Woman should not teach or assume authority over men (applies to secular????)

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tucksma

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homwardbound said:
Bearing fruit unto God is no more than being a vessel for God to use one and God through that one brings the sheep home to God. All credit to God and none to self.
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That's what I was saying. The 30, 60, and 100 are people brought to God. I do think though that it is key we have fruit and if we don't have any it is questionable if we will be saved. Its the main (if not only) difference between the 3rd seed and the 4th in the parable.
 
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tucksma

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homwardbound said:
For if man would treat woman as Christ has treated us and died for us. would we go to the death for our neighbor? Christ did for all, even though wee were yet selfish (sinners) out for self to live over others.

So if I think to love as Christ loved and loves in the resurrected state in the Spirit.
Would I love all including the enemy?
John 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

So how deep is that love: So how deep are you going to love back or continue to be dogmatic as you better be in your place?
1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.

Praying we all get it and just love each other and get over positions of the male and female, and maybe become the help-meet for each other, unto and for the glory of God almighty through son Christ our propitiation for all sin
1 John 2:2 and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
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Not once have I said not to love women, I'm saying they have a different role in the body. In fact if you read my posts I've stated the same concept. Men messed up and abused their authority, but that doesn't change the fact that the bible still teaches there are different roles between men and women. Men messing up doesn't allow women to mess up to.
 
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tucksma

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homwardbound said:
Tell me does your flesh works please God? you claiming me must bear fruit? What fruit pleases God only?
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What flesh works am I doing may I ask? I'm saying to not focus on the laws of this world and focus on bringing people spiritual health. That doesn't sound too fleshly to me. And yes we must bear fruit based off the parable of the sower. Only good fruit, or fruit that goes to him.
 
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tucksma

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homwardbound said:
And masters are to treat their slaves as one of them?
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I agree with you on the subject of slaves. The concept of slavery was supported just not how we did it. It wasn't supported in how we did it because we based it on race, we made them less then people, we treated them like crap. The bible supports forced labor, but not any of the things we made it become. So our slavery was wrong. I have already said this, but you seem to ignore it.
 
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tucksma

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homwardbound said:

Is your wife, or woman your equal or your underling?
For God made woman from man as a help meet, and it was from his side, equal to
Shame on man for acting as if he is somebody when is a part of creation and not the creator
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Your reply to my post has nothing to do with my post.
 
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tucksma

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homwardbound said:
Sorry the all things through Christ excludes sin, does not allow sin for their is no sin in Christ at all
Walk by the spirit of God and there is no sin
Galatians 5:24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would
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That is what I said....
 
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tucksma

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homwardbound said:
And how many men take advantage of that? This should not be so wen she was created as a help meet not weak, regardless if she ate first or not Adam did as well eat too.
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I agree with that. Men messed the order up, but that doesn't mean that women can mess it up as well. Which is what this feminist movement is doing. Some of the things accomplished by it were goood things, but many of them are not.
 
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tucksma

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homwardbound said:
Yes in reality it does for the battle today is flesh against the Spirit of God and you are of the flesh reading the word in the flesh and not the Spirit putting women as an underling.
You claim you are not and are happy with Sophia in submission to man's every whim
not good and taken out of context to use it for man's puberty feelings and be reprobate.
If you are born again you are dead to the flesh demands of flesh and alive to the Spirit of God lead by God unto true love not all the rest of those puberty feelings that act so nice to get _____________________________ well you know
Done unfortunately to many woman, not all who are submissive, yet how far does this submissiveness go Sisters?
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WOW do you know how to red things out of context and then exaggerate them. I am not putting them as an underling, rather they have a different role. The bible clearly supports that. I have not told Sophia to submit to man's every whim. Women should submit, men should love their wife like Christ loves them. I've said that over and over you just seem to ignore that part. Those verses are not taken out of context. The context of them is to a church whose gone astray. Guess what? WE HAVE GONE ASTRAY FROM GOD'S ORDER. So those verses apply to us!

You say I am on the side of the flesh, but I have quoted scripture supporting my side. I know men messed things up by abusing their authority but it is pretty clear in the bible the order.
 
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tucksma

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homwardbound said:
He came first and foremost because we needed new life in the Spirit and not the flesh. The flesh has and still does make a mockery of Christ/
Regardless flesh is flesh and needs to die. so that we might see life in the Spirit and walk as Christ walked in dependence on Father
Can you not see this?
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I agree with this, I'm saying that it has little to do with the subject at hand. Youre bringing up points that have NOTHING to do with the role of the women.
 
