Why the king james?
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Like I said, choose wisely.
The OT saints were not saved like we know salvation. They were kept safe upon death from God's wrath in Abraham's bosom until atonement could be made. They were given a word from God and they were to believe that word and follow it.
Were the OT saints:
Redeemed by the blood of the Lamb?
Born again?
Spiritually circumcised?
Sealed with the Holy Spirit?
Made a new creature in Christ?
Absent from the body and present with the Lord?
The OT saints were not saved like we know salvation. They were kept safe upon death from God's wrath in Abraham's bosom until atonement could be made. They were given a word from God and they were to believe that word and follow it.
Were the OT saints:
Redeemed by the blood of the Lamb?
Born again?
Spiritually circumcised?
Sealed with the Holy Spirit?
Made a new creature in Christ?
Absent from the body and present with the Lord?
The Messiah was promised all the way back in Genesis. The Old Testament believers were saved the same way we are - by placing their trust in the Messiah (Jesus) alone. They looked forward in faith, while we look back in faith.
The Bible says Jesus was "slain from the foundation of the world" (Revelation 13:8). God had a finished plan from the beginning. That's how God could credit the OT saints with the righteousness of Christ. They believed the Promise.
Name one OT saint who trusted in the death, burial and resurrection for the forgiveness of sins, please give Scripture. The Messiah was promised but no one knew about the cross. The "looking forward to the cross" argument is not Scriptural. Why give them the law? Jesus' own disciples did not know about His death, burial and resurrection. Paul says it was hid from the foundation of the world. It was in mystery form until the accomplished work on the cross.
The law of Moses required obedience(Leviticus 18:5, Ezekiel 20:11, Romans 10:5, Gal. 3:12). If a Jew broke a law and sinned, he then had to offer the proper animal sacrifice to atone for the sin. If he neglected the sacrifice or refused to offer it, he remained in a lost condition(Psalm 119:155). Since there was no new birth available until after Christ's glorification, all believers saved before then had nothing IN them to secure their salvation(John 7:39). Today, in the Church Age, many things happen INSIDE a believer, including regeneration(Titus 3:5), to secure a believers salvation regardless of works. Among other things believers today are "sealed" by the "Holy Spirit" "unto the day of redemption" (Ephesians 4:30) thus his destiny is certain.
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I guess the author of hebrews got it wrong.
Hebrews 10:4
For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.
like I said, I came from your world. I know what you believe,, Come out from it you it is not a good world to be in..
Even david acknowledged sacrifice and birth offering God did not desire.
Abraham was saved by faith
the law was a schoolmaster to lead people to Christ, it demanded perfection. no one could live by it, thus all were under a curse..
Hebrews 10:4
For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.
like I said, I came from your world. I know what you believe,, Come out from it you it is not a good world to be in..
Even david acknowledged sacrifice and birth offering God did not desire.
Abraham was saved by faith
the law was a schoolmaster to lead people to Christ, it demanded perfection. no one could live by it, thus all were under a curse..
Man was made righteous by upholding the law, keeping the commandments, being blameless. Sins were forgiven under the law but not forgotten.
Leviticus 19:21-22, "And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the Lord, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, even a ram for a trespass offering. And the priest shall make an atonement for him with the ram of the trespass offering before the Lord for his sin which he hath done: and the sin which he hath done shall be forgiven him."
Romans 10:5, "[SUP] [/SUP]For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them."
Exodus 34:7, "Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation."
Hebrews 11:40 says we have something better than they. The OT saints were forgiven, their sins were covered, but not washed away like the NT believer.
Leviticus 19:21-22, "And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the Lord, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, even a ram for a trespass offering. And the priest shall make an atonement for him with the ram of the trespass offering before the Lord for his sin which he hath done: and the sin which he hath done shall be forgiven him."
Romans 10:5, "[SUP] [/SUP]For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them."
Exodus 34:7, "Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation."
Hebrews 11:40 says we have something better than they. The OT saints were forgiven, their sins were covered, but not washed away like the NT believer.
Please, not to be rude, but read my posts. I agree, no one was never eternally saved by following the law, but that's what was given to them. They were to believ God and obey the law for righteousness. Living by the law enabled them to be "safe" from going to hell when they died. They were kept in Abraham's bosom until the blood of Jesus set them free.
J
Just an observation that seems to be true of all cultic posts. Do you see this underlying theme that somebody is always posing some controversy that involves me, what I believe, versus them? You dig a little, you even see the "Sunday devils" in the likes of writings of false prophets like Ellen White, condemnation of Protestants in Catholic writings, so it goes, all of God's exclusive, special little creatures, going on ad nauseam.
