Woman should not teach or assume authority over men (applies to secular????)
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Balaam's donkey spoke after an angel tried three times to slay Balaam. The donkey saved his master's life each time and Balaam beat him for it each time, so God opened the mouth of the donkey to speak to Balaam. Then, God opened Balaam's eyes and he saw the angel in the path, prepared to take him out. Here's the reference:
The command to fill, subdue, and have dominion over the earth was to both genders. Jesus was radically progressive in His treatment of women, far beyond the norm in His culture. Taking a few verses from letters that were written to cultures with aggressive female leadership in ritual goddess worship and trying to apply it to life in general is ridiculous. We are equal.
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Then why was eve told to be adams helper? I'm not saying that women are "the help" rather that it does show that women are to subdue themselves to men. Also did all the letters that talk about the role of women go to the same culture type? I don't think so, but I could be wrong. Also the entirety of those books (or letters) Christians apply to their lives, so why leave out just that section?
With your last bit I agree we are equal. Different roles but equal. We have two different jobs in christ, but both have the same "pay" in a sense, which is salvation.
With your last bit I agree we are equal. Different roles but equal. We have two different jobs in christ, but both have the same "pay" in a sense, which is salvation.
Likewise I could say how amazing it is to find how many men seem to try to find reasons to not submit to authority. To disrespect the role of the government and the role of a person involved in such a job, reason being she's a woman.
Romans 13:1
Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
Meet Angela Merkel, voted for a third time as German Chancellor.
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THE USA secures Germany's status as a democratic nation?????
Seems like it's a just a base for the USA. Anyway.Thank you USA, for also reading gmail.
The Germans are having none of that. Angela is very cool.
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The word "ezer" has a much stronger connotation in the Hebrew than our English word "helper" conveys. It is never used Biblically to describe a man, but is also used in situations where God rescues Israel. There, it is usually translated "strong helper." "Ezer" actually has a connotation, not of a cutsie little helper, but of a fellow warrior.
The city of Ephesus revolved around the "worship" of Artemus, lead by seductresses. Really, it was ritualistic prostitution. Corinth was a port full of sailors and prostitutes; it's very name was made into a verb meaning "to play the wanton."
Pheobe and Priscilla were know leaders in the early church which was radical for baptizing women as well as men. Other women mentioned in Romans 16 who served as co-laborers in Paul's ministry were Mary, Tryphaena, Tryphosa, the mother of Rufus, Persis, Julia, and the sister of Nereus. The Acts of the Apostles records the ministries of Dorcas, Lydia (a wealthy merchant), and the four daughters of Phillip who prophesied or preached.
This problem is repeated when people (usually male) try to over-apply a few verses regarding women. Yes, they are true, just not necessarily to the extent that you are misinterpreting them to be.
The city of Ephesus revolved around the "worship" of Artemus, lead by seductresses. Really, it was ritualistic prostitution. Corinth was a port full of sailors and prostitutes; it's very name was made into a verb meaning "to play the wanton."
Pheobe and Priscilla were know leaders in the early church which was radical for baptizing women as well as men. Other women mentioned in Romans 16 who served as co-laborers in Paul's ministry were Mary, Tryphaena, Tryphosa, the mother of Rufus, Persis, Julia, and the sister of Nereus. The Acts of the Apostles records the ministries of Dorcas, Lydia (a wealthy merchant), and the four daughters of Phillip who prophesied or preached.
This problem is repeated when people (usually male) try to over-apply a few verses regarding women. Yes, they are true, just not necessarily to the extent that you are misinterpreting them to be.
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THE USA secures Germany's status as a democratic nation????? Seems like it's a just a base for the USA. Anyway.
THE USA secures Germany's status as a democratic nation?????
Seems like it's a just a base for the USA. Anyway.
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I don't mean it refers to "the help" at all, but the whole reasoning God mad Eve was so that Adam had another to help do God's will. God actually told Eve that Adam would rule over her. That also adds that he was the leader.
Also with all the women you mentioned, by no means does that go against what I am saying, and I think what most people on my side are saying. Women who are inclined to preach the gospel are amazing! One day I wanna marry a girl who is as excited to talk to someone randomly about the bible as I am. The difference is should a women lead the church. That doesn't necessarily mean pastor, but in most churches the pastor does lead. Because the pastor leads, it is forbidden for a women to be one because over and over it shows how men must lead. The only time a women lead (I believe) was the example in the OT of the prophet who ran the army for a time. She only ran it cuz the man was a wimp and didn't do what God said to do. That shows a failure of man, not that women are aloud to lead. (It does possibly imply a women may lead if no man is available, which I won't say is right or wrong cause I haven't looked that far into it)
A couple comments on the places you mentioned. One is how does prostitution problems lead to women not leading? I understand the only of Godess worship, not the prostitute concepts though.
Also a reason he could have sent it to these places is to correct them. Maybe this idea of men being the leader of churches was accepted by everyone else, so that's why he didn't need to send it to them or tell them. The places that needed fixing are the places he sent it to. The words still stay true to today, he was just fixing places that weren't following them. So it's cultural in the idea of who he sent it to and why he sent it, but what he said applies to all (unless there is a verse to state otherwise).
Also with all the women you mentioned, by no means does that go against what I am saying, and I think what most people on my side are saying. Women who are inclined to preach the gospel are amazing! One day I wanna marry a girl who is as excited to talk to someone randomly about the bible as I am. The difference is should a women lead the church. That doesn't necessarily mean pastor, but in most churches the pastor does lead. Because the pastor leads, it is forbidden for a women to be one because over and over it shows how men must lead. The only time a women lead (I believe) was the example in the OT of the prophet who ran the army for a time. She only ran it cuz the man was a wimp and didn't do what God said to do. That shows a failure of man, not that women are aloud to lead. (It does possibly imply a women may lead if no man is available, which I won't say is right or wrong cause I haven't looked that far into it)
A couple comments on the places you mentioned. One is how does prostitution problems lead to women not leading? I understand the only of Godess worship, not the prostitute concepts though.
