Wine???

[dcontroversal]

Proverbs 20:1, Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise. Is this true?

By the way, the first mention of wine in the Bible was Noah getting drunk, naked and ashamed.

So, there is a balance and the verses you cite do not contradict and or override the other verses and or referenced verses....

Both sets you cited concern excessive use....the bible teaches moderation and no offence..it also teaches to NOT BE DRUNK.....now.....CUE the verses you cited............

Proverbs also states...


New American Standard Bible
Give strong drink to him who is perishing, And wine to him whose life is bitter.

King James Bible
Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.

 

[dcontroversal]

With a subtle nutty flavour with a hint of blackcurrant..

That's one wine tasting you wouldn't spit out! Haha

HAHAHAH I tired blackcurrant cordial? I think when I came down...or maybe it was like a soda....definitely good.....and I agree with your assessment Dr. Breno

 

[JesusRules1]

I recently had a Christian tell me that Jesus didn't drink wine. That He drank grape juice. So I guess did Jesus turn water into wine or grape juice?

Pro 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

Pro 23:31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.

Pro 31:4 It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink.

It would be hard to believe Jesus drank wine,seeing He is king,and prince of peace according to His humanity,and always led of the Spirit.

It would appear if God allowed us to drink wine that it would be a temptation because we might want to drink more,and even cops say buzzed driving is drunk driving.

God did not say you can steal a piece of bubblegum,but do not steal a car,or you can kiss a woman,but do not fornicate,so why would God allow us to drink a little fermented grape juice,but do not drink a lot,and it would appear as it would be a temptation,for how many people stopped at being a little buzzed.

Also what does fermented grape juice have to do with living for the kingdom of God when the Holy Spirit is the Comforter,and Jesus gives us joy that no person takes away,and peace that passes all understanding,and God gives us power,love,and a sound mind,and cast your cares upon God for He cares for you,and take Jesus' yoke upon you,and you will find rest for your souls,for His yoke is easy,and His burden is light.

Where does alcohol have a place in that condition of what we receive in the Spirit,for what would we need it for if it spiritual,not fleshy,and the Spirit is our Comforter,and Jesus was always led of the Spirit.

I could say in the Old Testament wine,for they could not have the Spirit,and could not perfectly live up to the moral laws,but in the New Testament it does not make sense to drink alcohol having the Spirit.

Not to debate,only trying to understand that I do not know how alcohol can take place in the New Testament having the Spirit available to us,but I can understand in the Old Testament that they could drink wine.

 

[John146]

So, there is a balance and the verses you cite do not contradict and or override the other verses and or referenced verses....

Both sets you cited concern excessive use....the bible teaches moderation and no offence..it also teaches to NOT BE DRUNK.....now.....CUE the verses you cited............

Proverbs also states...


New American Standard Bible
Give strong drink to him who is perishing, And wine to him whose life is bitter.

King James Bible
Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.

Just curious, how does Proverbs 20:1 point to excess use? Is wine a mocker?

 

[88]

The people at Welch's will get angry too...

 

[dcontroversal]

Just another person who has a personal conviction about alcohol trying to find make the bible say what they believe.

Post 23...........<---the above highlighted section

 

[88]

If you get drunk---don't drink it---if you can't handle it---stay away----be wise as serpents and hamless as doves...

 

[breno785au]

Pro 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

Pro 23:31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.

Pro 31:4 It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink.

It would be hard to believe Jesus drank wine,seeing He is king,and prince of peace according to His humanity,and always led of the Spirit.

It would appear if God allowed us to drink wine that it would be a temptation because we might want to drink more,and even cops say buzzed driving is drunk driving.

God did not say you can steal a piece of bubblegum,but do not steal a car,or you can kiss a woman,but do not fornicate,so why would God allow us to drink a little fermented grape juice,but do not drink a lot,and it would appear as it would be a temptation,for how many people stopped at being a little buzzed.

