Woman should not teach or assume authority over men (applies to secular????)

[homwardbound]

This is the the Bible Discussion Forum, by the way, not the Tucksma's Personal Opinion Forum.

Titus 2:9 Slaves are to be submissive to their own masters in everything; they are to be well-pleasing, not argumentative,

And masters are to treat their slaves as one of them?

 

[homwardbound]

We are not condemning these women in the aspect that I think these women will go to hell. I don't at all. They are going against God's teachings though. It is just as wrong as any other form of going against God's teachings. Fine me a verse that says women can pastor as I will be the first to change my belief.

Go figure in the last days:
Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

All flesh all is all does this not include women too?

 

[homwardbound]

That's not my opinion. It's clear in the bible that slaves were used and supported by God, just not how we look at them. (explained in an earlier post) That's why if it was different slaves would have been okay.

If masters never abused this, yep agreed but man flesh is man flesh and abuses authority to this very day and is why today we are to de dead to flesh by the death of Christ at the cross and then made anew in the life in the spirit of God by the resurrected Christ, justified in the Spirit to treat all fair, inspite of what anyone else does or not
Did Christ go to the cross while we all were yet selfish, for us or not? Wow is my response

 

[homwardbound]

Well the serving you wife is a different topic, at least how I look at it. That is on the topic of "love". Love is self sacrifice and serving. In that aspect both husband and wife are to do that to each other. The only reason I haven't said that is because it is on the subject of love, and this subject is about the roles of women.

Also I haven't been saying that women are any less then men. They have a different role. Also I haven't supported different pays based on sex. I don't even think I've made a comment on women in the workplace at all. Clearly the bible does support slavery. Your proverbs verse even says so. "will be put to forced labor"

I don't support slavery in how it was done in America or any nations known to the world today (assuming you don't look at current Israel as old Israel). I explained what I meant by slavery and how it is biblical in a earlier post.

Her verses were explained, and her history was as well. I didn't ignore it, I explained it.

Women being the head of man is NOT biblical. Paul talks about that.

To me sense is made when woman is not the head of man nor the man head of the woman. we are together help meets for each other unto Father through Christ
To put me in authority is to play God and flesh love this, but I am by Christ's death dead to flesh sin as in Rom 6:1-11

 

[homwardbound]

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What is the beef if woman makes more than me. you or anyone else. Hey been married over 30 years and together we have survived, never did it or does it matter who makes more or less than the other. Together we stand divided we fall. So if you have a mate work together and quit the fighting over roles as to who is to do what. Work together in Faith unto Father through Christ
I tell you the truth seek ye the kingdom first and all your needs are supplied, Wow!! The Mercy of God given through Son wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[homwardbound]

1 Corinthians 11:3 - But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.


1 Corinthians 14:34 - Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

[SUP]1 t[/SUP][SUP]im 2 : 9-15
9[/SUP] In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
[SUP]10[/SUP] But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
[SUP]11[/SUP] Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
[SUP]12[/SUP] But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
[SUP]13[/SUP] For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
[SUP]14[/SUP] And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
[SUP]15[/SUP] Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

Colossians 3:18 - Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.

Ephesians 5: 22-33
[SUP]22[/SUP] Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
[SUP]23[/SUP] For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
[SUP]24[/SUP] Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so [let] the wives [be] to their own husbands in every thing.
[SUP]25[/SUP] Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
[SUP]26[/SUP] That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
[SUP]27[/SUP] That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
[SUP]28[/SUP] So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.
[SUP]29[/SUP] For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:
[SUP]30[/SUP] For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.
[SUP]31[/SUP] For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.
[SUP]32[/SUP] This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
[SUP]33[/SUP] Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife [see] that she reverence [her] husband.

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Titus 2: 3-5
3[/SUP] The aged women likewise, that [they be] in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
[SUP]4[/SUP] That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
[SUP]5[/SUP] [To be] discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.


