WOMAN CAN DO ALL THINGS

[Elizabeth619]

alot of people use the verse
(Act_2:17
And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: )

and they see this verse as a means to do what ever they want. like I said before, Salvation, as it is discribed here in the verse is ment for all men, (all flesh) but for women to have authority over man is NOT,

1Ti_2:12
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

Thanks for responding, and I do agree with you. Just wasn't able to remember the argument this early in the morning. So I guess they feel that Paul was just full of it or something.

I guess I am one of those "repressed and brainwashed" old fashion chicks that thinks the BIBLICAL role of a woman is an honor and not a disgrace or not good enough.

 

[Elizabeth619]

I understand! If you could you too would just hang me on a tree! Look: That is what it is all about, to be ready to be hung on a tree by unbelievers!

1. I am not a murder. I would never hang anyone from a tree.
2. Disagree with YOUR view does not mean I am not a believer of the gospel.
3. I find it almost miracle you haven't been banned

 

[jinx]

I understand! If you could you too would just hang me on a tree! Look: That is what it is all about, to be ready to be hung on a tree by unbelievers pharisees and sadducees!

I thought it was about women pastors

 

[Elizabeth619]

If a woman says so, I cannot object! Submission to man is a great gift women have!

I like submission to a greater power and I very much dislike rebellion!

But as a man I do not want to lord something over women. I admire women and I could never do something to them which they really really dislike. Maybe it is in my nature.

Submission of a woman does not mean she is a slave to a man.
You say you don't like rebellion, but you seem to be ok with it if a woman wants to be in authority in a way Paul says we are not to do.

 

[MissCris]

I don't know how true this is for women in general, but I know ME, and I am indecisive, moody, and easily distracted by shiny objects- and that's a GOOD day.

So as far as women being authority figures...

No.

Obviously I'm not just basing that opinion on my own serious inability to focus on anything or make up my mind, but it doesn't change the fact that women are just not wired to be "the boss". Sure, there are powerful women out there (they scare me), but should they be in a position where they are any kind of authority over men? Negative.

Granted, I don't exactly trust women to lead other women, either...

Bottom line here is that God created men to lead, and women to follow.

And to whoever said that stuff about the work load of women diminishing (I'm too lazy to go back and look), I say, WHAT?! Do you even know any women?

 

[jinx]

My work load hasn't eased up any.... my dirty laundry and dishes seem to reproduce over night, dog hair is never off my floor, toilets always seem to get dirty after I clean it, oh and paying bills, raising kids, keeping hubby fed, um, where's my break again?

 

[in-God-we-trust]

1. I am not a murder. I would never hang anyone from a tree.
2. Disagree with YOUR view does not mean I am not a believer of the gospel.
3. I find it almost miracle you haven't been banned

You are right. Nowadays people rarely get hung but readily be silenced, be it in newspapers, tv, radio and now in internet too! Provided they have the wrong political or religious views they get silenced by media journalists. That's why media and journalists together with judges have become even more powerful than politicians and so made democracy almost powerless.

I do not have anything against you personally, most likely we are both sisters and brothers in Christ, but obviously we have different views and understandings. I know that my views often are new and sometimes seem radical, but this is based on serious reading and contemplating of the Holy Bible and a long life.

It is up to you whether you will ban me, but it is to your own loss, not to mine. The Holy Spirit can never be banned!

 

[in-God-we-trust]

I thought it was about women pastors

Oh, excuse me! Aristoteles also thought it was all about his circles before he was killed by the romans.

 

[jinx]

You are right. Nowadays people rarely get hung but readily be silenced, be it in newspapers, tv, radio and now in internet too! Provided they have the wrong political or religious views they get silenced by media journalists. That's why media and journalists together with judges have become even more powerful than politicians and so made democracy almost powerless.

I do not have anything against you personally, most likely we are both sisters and brothers in Christ, but obviously we have different views and understandings. I know that my views often are new and sometimes seem radical, but this is based on serious reading and contemplating of the Holy Bible and a long life.

It is up to you whether you will ban me, but it is to your own loss, not to mine. The Holy Spirit can never be banned!

I'll take the BIBLE and what the WORD of GOD says over your "long life" and contemplation.

 

[jinx]

Oh, excuse me! Aristoteles also thought it was all about his circles before he was killed by the romans.

the thred says "women can do all things"
not..... "hang your cross here".....

 

[in-God-we-trust]

Submission of a woman does not mean she is a slave to a man.
You say you don't like rebellion, but you seem to be ok with it if a woman wants to be in authority in a way Paul says we are not to do.

You are just splitting hairs. That shows that you are rebellious and are very unwilling to submit to man. I commend jinx who seems to have the right thing in mind.

Is a slave a slave if he does not submit in everything to his master? Otherwise he is in rebellion to his master!

What Paul said was 2000 years ago. Maybe we have to rethink in all possible respect to God's word at that time.

 

[in-God-we-trust]

No need to make yourself look more goofy than you are. Your lunacies are rather on pair with those of Erich von Däniken. Having nothing to do with christianity. Repent of your blasphemous lunacies!

