Women Pastors? Help me.

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trofimus

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if it's that bad, maybe you should just listen? you want us to believe you are an authority, but now you tell us to overlook your mistakes

that's typical of someone who offers no proof other than 'look ma...no hands!'

you are probably not familiar with that expression and certainly not in the way I make mention of it here

sorry...you can't have your cake and eat it too buddy
Yes, I am not familiar with your canadian or what expressions. So what? This is international chat, not a Canadian one.
 

Magenta

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Well, you reacted on what I wrote. So I suppose you should make yourself clear, what you want to say to me.
I did make myself clear, and you fail to understand something so simple, that originated from you! Since you want to attach meaning regarding women not being able to teach to the fact that Eve sinned, while Adam's sin was the greater, and it was Adam's sin, NOT EVE'S, that caused ALL of creation to fall and all of humanity thereafter to be estranged from God. Perhaps that is too complex for you to grasp? You thinking that Paul is hard to understand and all...
 
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Yes, I am not familiar with your canadian or what expressions. So what? This is international chat, not a Canadian one.

are you sure you aren't 12?

YOU are the one trying to tell us all what the Bible says

done with your nonsense...reading your other posts, it seems you have a hissy if people disagree with you

as it is, you are now defending your mistakes with the so what clause built into every person who just wants to make noise and not learn a thing
 

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I love Paul! But the point being made was Paul said Eve was deceived while Adam was not, and so Eve therefore was the sinner, and yet elsewhere we know that because of Adam's disobedience, death and sin entered the world and ALL of creation fell BECAUSE OF ADAM'S SIN, not Eve's. Eve' sin of deception was actually less than Adam's sin of direct disobedience.
interesting point

Eve eats first

but sin enters when Adam eats
 

Magenta

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interesting point
Eve eats first
but sin enters when Adam eats
Good day Dan :) Yes, and we do know that the command to Adam came directly from God, but before Eve was created, and we are not told who informed Eve of the edict not to eat, though we know she also said they must not touch it, when that was not what was told to Adam.
 

trofimus

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I did make myself clear, and you fail to understand something so simple, that originated from you! Since you want to attach meaning regarding women not being able to teach to the fact that Eve sinned, while Adam's sin was the greater, and it was Adam's sin, NOT EVE'S, that caused ALL of creation to fall and all of humanity thereafter to be estranged from God. Perhaps that is too complex for you to grasp? You thinking that Paul is hard to understand and all...
Still what does it have to do with the verse I posted?

Either you want to say Paul was wrong about women or else I do not know what you are trying to do.
 
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trofimus

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are you sure you aren't 12?

YOU are the one trying to tell us all what the Bible says

done with your nonsense...reading your other posts, it seems you have a hissy if people disagree with you

as it is, you are now defending your mistakes with the so what clause built into every person who just wants to make noise and not learn a thing
Yes, this is a Bible discussion forum, so I am discussing what the Bible says. If you are a mature woman enough, you can forgive that someone who is not English-born makes some grammar mistakes. I would like to see you discussing the Bible in Czech.
 

Magenta

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Still what does it have to do with the verse I posted?
"I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.
For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner."
1 Tim 2:14

Everything, since Paul says in that verse that it was Eve who sinned and that therefore is the reason given why she should not teach, where elsewhere we know from Paul's writing that Adam sinned also, and not only did Adam sin, his sin was the greater having the fall of ALL creation attributed to his transgression, as well as sin and death entering the world because of his sin, and all of humanity being born with a sin nature, estranged from God because of Adam's sin, not because of Eve's sin. Adam's sin was not mere deception but outright disobedience.

It seems pretty obvious to me. Did you really miss it???
 

trofimus

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"I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.
For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner."
1 Tim 2:14

Everything, since Paul says in that verse that it was Eve who sinned and that therefore is the reason given why she should not teach, where elsewhere we know from Paul's writing that Adam sinned also, and not only did Adam sin, his sin was the greater having the fall of ALL creation attributed to his transgression, as well as sin and death entering the world because of his sin, and all of humanity being born with a sin nature, estranged from God because of Adam's sin, not because of Eve's sin. Adam's sin was not mere deception but outright disobedience.

It seems pretty obvious to me. Did you really miss it???
Again, what do you want to say? That Paul was wrong in his letter to Timothy? That women should not be quiet?
 

Magenta

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Again, what do you want to say? That Paul was wrong in his letter to Timothy? That women should not be quiet?
I have said what I wanted to say. You seem to have missed it completely.
 

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No Chanel #5 either...
 
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LOL That's the first time I have ever heard the denomination of Calvary Chapels called a "Pentecotal Non-denominational" church.
Precursor. Not the same thing. (If it were then why become something else, right?) The church I'm referring to was part of "The discipleship movement." Matter of fact, the charlatan I often refer to as the Jimmy Jones of that church, caused an unwanted effect to that movement. He did exactly what some feared would happen if people took discipleship too far. Didn't the guy who started Calvary Chapel come from discipleship too? (I think his name is something like Wimble, Whimbley, Whimber. I really can't remember enough to look him up to find out who he is again.) That old church I was in back then evolved, and then devolved since then, but they were Pentecostal and nondenom. Connected to other churches. They just never got so organized as to come up with a name, so nondenom. (Without name.)

I wasn't saying anything against your church. But, let's face it, Angela knows how different your beliefs are to mine, and yet when I was young, I was a lot closer to your beliefs than you can imagine. lol
 
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I almost cant believe a Christian can say something like you did right now :) Its so obviously wrong that it is almost worthless to react.
Pretty much why I have her on ignore. (So I don't react to the onslaught.)
 
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What if I'm a pastor and I AM a man...
but I "identify" as a girl...
and I'm not a pretty girl...
just a really hairy, muscular, manly girl..
and I also identify as a 6 year old girl,
who probably shouldn't have a drivers license,
so I have trouble getting to my church to preach on sunday...
and I'm actually "gender fluid",
so sometimes I DO identify as a man,
but just not on Sundays when I'm preaching?

What then?
Then I'd say, welcome to New Jersey. ;)
 
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I love Paul! But the point being made was Paul said Eve was deceived while Adam was not, and so Eve therefore was the sinner, and yet elsewhere we know that because of Adam's disobedience, death and sin entered the world and ALL of creation fell BECAUSE OF ADAM'S SIN, not Eve's. Eve' sin of deception was actually less than Adam's sin of direct disobedience.
Right. Because the man has the mantle. (Part of why I have trouble thinking women should be pastors. Men get stuck with the responsibilities, as exampled by Paul bringing up Adam and Eve.) I know you hate that I believe that, but it does go hand-in-hand with what I believe.