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Yes, someone did fight to establish the right of free speech. A long time ago.
And? Where's it going?
Which wars in the last 100 years were fought for American Republic/Nationalist issues?
NONE. NOT ONE.
But the propagandists have easily suckered us into believing they ALL were.
Who made us the policemen of the world?
Spreading "freedom and democracy"?
Oh gag.
Ask Iraqis how they like our kind of freedom and democracy. Or Libyans.
Or Syrians who according to Shrillary Clinton have fun times ahead because Israel has 'plans' for that region:
“The sooner there can be an end to the violence and a beginning of a political transition process, not only will fewer people die, but there is a chance to save the Syrian state from a catastrophic assault that would be very dangerous not only to Syria but to the region,” Clinton said at a news conference.
Didn't CNN just loop for a week the video of the Afghan woman being publically executed?
Oh ya...we liberated them alright.
More like we liberated them from their POPPIES.
Lesjude is right.
And? Where's it going?
Which wars in the last 100 years were fought for American Republic/Nationalist issues?
NONE. NOT ONE.
But the propagandists have easily suckered us into believing they ALL were.
Who made us the policemen of the world?
Spreading "freedom and democracy"?
Oh gag.
Ask Iraqis how they like our kind of freedom and democracy. Or Libyans.
Or Syrians who according to Shrillary Clinton have fun times ahead because Israel has 'plans' for that region:
“The sooner there can be an end to the violence and a beginning of a political transition process, not only will fewer people die, but there is a chance to save the Syrian state from a catastrophic assault that would be very dangerous not only to Syria but to the region,” Clinton said at a news conference.
Didn't CNN just loop for a week the video of the Afghan woman being publically executed?
Oh ya...we liberated them alright.
More like we liberated them from their POPPIES.
Lesjude is right.
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So why aren't you a Quacker, they believe in submission to the point of slavery too.
No where in that scripture does it advocate a professional clergy to "rule over us". It does not speak to "pastoral authority over us". It only says that there are different functions of those that are in the Church... period! It is man in his lust for control of others that demands people submit to him. My Lord is Jesus Christ, the Son of God. He is my head, and I am part of His body. He is my husband, I am part of His Bride. I have the indwelling Holy Spirit who leads me and teaches me to say "NO" to ungodliness, thus I have no need for anyone to teach me as the scriptures says.
1 John 2:26I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.
Now that I have answered that, show me where the scriptures say that God has appointed any man to a professional clergy that is to rule over me in the name of Jesus Christ, that is supposed to be tithed to and paid out of those tithes. I'll tell you there is no scripture in the NC that points to this. There are times when people give to help those that are called to preach... but who do they preach to, here's a hint... NOT THE CHURCH, but to those who have not heard! The whole idea of a paid, professional clergy that is supposed to rule over us is PAGAN IN ORIGIN, or (at the very least) Judaistic... The NC Church is not supposed to function like that. In fact, Jesus abolished "man controlled religion" when He came to this earth. I now have direct access to the Father... needing NO MAN to stand between the Lord and myself. If you have read the book "Pagan Christianity", you would know that. These men who claim pastoral authority over you are leading you astray. They want your money and hands to build their little kingdoms so they can compete with other congregations who seek to do the same. Each individual one claiming they have it right and everybody else is wrong. They are like a cancer in the body, turning it on itself and eventually, it will die. Jeus even said "a house divided against itself can not stand"! Can the eye say to the heart "I have no need of you?" Of course not! The body of Christ... His Bride, is supposed to be one entity, working together to manifest Jesus Christ to the world around it! As it is now, because of men who want to fulfill their lust for control of others, the Church is anemic and a laughing stock to the world around it.
No where in that scripture does it advocate a professional clergy to "rule over us". It does not speak to "pastoral authority over us". It only says that there are different functions of those that are in the Church... period! It is man in his lust for control of others that demands people submit to him. My Lord is Jesus Christ, the Son of God. He is my head, and I am part of His body. He is my husband, I am part of His Bride. I have the indwelling Holy Spirit who leads me and teaches me to say "NO" to ungodliness, thus I have no need for anyone to teach me as the scriptures says.
1 John 2:26I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.
Now that I have answered that, show me where the scriptures say that God has appointed any man to a professional clergy that is to rule over me in the name of Jesus Christ, that is supposed to be tithed to and paid out of those tithes. I'll tell you there is no scripture in the NC that points to this. There are times when people give to help those that are called to preach... but who do they preach to, here's a hint... NOT THE CHURCH, but to those who have not heard! The whole idea of a paid, professional clergy that is supposed to rule over us is PAGAN IN ORIGIN, or (at the very least) Judaistic... The NC Church is not supposed to function like that. In fact, Jesus abolished "man controlled religion" when He came to this earth. I now have direct access to the Father... needing NO MAN to stand between the Lord and myself. If you have read the book "Pagan Christianity", you would know that. These men who claim pastoral authority over you are leading you astray. They want your money and hands to build their little kingdoms so they can compete with other congregations who seek to do the same. Each individual one claiming they have it right and everybody else is wrong. They are like a cancer in the body, turning it on itself and eventually, it will die. Jeus even said "a house divided against itself can not stand"! Can the eye say to the heart "I have no need of you?" Of course not! The body of Christ... His Bride, is supposed to be one entity, working together to manifest Jesus Christ to the world around it! As it is now, because of men who want to fulfill their lust for control of others, the Church is anemic and a laughing stock to the world around it.