What do I have to do with repentance? I repented one time in my life before I acknowledged that Jesus Christ is truely the Son of God. Then I got the gift of the Holy Spirit. And with that gift I am writing all this.

With an Erich von Däniken I have nothing in common, though he is Swiss as I am. But what is nationality in comparison with the Kingdom Of Heaven? There is one world and one God and one King Jesus Christ and one Holy Spirit! Nationality is nothing.

 

[jinx]

You are just splitting hairs. That shows that you are rebellious and are very unwilling to submit to man. I commend jinx who seems to have the right thing in mind.

Is a slave a slave if he does not submit in everything to his master? Otherwise he is in rebellion to his master!

What Paul said was 2000 years ago. Maybe we have to rethink in all possible respect to God's word at that time.

I Don't know how to take this one.... LOL

 

[tribesman]

What do I have to do with repentance? I repented one time in my life before I acknowledged that Jesus Christ is truely the Son of God. Then I got the gift of the Holy Spirit. And with that gift I am writing all this.

Nonsense. Go ahead in your pride with your lunacies and refuse to repent and see where it ends. You have shown clearly enough already that you don't know God. That's all we need to know. Goodbye.

 

[jinx]

I'm going to work.

 

[tribesman]

I Don't know how to take this one.... LOL

Self-centered and proud souls are a waste of time to discuss with. They won't hear you, they will only hear themselves. It is very obvious that this fella does not know God and is currently uninterested in repenting of his blasphemies and that the "holy spirit" of which he speaks is nothing but his own self. Hopefully he's banned soon.

 

[Elizabeth619]

You are right. Nowadays people rarely get hung but readily be silenced, be it in newspapers, tv, radio and now in internet too! Provided they have the wrong political or religious views they get silenced by media journalists. That's why media and journalists together with judges have become even more powerful than politicians and so made democracy almost powerless.

I do not have anything against you personally, most likely we are both sisters and brothers in Christ, but obviously we have different views and understandings. I know that my views often are new and sometimes seem radical, but this is based on serious reading and contemplating of the Holy Bible and a long life.

It is up to you whether you will ban me, but it is to your own loss, not to mine. The Holy Spirit can never be banned!

I have no ability to ban. What I meant is I find it amazing you have not been reported and banned by moderators. I don't have anything against you personally either. I don't even know you.
I do not agree with your views on the gospel. You do contradict the scriptures alot. You may not see it, but many do.

Also, just because many women on here agree with Paul doesn't mean we are opressed, slaves or willing to be beaten. MAn and womans role in the church does differ in some ways. Many people today feel men and women are the same. Even our body tells us we are different. Spiritually we are the same. We are both made in God's image, and we aer joint heirs of life. However, this doesn't mean we can fulfill the same roles in the church.
God does say that we are to show a distinction between the genders too. Our clothing, hairstyle and so on.

Te beginning of creation God created man, and woman was created from man. "Woman" actually means "from man". "Adam" means "mankind" which is the human population. It doesn't mean "womankind" of any sort.
Women were created as a helper for man. Not the other way around, and the fall of man did not change these roles. It did inflict punishment though.
1 Tim 2:12-14 shows us man was in authority before the fall.
When God called Adam and Eve to account over their actions he actually called Adam to be questioned eventhough Eve sinned first. Adam was held responsible, and charges Adam with 2 sins. 1. Eating the fruit 2. Listening to his wife, which he chose to sin. The serpent didn't decieve him. Listening to his wife did.

Back to the NT.
Women are not allowed to hold positions of authority over a man - I Tim 2:12
Women cannot give instruction to a man 1 Tim 2:12
Women are encouraged to quietly receive instruction - I Tim 2:11. “Quietly” does not mean without noise. It means to do without grumbling, complaining and so on.

The head of woman is man, and the head of man is Christ,

 

[in-God-we-trust]

Read what this user wrote in another post here at the forum and you'll understand why what you said will fall on his deaf ears:

Link to quote here: http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...his-salvation-terry-watkins-4.html#post945054 <-link

Plain lunacy.

[h=3]John 3:8[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]8 [/SUP]The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.

 

[tribesman]

...With an Erich von Däniken I have nothing in common, though he is Swiss as I am. But what is nationality in comparison with the Kingdom Of Heaven? There is one world and one God and one King Jesus Christ and one Holy Spirit! Nationality is nothing.

Your fantastic claims resemble the lunacies of Erich von Däniken very much. If it's just a coincidence that both of you are swiss, I don't know.

Erich von Däniken - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - <-link

 

[Elizabeth619]

You are just splitting hairs. That shows that you are rebellious and are very unwilling to submit to man. I commend jinx who seems to have the right thing in mind.

Is a slave a slave if he does not submit in everything to his master? Otherwise he is in rebellion to his master!

What Paul said was 2000 years ago. Maybe we have to rethink in all possible respect to God's word at that time.

Do what? You make absolutely no sense.