Why the king james?
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I have read the Word in several languages, and they all do say the same thing, the same message, and I also have it on good authority that our Father does not carry a passport nor wave a flag of any country, so yes, you are right.... I do like the KJVV among others, and I am certain you do too. If ou read the Word in more than one language you also know it is the same, you do, right?
Is been said several times in this thread. The Bible, or translation that "you get", or that causes you to become "cognizant" of HIS Spirit, Is the one you should read, and use as the guide, or for comparison to THAT, which is Holy and True. PERCHANCE, you should find yourself hungering and thirsting for righteousness sake, that's a good thing! If not? Well? That's a good thing as well. You believe and have accepted Jesus Christ of Nazareth as the "taker away of the sin of the world?", and have been baptized? THAT'S A GOOD THING! as well.
I myself have asked God for a "burning bush" scenerio, several times.....The answer I get is this: "SURE!!, I can do this for you! As blessed are those who have seen, and believed.....But, MORE BLESSED, are those who have NOT SEEN, Yet believe!"
So, perchance, the KJV bares an external witness to that which is occurring inwardly? Go with it!!
Same holds true to whatever "translation" of the Holy Bible you read.
I myself have asked God for a "burning bush" scenerio, several times.....The answer I get is this: "SURE!!, I can do this for you! As blessed are those who have seen, and believed.....But, MORE BLESSED, are those who have NOT SEEN, Yet believe!"
So, perchance, the KJV bares an external witness to that which is occurring inwardly? Go with it!!
Same holds true to whatever "translation" of the Holy Bible you read.
There's truth to be had in this verse:
Luke 10:1King James Version (KJV)
10 After these things the Lordappointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.
or
Luke 10:1New International Version (NIV)
Jesus Sends Out the Seventy-Two
10 After this the Lord appointed seventy-two[a] others and sent them two by two ahead of him to every town and place where he was about to go.
Did the Lord send out seventy or seventy-two? God's word is truth. Which one since they teach different truths? One is truth, and the other is not. Do you understand why it is important that you have the right one so God can teach you all truth?
Luke 10:1King James Version (KJV)
10 After these things the Lordappointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.
or
Luke 10:1New International Version (NIV)
Jesus Sends Out the Seventy-Two
10 After this the Lord appointed seventy-two[a] others and sent them two by two ahead of him to every town and place where he was about to go.
Did the Lord send out seventy or seventy-two? God's word is truth. Which one since they teach different truths? One is truth, and the other is not. Do you understand why it is important that you have the right one so God can teach you all truth?
Ezekiel-13: (NIV)
20 “ ‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I am against your magic charms with which you ensnare people like birds and I will tear them from your arms; I will set free the people that you ensnare like birds.
21 I will tear off your veils and save my people from your hands, and they will no longer fall prey to your power. Then you will know that I am the LORD.
KJV:
20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly , and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go , even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly .
21 Your kerchiefs also will I tear , and deliver my people out of your hand, and they shall be no more in your hand to be hunted; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
So, in this comparing scripture against scripture.......Which one holds true?
Do not construe facts as truth...... It is important to know all of the facts especially if it affects our understanding of truth. Facts cannot convey the truth of what we believe, for according to the Word we believe tand hope in things that cannot e seen.
We know that miracles, salvation, hope, faith and love cannot be proven by what is called science in this age, but we believe all the same. Whether there were 70 or 72 may be important to certain understanding but it has no bearing on the truly decisive knowledge of Jesus Christ for our salvation. I believe the translation shoulld read 70, however what I believe about this has no bearing on anyone's salvation.
Truth is eternal, while facts will go with the fire.
We know that miracles, salvation, hope, faith and love cannot be proven by what is called science in this age, but we believe all the same. Whether there were 70 or 72 may be important to certain understanding but it has no bearing on the truly decisive knowledge of Jesus Christ for our salvation. I believe the translation shoulld read 70, however what I believe about this has no bearing on anyone's salvation.
Truth is eternal, while facts will go with the fire.
G
This was the big one for me.
Romans 8:1~~
New American Standard Bible
Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
*26th ed. Nestles, Allen Text, American Bible Society; New York
**Gramcord Institute, 2218 NE Brookview Dr,; Vancouver WA 98686 *Greek ConC/Wrd==**Parsing ============ ==== Trans. of ROM 8: 1
T/ord oudeis 3762 neu adj nom s ------- nothing 1
ara 0686 ---- ---- --- -- conj--- therefore 2
vuv 3568 ---- adv --- -- ------- now 3
katakrima 2631 neu ---- nom s noun--- condemnation 4
o 3588 mas artl dat p ------- the 5
ev 1722 ---- ---- dat -- prep--- in 6
cristos 5547 mas ---- dat s noun--- Christ 7
insous 2424 mas ---- dat s noun--- Jesus 8
KJV~~King James BibleThere is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit......not in the original.
