Will you listen to what God has to say about OSAS? Just scriptures?

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eternally-gratefull

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If your version of OSAS is not on my list, I would be happy to know what that version is. Or do you not want people to know the truth (as you so call it)?
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Know the truth?

People know what I believe, I have said it over and over, just because your blind to it does not mean it is not out there for all to see.

I read your list. Non of the things you wrote pertain to my belief, yet you have been told that over and over and over by myself and many other people. but you refuse to see it, Because your blinded by religion.

That is not your list. that is a list your legalistic church gave you, yuo ALL use the same arguments over and over and over. It is not new, it is actually quite old.

You think your the first person to come up and try to fight our security in Christ, and are telling us all something newfangled and amazing that we have never heard it before?

You make the same excuses

the same arguments

they same FALSE CLAIMS

the same everything.

And we are just supposed to drop everything and acknowledge you as king?

You are so blind you can not even see your pride.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
so you never go out and willfully do something you know is wrong, but can't fight it? but your flesh (will) is so strong, and you fall?

Not to try to argue, but if this is the case. I will just say you are better than any Christian I have ever met. How do you do it?
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It's not that believers do not fall down into the mud from time to time. But they do not stay down in the mud with the pigs. They get back up and get cleansed thru Jesus Christ by being sorrowful about their sin. Yet you are saying that one does not need to be sorrowful over one's sin anymore. Belief is all you need, right? Tell me, how is that not an excuse for sin?
 
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1 John 1:9 is not religion. It is in your Bible. What are we forgiven of according to 1 John 1:9? What do you have to do to be forgiven according to 1 John 1:9? What are you cleansed of in 1 John 1:9? According to 1 John 5:17, is not all unrighteousness sin? I get no indication that 1 John 1:9 is optional. What do you have to do in 1 John 1:7 to be cleansed of all sin by Christ's blood?
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1 john 1 9 is not repentance. it is also not used to save yourself. it is used to restore fellowship. not sonship.

Keep trying to use your get out of hell free card to excuse your sin, Your will see it is not usefull to get anyone out of hell.
 
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It's not that believers do not fall down into the mud from time to time. But they do not stay down in the mud with the pigs. They get back up and get cleansed thru Jesus Christ by being sorrowful about their sin. Yet you are saying that one does not need to be sorrowful over one's sin anymore. Belief is all you need, right? Tell me, how is that not an excuse for sin?
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lol.. Your right, they do not. that is why they will never lose salvation

thanks, you just proved osas.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Know the truth?

People know what I believe, I have said it over and over, just because your blind to it does not mean it is not out there for all to see.

I read your list. Non of the things you wrote pertain to my belief, yet you have been told that over and over and over by myself and many other people. but you refuse to see it, Because your blinded by religion.

That is not your list. that is a list your legalistic church gave you, yuo ALL use the same arguments over and over and over. It is not new, it is actually quite old.

You think your the first person to come up and try to fight our security in Christ, and are telling us all something newfangled and amazing that we have never heard it before?

You make the same excuses

the same arguments

they same FALSE CLAIMS

the same everything.

And we are just supposed to drop everything and acknowledge you as king?

You are so blind you can not even see your pride.
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No, it is a list I had compiled from personal experience from what people have told me both online and in person. Again, I do not see why you feel threatened not to share your version of OSAS. I have shared what I have believed openly. Why are you afraid to do the same thing?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
How can you re repent of something you already agreed was sin?

Your stuck in religion dude, Your using a religious defenition of a word which does not mean what you think it does. Your stuck in religion, which is why you can not see the truth.



When the HS convicts and chastens a son of sin, Can that son refuse to acknowledge it is sin? Even the prodigal son never refused to admit he was in sin.

drop your religion, it has blinded your heart.

confession and repentance to you is a cheap way to excuse your sin. It is your get out of hell card.. yet it will nto keep you from hell. because you have yet to fully repent.
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Acknowledging sin and confessing it leads to true repentance aka turning away from that sin...

If one does not confess their heart will likely turn to a sociopathic one....

NO confession IMO leads to:

1 Timothy 4:1-2, "Now the Spirit speaks very plainly, that in the latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons Speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared as with a hot iron."

Confession leads to admittance, thus allowing the Spirit to change us;

1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us."

Ezekiyl 18:20-28, "The soul that sins, it will die. The son will not bear the iniquity of the father, nor will the father bear the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself. But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he has committed, and keep all My statutes, and do that which is Lawful and right, then he will surely live; he will not die. And his transgressions that he has committed will not be mentioned against him; in his righteousness that he has done, he will live. Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? says Father Yahweh: No, but rather that he would turn back from his wicked ways, and live. But when the righteous turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does--should he live? All his righteousness that he has done will not be mentioned in his behalf. In his trespass that he has trespassed, and in his sin that he has sinned, in them he will die. Yet you say; The way of Yahweh is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israyl: Is not My way equal? Are not your ways unequal? When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, and commits iniquity and dies, it is because of the iniquity he has done, that he will die. Again, when the wicked man turns away from his wickedness that he has committed, and does that which is Lawful and right, he will save himself, and live. Because he considered, and turned away from all his transgressions that he has committed, he will surely live; he will not die."

Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"

Yaaqob 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
lol.. Your right, they do not. that is why they will never lose salvation

thanks, you just proved osas.
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Alright, so now you are saying that a believer has to be sorrowful over their sin (Which would obviously require some form of acknnowledgment of their sin before the Lord) in order to be a true believer? Which is it? You keep going back and forth.
 
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No, it is a list I had compiled from personal experience from what people have told me both online and in person. Again, I do not see why you feel threatened not to share your version of OSAS. I have shared what I have believed openly. Why are you afraid to do the same thing?
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Dude, I have shared it a million times as have many other people in just the past few days

You know what it is, You think I am going to repeat it again so you can twist it like you have done it every time I have shared it, You have another thing coming.

The word of God is what matters, not what you believe.

And whether yuo think that is your view or not, it is the view of everyone who thinks like you. Like minds think alike. aint it amazing how that happens. it is all the same lie of satan.. where do you think it comes from?
 
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Alright, so now you are saying that a believer has to be sorrowful over their sin
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No, You used the word has, that is legalism, that is not grace. grace is undeserved merit, not merit.

A believer IS SORROWFUL for sin, Because like any child who loves their father, they are sorry they caused their father to have pain because of their stupidity.

(Which would obviously require some form of acknnowledgment of their sin before the Lord) in order to be a true believer? Which is it? You keep going back and forth.
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No. You keep twisting what people say.

Does not matter, you just proved OSAS was right.

As yourself and John said, even better.

A believer can not continue in sin (because they have been born of God and can not sin)
 
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Hizikyah said:
Acknowledging sin and confessing it leads to true repentance aka turning away from that sin...

If one does not confess their heart will likely turn to a sociopathic one....

NO confession IMO leads to:

1 Timothy 4:1-2, "Now the Spirit speaks very plainly, that in the latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons Speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their conscience seared as with a hot iron."

Confession leads to admittance, thus allowing the Spirit to change us;

1 John 1:8-10, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us."

Ezekiyl 18:20-28, "The soul that sins, it will die. The son will not bear the iniquity of the father, nor will the father bear the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself. But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he has committed, and keep all My statutes, and do that which is Lawful and right, then he will surely live; he will not die. And his transgressions that he has committed will not be mentioned against him; in his righteousness that he has done, he will live. Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? says Father Yahweh: No, but rather that he would turn back from his wicked ways, and live. But when the righteous turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does--should he live? All his righteousness that he has done will not be mentioned in his behalf. In his trespass that he has trespassed, and in his sin that he has sinned, in them he will die. Yet you say; The way of Yahweh is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israyl: Is not My way equal? Are not your ways unequal? When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, and commits iniquity and dies, it is because of the iniquity he has done, that he will die. Again, when the wicked man turns away from his wickedness that he has committed, and does that which is Lawful and right, he will save himself, and live. Because he considered, and turned away from all his transgressions that he has committed, he will surely live; he will not die."

Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"

Yaaqob 2:26, "For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so the faith without works is dead also."
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repentnace is not turning away from sin, It is turning away from trying to make yourself your own God, and admitting to God what he says is truth, and what we think does not matter, and only leads us to death.

We can not be sinless. so we can not turn away completely from sin.

yet repentance is required for salvation. no one can be born of God and adopted into his family unless they repent first.

God is the one who changes us from the inside out, we can not change ourselves. about all we can do is HINDER the ability or slow down the ability of God to change us in some areas.
 
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How does a believer express that sorrow thru their daily life if they sin? You made it abudantly clear that confession of one's sins (or an acknowledgment of one's sin) is not a part of Godly sorrow for a seasoned believer. So how exactly do believers express their Godly sorrow over their sin to God? Is it a one time event when they come to the faith?

Also, I do not want to twist what people say. I want to undestand where folks are coming from. Honest. Just lay out to me straight. Tell me all of what you believe according to OSAS. Then there will be no confusion. What are the requirements for you to be in a right standing with God (or to be saved)?

Do you need to call upon the Lord?
Do you need to accept Jesus?
Do you need to confess or acknowledge your sin only once or many times?
Do you need to turn from your sins and fight against them? Or is resisting against sin a form of denying God's grace?
Do you believe that you should focus on living holy and yet just ignore your sin (thinking it is forgiven)?

What do you believe?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

repentnace is not turning away from sin, It is turning away from trying to make yourself your own God, and admitting to God what he says is truth, and what we think does not matter, and only leads us to death.

We can not be sinless. so we can not turn away completely from sin.

yet repentance is required for salvation. no one can be born of God and adopted into his family unless they repent first.