Only a blatant fool is going to tell believers, who make up the church and body of Christ, that they don't need any preaching or teaching from a a pastor-teacher or any man of God to grow in grace an knowledge of Christ. Only a fool would suggest such an thing, who does know the written word, and a bigger one if they really believed it based upon (1Jn 2:26,27). I will unequivocally say this directly to you, YOU ARE BEING FOOLED.
There are some woman on this site that could give you NT doctrine about how we function as a local expression of the body of Christ and do it in such a manner that it would make you see the error of your way, correct and reprove you in the love of God, then give you grace so that you can repent and change your mind concerning the error you live in as a man. Then after you repented they would never bring it up again or throw it in your face because they operate through the love of God and are more interested in getting you on the right path and being fellowship then making a scene about it. There are some woman on this site that have more character and integrity then all of the men that post here, me included.
Please take the time and humble yourself under the mighty hand of God and flee from your foolishness and receive the truth from Spirit-filled believers that not only have the knowledge of the truth but the experience and grace to back it up, because they have been there and done that are continuing in it faithfully. Do this hastily, so that I don't come back and have to offend you with my words and cause my own tongue to sin because there won't be any grace in what I say along with a little too much salt.
There are some woman on this site that could give you NT doctrine about how we function as a local expression of the body of Christ and do it in such a manner that it would make you see the error of your way, correct and reprove you in the love of God, then give you grace so that you can repent and change your mind concerning the error you live in as a man. Then after you repented they would never bring it up again or throw it in your face because they operate through the love of God and are more interested in getting you on the right path and being fellowship then making a scene about it. There are some woman on this site that have more character and integrity then all of the men that post here, me included.
Please take the time and humble yourself under the mighty hand of God and flee from your foolishness and receive the truth from Spirit-filled believers that not only have the knowledge of the truth but the experience and grace to back it up, because they have been there and done that are continuing in it faithfully. Do this hastily, so that I don't come back and have to offend you with my words and cause my own tongue to sin because there won't be any grace in what I say along with a little too much salt.
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I really think that you are misunderstanding me. I am not saying that there aren't people who God raises up in the local church that are able to pastor, teach, give service and the like. There are definitely people with these gifts. All I am saying is that I don't believe they have to be paid professionals that do it. And I am saying that the Holy Spirit is the one that teaches us from the heart. He can do that through the gift of teaching in others, confirming it within our own hearts, or He can do that from within our own hearts, confirming it through others.
Why is it that you think that it is necessary to humble myself to God by submitting to other men? I submit to the Lord in everything. I humble myself before Him every day when I pray. I pray every day with my fiance as well as every day alone while working, walking or at any time I turn my attention to Him. Everything I have learned through the Holy Spirit is confirmed in the written words of God as well as through other believers, whether they are in an organized congregation or part of an organic Church. Why is it YOU think I need to submit to your "brand" of belief, or I'm deceived? Did it ever occur to you that your belief may not be right? What makes you think that you are right and anyone who disagrees is wrong? Isn't that, above all things, pride? Always remember that, just because that is what somebody that has a degree taught you, doesn't make it truth. Man always has an agenda. If they have to point to the written law, then their agenda is wrong. If they demand your obedience to them, then there is something very wrong in what they believe. Because when they do these things, they are talking about legalism and controlling from outside the spirit. If you are led by the Spirit of God, you are a son of God. Paul said as much. So if I am led by the Spirit of God, why do I need any man to lead me? Is he wiser than God? Is He more able to guide me than God? Is he able to teach me more than God? Are his words more powerful than God's? Does he have a more direct line of communication with God that I don't? Why does Paul call me a priest if I'm not able to hear God directly? Was Paul lying when he said these things?
I am not making fun of you with all of these questions. I am trying to get you to think about it and give me the information that will tell me I am wrong. If I am wrong, I will repent on the spot. But these questions will have to be answered first.
Why is it that you think that it is necessary to humble myself to God by submitting to other men? I submit to the Lord in everything. I humble myself before Him every day when I pray. I pray every day with my fiance as well as every day alone while working, walking or at any time I turn my attention to Him. Everything I have learned through the Holy Spirit is confirmed in the written words of God as well as through other believers, whether they are in an organized congregation or part of an organic Church. Why is it YOU think I need to submit to your "brand" of belief, or I'm deceived? Did it ever occur to you that your belief may not be right? What makes you think that you are right and anyone who disagrees is wrong? Isn't that, above all things, pride? Always remember that, just because that is what somebody that has a degree taught you, doesn't make it truth. Man always has an agenda. If they have to point to the written law, then their agenda is wrong. If they demand your obedience to them, then there is something very wrong in what they believe. Because when they do these things, they are talking about legalism and controlling from outside the spirit. If you are led by the Spirit of God, you are a son of God. Paul said as much. So if I am led by the Spirit of God, why do I need any man to lead me? Is he wiser than God? Is He more able to guide me than God? Is he able to teach me more than God? Are his words more powerful than God's? Does he have a more direct line of communication with God that I don't? Why does Paul call me a priest if I'm not able to hear God directly? Was Paul lying when he said these things?
