WOF is Heresy & Should be Avoided at all Costs!
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The point of all this was that the so-called hyper-grace believers do in fact believe in repentance and are in fact all for not sinning and to live holy lives in contrast to what has been falsely accused by some who mis-understood what was really being said.
Repentance is good and I for one believe in hyper-repenting as I see new truths about the Lord and our Father. I change my way of thinking to have my mind renewed to the truth as the Holy Spirit reveals more of Jesus to me.
But everyone is free to agree or disagree in these matters as in the end we all should believe Jesus saves us by grace through faith alone and we are safe in Him!
If interested here is a video that addresses the history of how the word "repentance" has been hi-jacked by our religious upbringing. Bless you and I hope you are feeling better after being stuck in that wheelchair after your surgery.
[video=vimeo;112172173]https://vimeo.com/112172173[/video]
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repentance means to change your mind...according to the actual Biblical use of the word
it's so simple really...no wonder the devil has gone out of his way to have folks thinking it means sorrow
God has a cure...we don't...our heads are full of nonsense and the only way out is to accept what HE says is true and ACT on it
no offense, but it is not going to take a 2 hour study
it's so simple really...no wonder the devil has gone out of his way to have folks thinking it means sorrow
God has a cure...we don't...our heads are full of nonsense and the only way out is to accept what HE says is true and ACT on it
no offense, but it is not going to take a 2 hour study
That brother preaches the gospel of the grace of Christ and I use that site because it tackles obscure scriptures and it also has a place where people can ask questions about the articles. I find that I learn more sometimes when I read the questions of the others at the bottom.
Of course people that believe in eternal security are considered heretics by some people too. In reality some doctrinal beliefs are not shared and thus to them they are some sort of a heretic..it's just the nature of the beast.
Here is another view from someone else about repentance.
Objection #3: Hyper-Grace Preachers Don’t Believe in Repentance
Not only do we believe in repentance, but we seek to understand and teach it thoroughly and accurately. In the New Testament, “to repent” is a translation of the Greek verb “metanoeo” meaning “to change one’s mind or perspective.” Obviously, when we receive Christ, we have repented in the genuine sense of the term – changing our minds about our need of a Savior and receiving Christ.
Before Christ, we lived as self-sufficiently as possible, thinking that God would probably grade on a curve and accept us at least partly on the basis of our own best efforts and self-generated goodness. When we came to understand our spiritual bankruptcy and our desperate need for Christ’s forgiveness and new life, we repented (had a change of perspective) and received Christ by trusting in Him alone to rescue us.
Beyond this initial experience of “getting saved” (as we often call it), repentance is a daily lifestyle in which an ongoing “renewal of the mind” process is taking place within us. As we grow in faith and in our understanding of God through His Word and our union with His Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 6:17), we begin to replace old thinking with new thinking and false thinking with true thinking.
This renewal of the mind (Rom. 12:1-3) is an integral part of the transformative process of the Spirit’s work in our lives. This is the essence of a lifestyle of repentance – taking false thoughts captive, making them obedient to (in conformity with) Christ (2 Cor. 10:5).
Paul affirmed in no uncertain terms that God’s kindness (His expressed grace toward us) is what leads to repentance (Rom. 2:4). Far from being anti-repentance, hyper-grace theology affirms repentance and the ongoing renewal of the mind as an integral part of what it means to follow Jesus under His New Covenant.
like here, for example --
Who are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel you shall become a plain.
And he shall bring forward the top stone amid shouts of ‘Grace, grace to it!’
(Zechariah 4:7)
and even the law itself -- the blood of bulls and goats never actually cleansed from sin; they were offerings in keeping with faith in God, that if they obediently made this supplication, He would be true to His promise and show them mercy, looking over their sin.
sin was never "removed" by the sacrifices under Moses -- it was forgiven. He showed them grace, over and over and over!
Who are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel you shall become a plain.
And he shall bring forward the top stone amid shouts of ‘Grace, grace to it!’
