WHY the "TEA PARTY" is UNCHRISTIAN

lesjude · Jul 11, 2012

The American Revolution was Christian killing Christian. How could Jesus approve of that? No where in the Bible will you find rebellion against authority ever approved by God. Romans 13:1-10 and 1 Tim 2:1-3. ALL authority is ordained by God.
You will notice in Matthew 8:5-13 that the Centurion had great faith because he understood authority, had it himself, and was submitted to authority. America was founded on rebellion against God ordained authority and even killed/persecuted Americans who did not want to rebel. Americans are still rebellious and often scoff laws. The consequence is they do not understand the power and authority of God's word as the centurion did. They also will not readily submit to true pastoral authority. The result is weak faith for much beyond John 3:16.
Laying down your life for a Christian means dying to the self life ( Luke 14:25-33 and Romans 12:1-2) to love people as Jesus did by doing what He did Matthew 10:7-8 and Mark 16:17-18. There is a cost to be paid to do these things. For one you will be treated as Jesus was on Earth. The other is to submit to Holy Spirit training in Hebrews chapter 11 faith. Most would rather hire a pastor and send missionaries to do it for them. The biggest mission field is right where they are.
A Christian is a citizen of King Jesus' Kingdom, a stranger and pilgrim here, he is bought with a price and has no business giving control of his life for a nation's carnal wars. Every war the US ever fought was Christian killing Christian or sending unsaved people Jesus died for to hell. How could Jesus approve of His disciples doing that?

JimJimmers · Jul 11, 2012

God told the children of Israel to war against The Hivites, Jebusites, Hittites, Perizzites, Amorites, Gergashites, And Canaanites. Problem?

systemdown101 · Jul 12, 2012

Spartacus1122 said:

Will this do?

Spartacus1122 · Jul 12, 2012

Oh dear PsychoMom (is it just me, or does it feel awkward for others to call you this as well?),

Just look at the vomitorium that has resulted out of this topic.
Annoying? No.

Ridiculous? Yes.
Nonsensical? Absolutely.
The thread about circumcision was more intellectual than this.
* hint: sarcasm *

Think about what I wrote. It's a weekly dope-fest. Every week (minimum) there's a "XYZ, is unchristian" thread.
I mean, no offense to the original author of the thread, but aren't such questions or statements rather...
... stupid?

Even though I may disagree with u from time to time, you're still pretty cool.
... but c'monnnnnn... Tea Party being unchristian? So are the Dem and Repub parties? So the US in its entirety is unchristian? Yada yada yada...
See what I mean?

Nonsensical arguments such as this one, should be left outside to wilt.
Sorry.

JaumeJ · Jul 12, 2012

lesjude said:

WHY the "TEA PARTY" is UNCHRISTIAN
-by Andrew Strom.

I write this as a conservative evangelical Christian. I am anti-abortion
and hold all the usual 'conservative' views. But I have come to believe
that the Tea Party is one of the most misguided and misleading
movements in America - especially since it claims to be so "Christian".

I saw a piece written by pro-Tea Party activist recently who quoted
statistics saying that the majority of Tea Party members are
evangelical Christians. He coined the term, "Teavangelicals". He
says they are going to have a new Awakening and "Take Back
America". I don't know what kind of "Awakening" he is talking
about, but it is very different from the true spiritual Awakenings of
the past. America certainly needs a Revival. But not the kind that
these guys are pushing. I believe it is a counterfeit of the real thing.
And if we fall for the counterfeit, then the true can be utterly lost.

So what exactly is the problem with the "Teavangelicals"? Below
is a very basic list of things that, in my view, make this movement
truly un-Christlike and unchristian:-

(1) -An Unhealthy Mixing of Christianity with Nationalism-.
When you "wrap the cross in the flag" so-to-speak, you instantly
distort the entire message and essence of Christianity. You are
taking two totally different "kingdoms" and mixing them together.
Jesus said: "My kingdom is not of this world." So in mixing
Christianity with Nationalism, you are totally distorting what His
kingdom truly stands for. Thus you get "Patriotic" actions such
as saluting the flag or the Pledge of Allegiance being seen as
"Christian" things to do. Marching off to war becomes a "Christian"
activity. The two "kingdoms" are being completely confused. There
is a great deal of this happening in the church in America right
now - and the Tea Party is really pushing it. -Utterly distorting
what real Christianity is all about.

(2) -Being Basically the Biggest Supporters of WAR in America-.
(This is closely related to # 1). One US commentator seriously
stated that without the support of the American Christians the war
would be over much quicker - because they are the staunchest
and strongest supporters of War in the whole country. Now, can
you imagine Jesus being like this? Can you imagine Him telling
his disciples, "I want you to support military invasions and the
shooting, killing and destroying of thousands of people"? -Because
that is what WAR is. Does it sound "Christian" to you? Can we
find anywhere in the New Testament where true Christians had
this attitude? NO! They wouldn't have dreamed of being the biggest
supporters of War in their generation! Just think what a terrible
testimony this is today - to all the unbelievers who are watching.
How un-Christlike. No wonder they call us "War-mongers".

