because you know no other way.

Seems you are the one confused. Works is an important aspect of a Christians walk.

Hebrews 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.

You can call rest sabatismos or any other word you want to. But you can't twist it to mean working at the law.

I did not call it Sabbatismos, that is the inspired Greek word for "rest" in verse 9. Seems a little study of what the scripture really says would do you some good.

Maybe keeping the sabbath means something different than what you were taught? Probably...

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

What is this rest? Rest from having to obtain goats and sheep? Certainly, it is much more than that.

John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

If you mean that breaking the fourth Commandment is the real understanding of keeping the Sabbath I think it is obvious that you are the one confused.

Christ kept the Sabbath...

Luk 4:16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read.

Christ said the Sabbath was made for man...

Mar 2:27 And He said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

He even said that He was the Lord of the Sabbath day...

Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath."

Paul kept the Sabbath...

Act 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,

It was his manner to teach on the Sabbath. He taught the Gentiles on the Sabbath...

Act 13:42 So when the Jews went out of the synagogue, the Gentiles begged that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath.

Act 13:44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God.

The WHOLE city, Gentiles and all.

Act 16:13 And on the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there.

Act 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

In 325AD Constantine made this edict...

Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday (Sabbath), but shall work on that Day: but the Lord’s Day, they shall especially honour; and as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out from Christ

Now why did he have to do this THREE HUNDRED YEARS after the crucifixion? Because Christians were still KEEPING the Sabbath.

 

[john832]

Which of the fruit of the spirit will cause a person to break the law?

Will the fruit of the spirit cause us to kill people or commit adultery?

Will our keeping of the law cause any of the fruit of the spirit to be grown or is there a better hope out there for us???

What difference does it make? You believe the Law is done away so why does it matter?

 

[passing_through]

4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
Romans

Remember to not lift you coffee cup on the Sabbath

 

[john832]

which is why he needed to be free from the Law so that he could be united with Christ.

So, being freed from the Law allows one to lie, steal or kill? After all, those are Commandments of the Law and you claim to be free from them.

 

[JaumeJ]

No one should be able to find fault in imitating Jesus Christ as best possible. I know Paul did not.

1Jn 2:5 But whoever continually keeps his commandments is the kind of person in whom God's love has truly been perfected. This is how we can be sure that we are in union with God:
1Jn 2:6 The one who says that he abides in him must live the same way he himself lived.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Oh well, back to your arguing over which religion is the best and most "biblical".

This thread was posted by an Adventist who was always sneakily creating sabbath threads, and he, as well as others, would use posts with links in their closings, links to stealth Adventist websites, which don't even identify themselves as Adventists. Their cult instructs them not to reveal who they really are, or there's little chance of doing some Ellen White brainwashing, if people know it's doctrines of a false prophet cult. Apparently, being an Adventist allows for such blatant deception, hiding their "candle" under a bushel, sneaking around.

This thread is now a honey pot of Adventists to Hebrew roots, good to see the Jew-lites with their false gospels of legal bondage in one place, checkout who's in that congregation. But, Grandpa, except for you, it's looking like a heavy Page Down key day. Nothing to see here.

 

[john832]

This thread was posted by an Adventist who was always sneakily creating sabbath threads, and he, as well as others, would use posts with links in their closings, links to stealth Adventist websites, which don't even identify themselves as Adventists. Their cult instructs them not to reveal who they really are, or there's little chance of doing some Ellen White brainwashing, if people know it's doctrines of a false prophet cult. Apparently, being an Adventist allows for such blatant deception, hiding their "candle" under a bushel, sneaking around.

This thread is now a honey pot of Adventists to Hebrew roots, good to see the Jew-lites with their false gospels of legal bondage in one place, checkout who's in that congregation. But, Grandpa, except for you, it's looking like a heavy Page Down key day. Nothing to see here.

Nice attack. If you can't refute 'em, try to discredit 'em.

 

[JaumeJ]

What is understood from the written Word is transmitted to the reader only by the Holy Spirit. This is what I believe from the Holy Spirit and from reading.

One of my first reactions after having received the Holy Spirit was indignation as to how the theologies under the umbrella of Christianity have perverted the Word to the extent that many no longer recognize what they are hearing in order to be discerning.

Happily, I know by the same Holy Spirit, that no one who believes will be deceived for very long. The Love that is God will not permit this.

God bless all who are in Jesus Chrsit, and please, learn to recognize the difference bewteen the traditions of mkan taught as thw Word and the Word. God will direct you.

Many here may balk at what I have shred, however it is also always in my mind how in the latter times people with understanding will b efew, and scattered. I pray you are counted among them. God bless all in Jesus Christ, amen.