Romans 8:1~~
New American Standard Bible
Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
*26th ed. Nestles, Allen Text, American Bible Society; New York
**Gramcord Institute, 2218 NE Brookview Dr,; Vancouver WA 98686 *Greek ConC/Wrd==**Parsing ============ ==== Trans. of ROM 8: 1
T/ord oudeis 3762 neu adj nom s ------- nothing 1
ara 0686 ---- ---- --- -- conj--- therefore 2
vuv 3568 ---- adv --- -- ------- now 3
katakrima 2631 neu ---- nom s noun--- condemnation 4
o 3588 mas artl dat p ------- the 5
ev 1722 ---- ---- dat -- prep--- in 6
cristos 5547 mas ---- dat s noun--- Christ 7
insous 2424 mas ---- dat s noun--- Jesus 8
KJV~~King James BibleThere is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit......not in the original.
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Yea...the King Jimmie version added the ending of Romans 8:1 to this verse...they got it from verse 4. They couldn't leave verse 1 all by itself with out "qualifying" it. You have to remember the times the bible was written in and what was demanded of them when they translated it. All modern version have the correct scripture translated as in your example here in New American Standard.
I hear ya'.......they were instructed to "translate' some words by the society of the time..the way the church hierarchy was in place ..etc.
Now any one can go on the internet to find out things in the original language if one finds the right sources.. but even knowing the original languages is not enough.
We are just as dependent on the Holy Spirit to give us revelation on what the scriptures are saying about what Jesus has done for us in His finished work - as Mary was dependent on the Holy Spirit to conceive Jesus in her womb.
Now any one can go on the internet to find out things in the original language if one finds the right sources.. but even knowing the original languages is not enough.
We are just as dependent on the Holy Spirit to give us revelation on what the scriptures are saying about what Jesus has done for us in His finished work - as Mary was dependent on the Holy Spirit to conceive Jesus in her womb.
M
Tyndale...translated most of what was called the KJV..before the King and his cronies ever tried to hijack the faith through the church of England .. Tyndale was a true man of God and much of what many of us love about the KJV translation can be accounted directly to him... Be sure the KJV was written for reasons of power and control and certain verses was perverted to give false authority to the king and his "church".... But as a student of Greek, I believe the KJV overall to be the best translation from the Greek.
goodness, how on earth did Noah 'defend himself' against the whole world? Moses hadn't even written the Penteteuch at that time!
how did Paul defend the gospel of Christ before he had even written his own letters?
we are blessed to have revelation today in written testimony -- but it is not for us to defend ourselves, but for our Deliverer, and He has equipped us for every good work by giving us of His Spirit.
no matter how accurate the testimony in text you have, you cannot comprehend it unless the Spirit of God reveal it to you. this is why the Lord sent Philip to the Ethiopian, so that it could be shown to him what he was reading.
God is my defender.
not myself.
not a book.
the Lord Himself.
how did Paul defend the gospel of Christ before he had even written his own letters?
we are blessed to have revelation today in written testimony -- but it is not for us to defend ourselves, but for our Deliverer, and He has equipped us for every good work by giving us of His Spirit.
no matter how accurate the testimony in text you have, you cannot comprehend it unless the Spirit of God reveal it to you. this is why the Lord sent Philip to the Ethiopian, so that it could be shown to him what he was reading.
God is my defender.
not myself.
not a book.
the Lord Himself.
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How do you know it was not in the original? Do we have the original? I'll answer that, NOPE. What the Holy Spirit is saying to the believer is that there IS condemnation on them who walk after the flesh. Condemnation does not always deal with eternal things. The believer can face condemnation in the temporal by walking after the flesh and not after the Spirit.
Later, in Romans 14 Paul is dealing with maturity. Verse 21-23, "It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby they brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak. Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not faith is sin."
The eternal condemnation of the soul is not at stake here. This was the big one for me. Romans 8 is not dealing with eternal salvation, rather, overcoming the flesh in our walk.
Later, in Romans 14 Paul is dealing with maturity. Verse 21-23, "It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby they brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak. Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not faith is sin."
The eternal condemnation of the soul is not at stake here. This was the big one for me. Romans 8 is not dealing with eternal salvation, rather, overcoming the flesh in our walk.