(3) -Siding with the Rich and Against the Poor-. This is the exact
opposite of Jesus - as we see again and again in the gospels and
the entire New Testament. Pay close attention to the following
words of Christ- "Woe to you that are rich, for you have received
your comfort" (Lk 6:24), "How hard it is for a rich man to enter the
kingdom of heaven" (Mt 19:23) and "You cannot serve God and
Money." (Mt 6:24). Jesus also said: "Blessed be you poor, for
yours is the kingdom of heaven" (Lk 6:20) and "I have come to
preach good news to the poor" (Lk 4:18).

Can you imagine Jesus coming across like today's "Tea Party"
Christians - where they seem utterly against the cause of the poor,
and totally for the Rich and the 'Big Money' interests? Perhaps we
have forgotten that Big Business exists largely for MAMMON and
GREED. Can anybody tell me anything "Christian" about that?

4. -Pushing the Idea that "Political" Answers can Solve America's
Problems-. To me, this is the worst deception of all - the idea that
America's problems can mainly be solved with "Political" activism,
or a change of government, or a new President. The USA's problems
are almost entirely SPIRITUAL. It is because she has lost her way
SPIRITUALLY that is causing all the other problems. And to get
the Christians all caught up in a "Political" movement is a total
distraction. A PRAYER movement - Yes! A "Political" movement -
NO! It will not solve the problems in any real way at all. In fact, it
is like a "counterfeit" Awakening - to push the Christians into
Political activism instead of focusing on the SPIRITUAL. It is like
a false savior - a "pseudo" solution. The problems in America are
Spiritual - and they need Spiritual answers. Not this "counterfeit"
that gets everybody caught up in Political fights.

In summary, I want to say that I believe that many of the attitudes
and behaviours of the "Tea Party" evangelicals in America are
totally un-Christlike and unchristian. They come across as ugly,
mean-spirited and anger-filled. It is awful to see real believers
caught up in anything so unlike Jesus.

I would like to challenge every Christian reading this to forward it
to your conservative friends. Tell them to come and meet me over
at our discussion board, if they think they can prove me wrong.
I am open. If they think they can prove from the New Testament
that Christians should be thinking and behaving the way these
"Tea Party" people behave, then let them come. I will be waiting.
THE CHALLENGE is LAID DOWN.

Here is the link to our Discussion Board to post your comments-

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lesjude · Jul 12, 2012

JimJimmers said:

These were people who had been given hundreds of years to repent of their gross sin and had not. They were under God's judgement and these were wars of extermination ordained by God for their sins.
No one is under judgement in the NT until the end of the age. Here is Jesus' heart untilLuke 9:54-56

New King James Version (NKJV)

54 And when His disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them, just as Elijah did?”[a]
55 But He turned and rebuked them,[b] and said, “You do not know what manner of spirit you are of. 56 For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives but to save them.”[c] And they went to another village.
then:

eternally-gratefull · Jul 12, 2012

This is prety amazing. We have a president who is pro muslim and prety much anti christian, who is on the brink of bankrupting this country (which would bankrupt the world and send us into financial chaos) who wants to pay people who do not want to work, and take from people who worked hard to get where they are (Yes Yes I know, not all poor do not want to work, and some rich have had it handed to them, but they are the minority) and this guy wants to call a political movement who wants to take our country back so we do not lose freedom non Christian (rolls eyes)

tribesman · Jul 12, 2012

I hope this topic "...the "TEA PARTY" is UNCHRISTIAN " is not yet another way (subtle or not) for some to say "if people do not think exactly like me, they are not christian!". Have been too much of that lately.

Hurricane1 · Jul 12, 2012

lesjude said:

Hitler also claimed to be a Christian. Should we have left him in power? I disagree with you about the American revolution. I believe that tyranny should be fought to free people. You are not worthy of the blood that was spilled to secure the freedom you now enjoy. In Brittain right now, there is a full on suppression of Christianity. Should we have submitted to that if we didn't have to? What of all the people who have heard the Gospel because the United States is in existence? How would they have heard except for the ministries coming from this country? Is that evil because the US was formed in rebellion? I also disagree with you about "pastoral authority". Do some research on where the traditions of our churches come from. Almost exclusively, they came from paganism. Read "Pagan Christianity" by Frank Viola. You will be blown away by what our, so called, churches do today. The true Church isn't a building, program, denomination, or some pastors private little kingdom. The Church is the flesh and blood "Bride of Christ". The Church in the first century (before greedy men got involved) was fully participatory (not meaning doing what the pastor wants, but bringing a word to the rest of the Church and participating in every gathering), not a bunch of people sitting in a pew to listen to a preacher convincing/ demanding everybody to do it his way. And the people of the church who had too much gave to those that didn't have enough, not pay tithes to fatten pastors and build their little kingdoms to compete with other pastors little kingdoms. If we are in the Lord, we are all one. We are to take care of one another and live in community as the "Body of Christ".

Hurricane1 · Jul 12, 2012

eternally-gratefull said:

I agree, it's the Churches responsibilty to care for people, not the governments. This administration is sending us into bankruptcy to bring about a one world government. This is not good no matter how you look at it.