1 Corinthians 14:35 - And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.



These are all verses that support my position. I AM NOT saying me control women. I am saying that men are the head, and women are to be submissive. The men are to respect the women VERY highly. Women are to make sure the men rule in submission to Christ. Men are also to serve their wives. Men are to love their wives like Christ loves them. They are equal in the respect to salvation as Galatians 3:28 says.

Sorry but the letter kills, and te Spirit gives life to te fullest and we are free in the Spirit loving as God does love, no need for gender roles of the flesh any more
And this was written to and for carnal Christians if you see the context of why Paul wrote this to the Corinthians?
They were taking advantage of the grace offered them where their sins and lawless acts were forgiven for all time>
This is truth that we are forgiven, but it was never fro anyone to take it for granted. Rather for appreciation to God as in to respond with thanksgiving and praise. Psalms 100:4

 

[homwardbound]

Also I haven't said that women shouldn't have these rights. I am only saying it is not the good christian's job to fix the world's injustice.

Also bearing fruit is also a Good Work. I would say that is a better one too because you are then adding to the body. All I'm saying is making you life focus on making people equal is not Christ like. Christ didn't make that his focus, it was just how he acted. Christ's focus was spread his name, and his biggest command was to spread the gospel (he tells people to do it over and over and over).

Learn what I'm saying before you attack me.

The good Christians job?
Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Truth to this very day here and now Brother

 

[homwardbound]

What I find funny is this. We men like to boast that we are the authority and in a perfect environment the man should be. But, it is well known that in most modern day families that the women tries to wear the so called "pants". I will attest, that a family where the women is dominant are most likely to be dysfunctional and, now a day and times, usually ends in divorce and the children suffer. Because of the wife's refusal to submit to their husband.

Anyway, most men who think that they are in charge, will bend to the wife when it comes to sleeping on the couch, if you get my drift. Because when Mamma's not happy, then nobody is happy. Young folk, chose your wife carefully. Because, behind every great leader was a great wife.

God normally calls a man to be a pastor, But has always called women for evangelistic ministry, missionary, and so on. However, if there is not a man willing to step up and lead, God will use a women.

God uses what He has tork with. The first person saved on European soil was a women and her house became a church. The book of 2nd John was written to a lady that pastored a church in her house. You cannot and shall not box God in. He is God and does whatsoever pleases Him and not me or you.

Top leader I know is Christ and he was married to God his Father only. wondering to whom we are to married to as well?
Any way I always have the last word with my help-meet and that is YES DEAR

 

[homwardbound]

I think equality laws are already in place.

Being just means we overlook injustice? Goodness.

It took lives and lifetimes to bring segregation and racial issues to the forefront. So we ignore all those because of the time constraint?

So you're saying governments should spend time propagating spiritual health. Of whose? How?

When a person is oppressed and in physical pain, we ignore that and talk about how God sets us free?

Should we tell a dying man on the ground about Jesus first or give him first aid?


Is there an award for mind blowing logic?

And the Samaritan took that man that was hurt to an Inn, where as the others past him by

 

[homwardbound]

If someone isn't Christian, it doesn't mean they are a satanist. What I am saying is that equality laws are not as important as baring fruit, and if you try to change an equality law, it takes pretty much your whole life to do so. I support women rights, but I wouldn't spend years trying to make them happen if I lived back then because I could do SO much fruit baring in that time.

He who is not wit Christ is against Christ and flesh is against Christ

 

[homwardbound]

Free us from bondage of sin.


You worry about your laws, I'll work on baring fruit.

When I go to Christ with all my fruit, and you go to him with your equality laws what do you think he'll judge higher? That unbelieving woman who you made equal is still an unbeliever.

The unbelieving woman I talk to would still be unequal, but be saved in chrsit, lifted from bondage of sins, and be in the kingdom.


I'm not saying oppression is biblical. I'm saying that it is better to focus on BARING FRUIT. Not on equality. Show your view on equality in how you act. Treat people equal rather a law says to or not. Don't spend your life working on fixing the world, because the world won't be fixed till Christ comes back.