Also what does fermented grape juice have to do with living for the kingdom of God when the Holy Spirit is the Comforter,and Jesus gives us joy that no person takes away,and peace that passes all understanding,and God gives us power,love,and a sound mind,and cast your cares upon God for He cares for you,and take Jesus' yoke upon you,and you will find rest for your souls,for His yoke is easy,and His burden is light.

Where does alcohol have a place in that condition of what we receive in the Spirit,for what would we need it for if it spiritual,not fleshy,and the Spirit is our Comforter,and Jesus was always led of the Spirit.

I could say in the Old Testament wine,for they could not have the Spirit,and could not perfectly live up to the moral laws,but in the New Testament it does not make sense to drink alcohol having the Spirit.

Not to debate,only trying to understand that I do not know how alcohol can take place in the New Testament having the Spirit available to us,but I can understand in the Old Testament that they could drink wine.

In that light, we better repent of anything that gives any form of physical pleasure.

 

[Desdichado]

Does Cain murdering Abel invalidate all future killing?

Proverbs 20:1, Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise. Is this true?

By the way, the first mention of wine in the Bible was Noah getting drunk, naked and ashamed.

 

[dcontroversal]

Just curious, how does Proverbs 20:1 point to excess use? Is wine a mocker?

Serious.....the word Mocker and Raging indicate excess........and or the results of drunkenness...........!

 

[John146]

Pro 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

Pro 23:31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.

Pro 31:4 It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink.

It would be hard to believe Jesus drank wine,seeing He is king,and prince of peace according to His humanity,and always led of the Spirit.

I believe one of the reasons Jesus turned water into wine was, being His first miracle, it was in type the same miracle Moses performed as he turned water into blood. Wine in the Bible is a type of blood. It was a miracle showing the beginning of His ministry of "setting the people free".

Genesis 49:11, Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass's colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes:

 

[John146]

If you get drunk---don't drink it---if you can't handle it---stay away----be wise as serpents and hamless as doves...

What drunk ever started out as someone who didn't claim, "I can handle it?"

 

[John146]

Start messin' with the alcohol and watch'em get upset.

 

[Desdichado]

Who said anybody was upset?

Start messin' with the alcohol and watch'em get upset.

 

[maxwel]

I suspect this thread has been infiltrated by winebibbers, and those who dine with publicans and sinners.

 

[Desdichado]

I found this image of myself taken awhile back.

Partay Partay

I suspect this thread has been infiltrated by winebibbers, and those who dine with publicans and sinners.

 

[dcontroversal]

Who said anybody was upset?

exactly.....just making a BIBLICAL stand.....there is a balance to be struck and very few hold the right ground....the anti crowd are 100% against the verses that teach moderation and the truth about Jesus...The drunks are 100% against the anti crowd and the few verses they cite....then you have the biblical stand--->taking all scriptures into account...

Moderation, No drunkenness and Not offending or causing a weaker brother to stumble ....<----Biblical

IT IS NOT those things that ENTER into a MAN that DEFILES a MAN.....end of story!

 

[maxwel]

exactly.....just making a BIBLICAL stand.....there is a balance to be struck and very few hold the right ground....the anti crowd are 100% against the verses that teach moderation and the truth about Jesus...The drunks are 100% against the anti crowd and the few verses they cite....then you have the biblical stand--->taking all scriptures into account...

Moderation, No drunkenness and Not offending or causing a weaker brother to stumble ....<----Biblical

IT IS NOT those things that ENTER into a MAN that DEFILES a MAN.....end of story!

I think I OFFEND ALL the brethren with every post I make.


Should I attempt MODERATION...

and try to only offend HALF the brethren?

 

[Desdichado]

Have the courtesy to give us trigger warnings at the very least.

And stay out of our Reformed safe spaces!

I think I OFFEND ALL the brethren with every post I make.


Should I attempt MODERATION...

and try to only offend HALF the brethren?

 

[Laish]

Start messin' with the alcohol and watch'em get upset.

I would say that the the wine Jesus made was wine not grape juice. It had alcohol in it . Also I don't drink brother .
So no pony in the race . It's all about moderation.
Blessings
Bill