Nautilus · Jul 12, 2012

Funny how Barack Obama will be sending us into bankruptcy, yet is the smallest government spender since Eisenhower. Dont blindly believe e verything you hear on your conservative dominated Fox News. Do some research, link= Who Is The Smallest Government Spender Since Eisenhower? Would You Believe It's Barack Obama? - Forbes

eternally-gratefull · Jul 12, 2012

Nautilus said:

Or better yet. Look at reality. Look at the debt, why do we keep having to increase the debt cealing? Because we spend more than we can afford. and instead of cutting spending. he keeps adding programs which increase spending (health care law anyone??)

Don't believe everything you read. Look at the facts.

Nautilus · Jul 12, 2012

eternally-gratefull said:

And yet has still spent less than anyone since eisenhower which your cute little argument doesnt counter at all. Not to mention you seem to conveniently forget that must spending goes through the congress which has been republican controlled the past two years. So who is really to blame if they are allowing it? Perhaps you should educate yourself on our political systems and how things work

eternally-gratefull · Jul 12, 2012

Nautilus said:

2 thoughts.

1. You have not proved he has spent less. You believe it. but just because some web site says it does not make it so.

2. Congrss has been controlled by democrats the last two years. The house really has no power. because they can't get anything past the senate. Why do you think the health care bill passed. Every spending bill the republicans have made since obama was elected has been voted down.

you really need to see reality my friend.

JimJimmers · Jul 12, 2012

Nautilus said:

Oh, I get it. When spending falls under Obama, you give him credit. When the debt ceiling is raised, it's congress' fault. The fault of spending excessively falls onto both parties who care more about re-election than The Constitution, your propping of Obama is a distraction.

Nautilus · Jul 12, 2012

Sigh....the house is clearly controlled by the republicans...with 242 reublicans and 193 democrats, the senate has a slight democratic advantage 51-47. However if you remember anything from your civics class bills must first pass the house(republican controlled body). So Im wondering where you are getting your numbers from. Also its called the 112th Congress...look it up.

So, how have the Republicans managed to persuade Americans to buy into the whole “Obama as big spender” narrative?
It might have something to do with the first year of the Obama presidency where the federal budget increased a whopping 17.9% —going from $2.98 trillion to $3.52 trillion. I’ll bet you think that this is the result of the Obama sponsored stimulus plan that is so frequently vilified by the conservatives…but you would be wrong.
The first year of any incoming president term is saddled—for better or for worse—with the budget set by the president whom immediately precedes the new occupant of the White House. Indeed, not only was the 2009 budget the property of George W. Bush—and passed by the 2008 Congress—it was in effect four months before Barack Obama took the oath of office.
Accordingly, the first budget that can be blamed on our current president began in 2010 with the budgets running through and including including fiscal year 2013 standing as charges on the Obama account, even if a President Willard M. Romney takes over the office on January 20, 2013.

So, how do the actual Obama annual budgets look?
Courtesy of Marketwatch-

In fiscal 2010 (the first Obama budget) spending fell 1.8% to $3.46 trillion.
In fiscal 2011, spending rose 4.3% to $3.60 trillion.
In fiscal 2012, spending is set to rise 0.7% to $3.63 trillion, according to the Congressional Budget Office’s estimate of the budget that was agreed to last August.
Finally in fiscal 2013 — the final budget of Obama’s term — spending is scheduled to fall 1.3% to $3.58 trillion. Read the CBO’s latest budget outlook.

Nautilus · Jul 12, 2012

JimJimmers said:

See its actually Obama who writes the Budget, Congress votes on the debt ceiling, notice the difference? Take a political science class for once.

JimJimmers · Jul 12, 2012

You don't seem to realize why they raised the debt ceiling. It's called "Cause and effect". There's something you should learn about. However, I really must counter your ridiculous claim about the president writing the budget. The president writes a budget PROPOSAL, not 'the budget'. You really should take a political science class.

JaumeJ · Jul 12, 2012

Why is President Obama being discussed in this forum? I do not like any politician, but I would never think to bash one here in the forum dedicated to fellowship in Yeshua, Jesus.

eternally-gratefull · Jul 12, 2012

ok people, lets have a lesson in politics.

president writes a proposed budget.

house and senate also does this.

also with any bill.

1 the house proposes and votes on a bill. the bill then goes to the senate, if they reject the bill, the house must start over. or the senate can write their own bill to counter the house bill

once it passes the senate, the president must vote to agree with the bill, or veto the bill.

a few questions. Can anyone show what replublican based budget bill was approved and instituted since obama? the answer is zero.

the republican house has zero power. Proven by the fact none of their bills have passed unless they comprimise to make democrates in the senate happy. and by the fact the house has rescinded the health care law how many times now? to no accord. because they can not get it passed the democrat controlled senate.

what is the result? the house republican have NO POWER to do anything as long as the senate is controlled by the dems. All they have is a showing as to what bills the right, and bills they fight against. but no power whatsoever!

some people buy into the propoganda they hear in the liberal news, and it is plain sickening.

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