I am not making fun of you with all of these questions. I am trying to get you to think about it and give me the information that will tell me I am wrong. If I am wrong, I will repent on the spot. But these questions will have to be answered first.
Lol what a sad common argument..if you dont like it then leave, what are we in fifth grade? One of the great things about this country is the ability to speak out when it screws up. And to speak out when its going down the drain. So i guess you dont like what people say dont read it? same concept as your suggestion.
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This world is going to hell, let it. The Government will go into the pit, the system will be consumed in fire, it's what will be. Even the head and his prophet shall be thrown int the lake that burns with sulfur. God will show the folly of man's kingdoms and glory His Kingdom, and he will judge the foolishness of all, especially his people, who holds patriotism to their kingdoms and reveal that it is only His that will be left standing... eternally. Why do you think Jesus spoke that His kingdom was not of this world? It wasn't written for His, or Pilate's, sake, but ours.
Tea Party is Antichrist, so is Conservatism, Liberalism, Constitutionalism, Communism, Capitalism, so on and so on all the other isms that men makes. Every one of them is Antichrist because they have neither the Father nor the Son.
Why fight for your country when it is not your country, but you're just a sojourner in it? Or would you rather forfeit the citizenship of New Jerusalem for the sake of a decaying constitutional republic?
Tea Party is Antichrist, so is Conservatism, Liberalism, Constitutionalism, Communism, Capitalism, so on and so on all the other isms that men makes. Every one of them is Antichrist because they have neither the Father nor the Son.
Why fight for your country when it is not your country, but you're just a sojourner in it? Or would you rather forfeit the citizenship of New Jerusalem for the sake of a decaying constitutional republic?
One can continue to debate about who and what is right or wrong.
But as christians we in Jesus know that the battles should not be against each other, but the powers and principalities of evil.
I have seen many laws and goverments work to bring good through out my life.
I have watched as these laws were corrupted by those who were used by the power of evil.
We are called by the word to pray for our leaders in this world, to pray for our enemies, to pray for those who are lost and misguided.
To live and act in the rightousness of God.
To serve each other , effecting good where we can and are able.
Face to face in Jesus, or simply through a simple vote.
In Jesus we each are a seed for good, it is each of us as one whole in Jesus that will bring what matters, the witness to Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh.
For the matters of the world are but a blink of an eye compared to what is eternal.
It is the seeds that bring the witness and growth of faith, hope and love in Jesus , that bring the world to see the truth.
So all may know the love and salvation of Jesus Chist is Lord come in the flesh, recieving eternal life!
In Jesus, God bless
pickles
But as christians we in Jesus know that the battles should not be against each other, but the powers and principalities of evil.
I have seen many laws and goverments work to bring good through out my life.
I have watched as these laws were corrupted by those who were used by the power of evil.
We are called by the word to pray for our leaders in this world, to pray for our enemies, to pray for those who are lost and misguided.
To live and act in the rightousness of God.
To serve each other , effecting good where we can and are able.
Face to face in Jesus, or simply through a simple vote.
In Jesus we each are a seed for good, it is each of us as one whole in Jesus that will bring what matters, the witness to Jesus Christ is Lord come in the flesh.
For the matters of the world are but a blink of an eye compared to what is eternal.
It is the seeds that bring the witness and growth of faith, hope and love in Jesus , that bring the world to see the truth.
So all may know the love and salvation of Jesus Chist is Lord come in the flesh, recieving eternal life!
In Jesus, God bless
pickles
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I do not know what your issue is with what I have said. I have never been part of a fellowship that took an offering or one with a "professional clergy". It is follow leadership as they follow Christ just as Paul says. I have never been a part of one that was 501c3 either. God's church is an organism not a charitable organization.
See if you can show us one church, any NT church and body in the NT scriptures, whether in a synagogue, a temple, in a home or gathered in any place, that did not have an apostle, prophet or pastor or elder over the assembly of believers that gathered themselves together. Check out the book of Acts and see if you can find one there as well and don't forget the book of James that was written to those scattered (12) tribes and (Heb 13). Then you can explain these passages as well in...
1Thes 5:12,13
12 And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;
13 And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves.
1Tim 5:17,18
17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
18 For the scripture saith, thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.
reward - misthos, dues paid for work, wages, hire
1Thes 5:12,13
12 And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you;
13 And to esteem them very highly in love for their work's sake. And be at peace among yourselves.
1Tim 5:17,18
17 Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
18 For the scripture saith, thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.
reward - misthos, dues paid for work, wages, hire