Who's fruit are you bearing Yours or Father's through Christ?
Are you looking for credit? if you are please be careful and ask God to whom does all the credit belong?

 

[homwardbound]

You seem to be highly misunderstanding me. You think I am saying to not support equality. I'm not saying that. I'm saying don't make your life about it.

yet it seems you are for the roles to be just so as according to your interpretation of the word as in literal flesh, and not Spirit

 

[homwardbound]

Again you seem to misunderstand me. I am not saying to not do these things, just don't make your life about it. Make your life about bearing fruit, spreading the good news, etc. If you just do works, but bare no fruit, then your works are fruitless, and you have helped save no one. Bear fruit, and do works. Do both. To make your life about changing equality laws HIGHLY impairs the time and ability you have to bear fruit because of the time it takes.

Bear fruit, and no one can bear fruit, on their own. For how can fruit grow on a tree unless it abides in the whole tree. Does the branch produce that fruit hanging off it?
Or does the branch only bear the fruit that was produced in and through the branch.
I the branch did not abide in the tree then there is no fruit, any real fruit only fake.
Anyway all credit to God for all

 

[homwardbound]

Also those verses don't say that's the only thing we will be judged on. The parable of the sower shows that bearing fruit is also what will lead us to the kingdom, because the other seeds weren't in good soil. The one that was was the only to bear fruit.

Tell me does your flesh works please God? you claiming me must bear fruit? What fruit pleases God only?

 

[lookuptoseeJesus]

Dorcas was the best pastor in the Bible
God raised her from the dead to keep on pastoring

 

[homwardbound]

Slavery was done in the OT and it was never condemned. In fact in the law it was clearly supported.

I am NOT calling you a slave nor have I ever.

If bearing fruit isn't people then what are the 30, 60, or 100 in the 4th seed?

Bearing fruit unto God is no more than being a vessel for God to use one and God through that one brings the sheep home to God. All credit to God and none to self.

 

[phil112]

Dorcas was the best pastor in the Bible
God raised her from the dead to keep on pastoring

Your bible is different from mine. I didn't know she was a pastor.
Jonah was the greatest preacher. He preached and 120,000 were saved at once.

Show me from the Bible where I am wrong.

Show me from the bible where you're right.

 

[homwardbound]

For if man would treat woman as Christ has treated us and died for us. would we go to the death for our neighbor? Christ did for all, even though wee were yet selfish (sinners) out for self to live over others.

So if I think to love as Christ loved and loves in the resurrected state in the Spirit.
Would I love all including the enemy?
John 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

So how deep is that love: So how deep are you going to love back or continue to be dogmatic as you better be in your place?
1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.

Praying we all get it and just love each other and get over positions of the male and female, and maybe become the help-meet for each other, unto and for the glory of God almighty through son Christ our propitiation for all sin
1 John 2:2 and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

 

[tucksma]

Go figure in the last days:
Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

All flesh all is all does this not include women too?

I never said they wouldn't prophecy...

 

[tucksma]

Sorry but the letter kills, and te Spirit gives life to te fullest and we are free in the Spirit loving as God does love, no need for gender roles of the flesh any more
And this was written to and for carnal Christians if you see the context of why Paul wrote this to the Corinthians?
They were taking advantage of the grace offered them where their sins and lawless acts were forgiven for all time>
This is truth that we are forgiven, but it was never fro anyone to take it for granted. Rather for appreciation to God as in to respond with thanksgiving and praise. Psalms 100:4

1st off I didn't just quote corinthians.
2nd off if these verses were just for them, then why on earth is it in the bible for us to read? If it doesn't pertain to everyone, then why do we need to read it?
3rd off if the bible doesn't teach these things, than paul was going against the bible when he sent this letter.
4th off the letter didn't kill anything, it fixed the order of God.
5th off if he is fixing a congregation who has gone astray, and says this to fix them, then we should also listen to his words so we don't go astray.