God is the one who changes us from the inside out, we can not change ourselves. about all we can do is HINDER the ability or slow down the ability of God to change us in some areas.
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Jesus would disagree with you. In Matthew 12:41, Jesus says,

"The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonah;"

In Jonah 3:9-10 it defines their reprentance when it said,

"Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not? And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way;"

In fact, Jesus told us to pray so as not be led into temptation. However, you told me that I sin daily all the time which makes it sound like you are saying sinning daily is natural for the believer. Yet, the Scriptures say, without holiness, no man shall see the Lord. Jesus said, be ye perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect. This is not to say we start off perfect. But with God living within us, we will be perfect. Not by our might or strength, but by God doing the good work within us. For Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith.
 
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For example: Can a man cheat on his wife and just have a mental acknowledgement that he is sorry to his wife and expect to be forgiven by her? No. The man would have to say he is sorry to her and mean it and not continue to keep cheating on her. If the man did not say he was sorry to his wife, and he just kept cheating on her (With the thinking that she will just forgive him anyways whereby they can continue to be husband and wife), then the man is not living in reality. Unless the wife was sexually immoral, she would leave him (or be away from the sin in his life) for him in being unfaithful. How is it any different with God? How can you be sorry and not say you are sorry? How can you be sorry and still continue to do evil against God like it does not exist?

Does a mental acknowledgment of you being sorry sound like Godly sorrow to you?
Or does Godly sorrow lead one to their knees with cries to the Lord to have mercy on them?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

repentnace is not turning away from sin, It is turning away from trying to make yourself your own God, and admitting to God what he says is truth, and what we think does not matter, and only leads us to death.

We can not be sinless. so we can not turn away completely from sin.
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How are you not making yourself your own God when you sin and strive not to stop it with God's help? Sin is all about yourself and what makes you happy. It's about you being your own God. So turning away from trying to make yourself your own God will lead you not to sin. I don't see how they are two separate things.
 
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I have divided OSAS into groups based on the beliefs of people I have encountered both online and in person. Which version of OSAS do you believe?
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I believe in eternal security based upon the perfect faith of Jesus and perfect justification of Christ.....I believe I am in the Father's hand, in the hand of Jesus and sealed with the spirit of PROMISE which is the down payment upon my inheritance...and that NOTHING can separate me from the love of God....I believe in the aorist tense verb and the present continuing result from a past completed ACTION as found in John 3:16 and I am presently, continually having EVERLASTING life...I believe eternal means exactly that ETERNAL and everlasting means exactly that EVERLASTING and that Jesus called me, saved me, justified me and sanctified me knowing full well every sin I would commit both past, present and future.....!
 
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So it does not matter if you mow down a crowd of people with a submachine gun? You would still be saved in that moment while killing them?

You did say all sin is sin, right?

What about suicide? Are you saved if you commit suicide? Do you know there are people who have committed suicide thinking they were saved because of OSAS?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
(...)and what we think does not matter(...)
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No? How sad. What of free will then?

Jason0047 said:
How are you not making yourself your own God when you sin and strive not to stop it with God's help?
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I think you may have misunderstood. Even in pursuing repentance and God's wisdom, sin is never ending.
 
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Jason0047 said:
So it does not matter if you mow down a crowd of people with a submachine gun? You would still be saved in that moment while killing them? You did say all sin is sin, right?
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This is a completely inane line of reasoning.

Does not scripture teach that we who are saved will not be tempted above that which we are able to stand? Why would my God place me in that situation if I could not resist murdering innocent people?

Your mind tends to dwell in places it ought not to go. Get back on Christ lest you further defame yourself.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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I believe in eternal security based upon the perfect faith of Jesus and perfect justification of Christ.....I believe I am in the Father's hand, in the hand of Jesus and sealed with the spirit of PROMISE which is the down payment upon my inheritance...and that NOTHING can separate me from the love of God....I believe in the aorist tense verb and the present continuing result from a past completed ACTION as found in John 3:16 and I am presently, continually having EVERLASTING life...I believe eternal means exactly that ETERNAL and everlasting means exactly that EVERLASTING and that Jesus called me, saved me, justified me and sanctified me knowing full well every sin I would commit both past, present and future.....!
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Im nobody, but if I may make an assessment...

It *seems* to me, I know nothing of this nature for certain, but *seems* you have the mind of a follower of Him, from much of what you say, or at least what I have seen you wrotie... IDK for sure, but my observation, again I am but a sea urchin.... so thus a person that follows Him and not their own understanding would be a part of His herd.... I think a lot of people that use those same principles use them in a matter of, "NOTHING can separate me from the love of God" so I can do whatever I wish.... that is not "following" that is self leading.... (*DISCLAIMER* I make no assessment on anyone's eternal future, and do not even try to, however I do feel I am supposed to know right from wrong...JMO)
 
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