(Zechariah 4:7)
and even the law itself -- the blood of bulls and goats never actually cleansed from sin; they were offerings in keeping with faith in God, that if they obediently made this supplication, He would be true to His promise and show them mercy, looking over their sin.
sin was never "removed" by the sacrifices under Moses -- it was forgiven. He showed them grace, over and over and over!
I understand and that's exactly what the catholics said about Luther when he said the "just shall live by faith". The religious establishment of the day said " we have been believing this way for 1,300 years."
To have some religious beliefs that are not founded on the scriptures shattered is a good thing. Jesus did it well to the self-righteous Pharisees and scribes of His day. My heart is for the Holy Spirit to shatter anything that is not the truth about our Lord and the heart of our Father.
Believers should be repenting when we see more truth about the awesomeness of what our Lord Jesus has already done for us!
We have a truly great salvation in Him!
There's a reason why the Muratorian canon is dated to 190 AD. It's because it was rejected by the majority of believers and thought to have been corrupted so it was put on a shelf were it was kept.
Certainly the KJV is a translation. My point was to not elevate the Greek manuscripts above a translation. God promised to preserve His words and I believe He has done that in the KJV. I trust every word to be right. It's sad that most believers do not have a Bible they can trust.
Certainly the KJV is a translation. My point was to not elevate the Greek manuscripts above a translation. God promised to preserve His words and I believe He has done that in the KJV. I trust every word to be right. It's sad that most believers do not have a Bible they can trust.
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The Holy Spirit does not get enraged and we are not supposed to sin when we get angry
what are you actually saying?
like here, for example --
Who are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel you shall become a plain.
And he shall bring forward the top stone amid shouts of ‘Grace, grace to it!’
(Zechariah 4:7)
and even the law itself -- the blood of bulls and goats never actually cleansed from sin; they were offerings in keeping with faith in God, that if they obediently made this supplication, He would be true to His promise and show them mercy, looking over their sin.
sin was never "removed" by the sacrifices under Moses -- it was forgiven. He showed them grace, over and over and over!
Who are you, O great mountain? Before Zerubbabel you shall become a plain.
And he shall bring forward the top stone amid shouts of ‘Grace, grace to it!’
(Zechariah 4:7)
and even the law itself -- the blood of bulls and goats never actually cleansed from sin; they were offerings in keeping with faith in God, that if they obediently made this supplication, He would be true to His promise and show them mercy, looking over their sin.
sin was never "removed" by the sacrifices under Moses -- it was forgiven. He showed them grace, over and over and over!
It's an interesting study to see how God treated them even when they murmured before the Law came. Not one time did God react to them in any way but through grace and not one person got harmed.
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Not a scholar but there are two manuscripts.....
On used to translate into the KJV and other versions and another (found later but many claim is older and more accurate) used to translate the NIV and other versions...
Some phrases are missing from one text. Depending on which version you support, people will say it was either wrongly add or wrongly removed.
An example, the demon will not come out without prayer and fasting in kjv....with fasting not present in NIV...
ALSO translations are more accurate to keeping to the original words, while interpretation like the message makes it more user friendly but riddled wi8th the authors way of thinking.
On used to translate into the KJV and other versions and another (found later but many claim is older and more accurate) used to translate the NIV and other versions...
Some phrases are missing from one text. Depending on which version you support, people will say it was either wrongly add or wrongly removed.
An example, the demon will not come out without prayer and fasting in kjv....with fasting not present in NIV...
ALSO translations are more accurate to keeping to the original words, while interpretation like the message makes it more user friendly but riddled wi8th the authors way of thinking.
What it's always meant in the bible as pertains to sinful man: changing the disposition of his self-seeking will towards GOD's will
John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. And there went out unto him all the land of Judaea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins. Mark 1:4-5
good grief don't get me started about 'the message' -- i don't even like the NLT. all the subtlety of what the scripture actually says is lost in these things, and what you get from them is what some human thinks the scripture ought to say instead of what it genuinely says.
things like these have some place i'm sure, but you shouldn't consider them "scripture" and probably not even think of them as "Bibles" -- they're just not translations at all; they are interpretations. i think of them as being on par with 'devotionals' -- always well-meaning, sometimes insightful, but sometimes also quite misleading and mislead.
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