Like the Old Testament saints being the unwashed masses, one can only suppose hidden under some celestial staircase or in some broom closet, until the Lord Jesus finished His work. Heaven forbid the thought of Engilsh speaking people who used a Wycliffe, Tyndale or Geneva Bible, before the King James existed, or Greek scripture, how scarcely they could have been saved, if at all. People who were illiterate and only heard the gospel, with some misplaced conjunction, pronoun or word the preacher poorly translated or omitted, forget about it.
I so tire of legalists and cult fanatics of any stripe, pounding their fists on a table and claiming how everybody else is tainted by the likes of using an NASB, as if the Christian faith is Christ plus having some secret decoder ring, that proclaims their private interpretations the unwashed masses are perishing without. If somebody looks at an Amplified Bible, will they get jumped by demons?
You keep asking these guys, if they have special prophecy by the Holy Spirit, what congregation represents their beliefs, and you seldom get an answer, this as strange, or should we say stupid, as the concept they have some special, private Holy Spirit, the rest of Christendom being led by God into lies.
Sure glad I found ChristianChat, since nobody else got it right the past couple thousand years, according to a chosen few anonymous posters. Makes a lot of sense to me. Just beware, when reading scripture, not to believe your lying eyes, and trust nobody but yourself to have anything right. God sure did a terrible job of getting truth across, before the "scholarship" of the anonymous web.
Like the Old Testament saints being the unwashed masses, one can only suppose hidden under some celestial staircase or in some broom closet, until the Lord Jesus finished His work. Heaven forbid the thought of Engilsh speaking people who used a Wycliffe, Tyndale or Geneva Bible, before the King James existed, or Greek scripture, how scarcely they could have been saved, if at all. People who were illiterate and only heard the gospel, with some misplaced conjunction, pronoun or word the preacher poorly translated or omitted, forget about it.
I so tire of legalists and cult fanatics of any stripe, pounding their fists on a table and claiming how everybody else is tainted by the likes of using an NASB, as if the Christian faith is Christ plus having some secret decoder ring, that proclaims their private interpretations the unwashed masses are perishing without. If somebody looks at an Amplified Bible, will they get jumped by demons?
You keep asking these guys, if they have special prophecy by the Holy Spirit, what congregation represents their beliefs, and you seldom get an answer, this as strange, or should we say stupid, as the concept they have some special, private Holy Spirit, the rest of Christendom being led by God into lies.
Sure glad I found ChristianChat, since nobody else got it right the past couple thousand years, according to a chosen few anonymous posters. Makes a lot of sense to me. Just beware, when reading scripture, not to believe your lying eyes, and trust nobody but yourself to have anything right. God sure did a terrible job of getting truth across, before the "scholarship" of the anonymous web.
Strange...
Joshua 22:2, "And said unto them, Ye have kept all that Moses the servant of the Lord commanded you, and have obeyed my voice in all that I commanded you:"
1 Kings 11:34, "Howbeit I will not take the whole kingdom out of his hand: but I will make him prince all the days of his life for David my servant's sake, whom I chose, because he kept my commandments and my statutes:"
2 Kings 18:6, "For he clave to the Lord, and departed not from following him, but kept his commandments, which the Lord commanded Moses."
Luke 1:5-6, "There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless."
Keeping the law not only included the ten commandments, but the sacrificial system as well.
Joshua 22:2, "And said unto them, Ye have kept all that Moses the servant of the Lord commanded you, and have obeyed my voice in all that I commanded you:"
1 Kings 11:34, "Howbeit I will not take the whole kingdom out of his hand: but I will make him prince all the days of his life for David my servant's sake, whom I chose, because he kept my commandments and my statutes:"
2 Kings 18:6, "For he clave to the Lord, and departed not from following him, but kept his commandments, which the Lord commanded Moses."
Luke 1:5-6, "There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless."
Keeping the law not only included the ten commandments, but the sacrificial system as well.
E
lol..
So they did not need the death of Christ, they fulfilled the law on their own..
Keeping the law means keeping everything not just the ten commands, and no the sacrifice was not included, The sacrifice was required because they could not keep the law. If they kept the law. they would not need a sacrifice..
Thats why Jesus had to come.
anyway, How did we get on this? This has nothing to do with whether the KJV is the only inspired book or not.. You can get all this no matter what version you read..
whcih again, proves your cult is off base.
So they did not need the death of Christ, they fulfilled the law on their own..
Keeping the law means keeping everything not just the ten commands, and no the sacrifice was not included, The sacrifice was required because they could not keep the law. If they kept the law. they would not need a sacrifice..
Thats why Jesus had to come.
anyway, How did we get on this? This has nothing to do with whether the KJV is the only inspired book or not.. You can get all this no matter what version you read..
whcih again, proves your cult is off base.