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tucksma

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homwardbound said:
To treat another as an equal, then there is no slavery involved for the other willingly does for the other out of love, and each other is taken care of through true Love God's type best described in 1 Cor. 13:4-13
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Actuallllyyy no. You can have slavery and both be equal. If you treat the slave just like a C.E.O treats a worker in his company, the difference being pay in food, water, shelter, and clothing, not cash, then you have slavery with equality.
 
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tucksma

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Oak said:
Slavery is also talked about in the NT. Are you trying to say God was wrong in the OT? That he changed his position on the subject?
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No I just didn't bring up the NT section because some think that verse is saying slavery should be abolished (that is the titus verse).
 
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tucksma

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homwardbound said:
Everyone does have their Job, the question is whether one is willingly doing it or not?
Take away no one's free will, for this is what God is mad about is others destroying others in taking away their free will
Read all about it in Noah's time where God repented making mankind, seeing all they do is be selfish, not caring for others when they try to survive, stepping on others as to what they want not caring even if they killed others. They just took whatever they wanted, without any care for the other, unless the other agreed with them.
But God found Noah as righteous, for Noah found righteous by God. why? Because Noah believed God and did not seek to harm anyone to have gain of self and those he loved , he loved all.
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This is where we did slavery wrong, we made these people not people. We agree on this.
 
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tucksma

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homwardbound said:
To me sense is made when woman is not the head of man nor the man head of the woman. we are together help meets for each other unto Father through Christ
To put me in authority is to play God and flesh love this, but I am by Christ's death dead to flesh sin as in Rom 6:1-11
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But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. 1 Corinthians 11:3

Looks like what makes sense to you goes against the bible.
 
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SparkleEyes

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The whole idea that men cannot/shoudn't learn from women can be horribly corrupted. There are so many nuances in this idea.
Does that mean I cannot show a man how to do a task?
If a husband and wife study the Bible together is she "allowed" to point out something of significance in the passage, impart a piece of wisdom or make an observation?
If there is an adult small group (contemporary term for Bible Study) consisting of both genders (singles, marrieds) can a woman in the group make an observation or point out something of significance in the passage or impart a piece of knowledge she has picked up while on her Christian journey?
Do some men interpret this to mean that a woman can show a man how to do something womanly - like how to do something in the kitchen but not how to change a tire or speak often in a mixed gender small group?
What about a woman teaching her teenage son how to do something - how to drive, or how to make a meal, or how to treat a woman...

Come on, men.....Really????? :cool:
 
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tucksma

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homwardbound said:
The good Christians job?
Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Truth to this very day here and now Brother
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I said good christian because it was a term Misty was using. Stop harping on every tiny little issue you see, because you tend to take things out of context and flip about it.
 
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tucksma

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SparkleEyes said:
The whole idea that men cannot/shoudn't learn from women can be horribly corrupted. There are so many nuances in this idea.
Does that mean I cannot show a man how to do a task?
If a husband and wife study the Bible together is she "allowed" to point out something of significance in the passage, impart a piece of wisdom or make an observation?
If there is an adult small group (contemporary term for Bible Study) consisting of both genders (singles, marrieds) can a woman in the group make an observation or point out something of significance in the passage or impart a piece of knowledge she has picked up while on her Christian journey?
Do some men interpret this to mean that a woman can show a man how to do something womanly - like how to do something in the kitchen but not how to change a tire or speak often in a mixed gender small group?
What about a woman teaching her teenage son how to do something - how to drive, or how to make a meal, or how to treat a woman...

Come on, men.....Really????? :cool:
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I believe the idea of women not teaching men only pertains to the church. So in church setting women cannot teach men. Men being well men, so they can teach children. I think this because the whole letter is sent to an entire church, and it seems that is what it is talking about. Also I don't think teach is talking about like a point or observation, rather to teach a class.
 
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tucksma

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homwardbound said:
Top leader I know is Christ and he was married to God his Father only. wondering to whom we are to married to as well?
Any way I always have the last word with my help-meet and that is YES DEAR
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Actually we aren't married to him yet. Right now we are married to our wives/husband or no one. We are "engaged" to Christ, but not married to him yet.
 
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tucksma

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homwardbound said:
He who is not wit Christ is against Christ and flesh is against Christ
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Do you even know what a satanist is? A satanist is someone who praises satan. If you are an atheist you do not believe in either therefore do not praise either.
 
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tucksma

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homwardbound said:
yet it seems you are for the roles to be just so as according to your interpretation of the word as in literal flesh, and not Spirit
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I find it funny how you say I'm wrong, but have given no verses supporting why the roles as I've defined them, by quoting God's words' are wrong. You talk garbage about me being of the flesh and you of spirit, but have done nothing to show it. Seems your policy is "if they don't agree with me, they are flesh". Tell me what stone do you use to create the hardness of your heart?
 
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