Also a reason he could have sent it to these places is to correct them. Maybe this idea of men being the leader of churches was accepted by everyone else, so that's why he didn't need to send it to them or tell them. The places that needed fixing are the places he sent it to. The words still stay true to today, he was just fixing places that weren't following them. So it's cultural in the idea of who he sent it to and why he sent it, but what he said applies to all (unless there is a verse to state otherwise).
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If people interpret it to mean that women cannot have any authority over men in any setting, that would mean that no women would be able to have a job unless only women were employed in that setting. Why? Because eventually a woman would be over a man.
That seems to perpetuate inequality between men and women, and I think that interpretation goes beyond what the passage in Scripture is talking about.
That would also mean that all women who post on this forum would have to be quiet, and just silently read posts, or that we should just post in all women forums. Otherwise a man might read our posts and we might "teach" them something....
So, part of the question is how far is too far. How far do you take this?
That seems to perpetuate inequality between men and women, and I think that interpretation goes beyond what the passage in Scripture is talking about.
That would also mean that all women who post on this forum would have to be quiet, and just silently read posts, or that we should just post in all women forums. Otherwise a man might read our posts and we might "teach" them something....
So, part of the question is how far is too far. How far do you take this?
What bible version do you use?????????
[h=3]1 John 2:15-16[/h]
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father[SUP][a][/SUP] is not in them. [SUP]16 [/SUP]For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world.
[h=3]1 John 2:15-16[/h]
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father[SUP][a][/SUP] is not in them. [SUP]16 [/SUP]For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world.
That's clearly not the way God would want it.
Its being about better.
And sure God can use a woman... and speaking of animals... in the beginning when things we're perfect... Adam named all the animals showing his authority over them. And before I get my head bitten off by a woman who may think I'm making animals on the same level as women... I'll make this point clear...
Genesis 1:26
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[SUP][a][/SUP] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
So, while they both have ruler-ship, man has authority over women since Adam named woman, Eve. Similarly, as he named the animals. Also, we find later in scripture that Adam (one man) is the blamed for sin even though Eve was first to sin... no mention of Eve....but they do mention one man. I can't help but see that this shows Adam as in charge and responsible.
[h=3]Romans 5:15[/h][SUP]15 [/SUP]But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!
That's I think its ideal for men to lead in general and with a Christ-like mind of course.
Its being about better.
And sure God can use a woman... and speaking of animals... in the beginning when things we're perfect... Adam named all the animals showing his authority over them. And before I get my head bitten off by a woman who may think I'm making animals on the same level as women... I'll make this point clear...
Genesis 1:26
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[SUP][a][/SUP] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
So, while they both have ruler-ship, man has authority over women since Adam named woman, Eve. Similarly, as he named the animals. Also, we find later in scripture that Adam (one man) is the blamed for sin even though Eve was first to sin... no mention of Eve....but they do mention one man. I can't help but see that this shows Adam as in charge and responsible.
[h=3]Romans 5:15[/h][SUP]15 [/SUP]But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the many!
That's I think its ideal for men to lead in general and with a Christ-like mind of course.
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Do you honestly think that women are more easily deceived and seduced by erroneous doctrine than men are?
I would venture to guess that there are just as many men who have been deceived and seduced by erroneous doctrine as women. If you look at the plethora of false teachers out there, most of them are men (probably because there are more men in the ministry than women). Are there some false teachers who are women? Of course there are.
What should a married woman do if she sees that her husband is being deceived? Should she confront him on it, or should she be silent and just say nothing? This does happen.
I think the problem of churches getting off has more to do with the fact that they are abandoning sound doctrine, not that they have allowed women into the ministry.
I would venture to guess that there are just as many men who have been deceived and seduced by erroneous doctrine as women. If you look at the plethora of false teachers out there, most of them are men (probably because there are more men in the ministry than women). Are there some false teachers who are women? Of course there are.
What should a married woman do if she sees that her husband is being deceived? Should she confront him on it, or should she be silent and just say nothing? This does happen.
I think the problem of churches getting off has more to do with the fact that they are abandoning sound doctrine, not that they have allowed women into the ministry.
Hi there,
God says what He means and means what He says, it is for us to believe it, and walk in the light of it - if we want to live a life that is honouring to Him.
We live in a secular world, a world where God is not honoured. What we 'say' about these things will make no imprint on the society we live in. This is the day when mankind, both male and female do just what they please. The result of this is visible in the world around us, and it does not make pleasant viewing.Yet, if we started 'doing' the Word, instead of hearing it only, shut our mouths and lived by example, maybe an imprint would then be seen, for the proof - in the form of the resulting harmony of lives lived to God's glory would be seen and not just heard.
In Christ Jesus
CWJ
God says what He means and means what He says, it is for us to believe it, and walk in the light of it - if we want to live a life that is honouring to Him.
We live in a secular world, a world where God is not honoured. What we 'say' about these things will make no imprint on the society we live in. This is the day when mankind, both male and female do just what they please. The result of this is visible in the world around us, and it does not make pleasant viewing.Yet, if we started 'doing' the Word, instead of hearing it only, shut our mouths and lived by example, maybe an imprint would then be seen, for the proof - in the form of the resulting harmony of lives lived to God's glory would be seen and not just heard.
In Christ Jesus
CWJ
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