Women Pastors? Help me.

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StanJ

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Dagallen said:
If everyone would have taken Paul's advice, that it was better to remain single, if mankind taken advice on this, you and I would not be here, as single hood was not God's intent but to be fruitful and multiple was God's intent for mankind, as a man and woman complement one another by obeying God's word, so if you remain single, you have committed no sin, just as if you get married, you have committed no sin.
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This just shows you have absolutely no idea about the context of what Paul was writing here. Paul was not single. This is shown in 1 Cor 9:5. Paul was either a widower or his wife had left him when he converted to Christianity but, as a member of the Sanhedrin, he would have had to be married. Why Paul wrote it would be better to not be married is indicated in verse 26. There was much wisdom in this but Paul also knew that it was not necessarily from God which is why he made a point of saying what he did when it came to these issues. The point is that Paul gave his opinion based on the situation of the day and for most people this would have been a wise decision to follow but Paul also accounted for the fact that many could fall into lustful and sinful behavior and as such Paul wanted to make sure that they would not do so. This does not mean that Paul made a mistake or that 1st Corinthians 7 is not inspired. What Paul did do was not take advantage of his status as the Apostle to the Gentiles and make sure that because of his own personal situation he was not making people conform to his own situation when it was most likely his decision to be so. He made sure that he did not use his freedom in Christ to influence others to be as he was when in fact either way was acceptable in God's eyes. This definitely has no bearing on what Paul wrote in regards to women being silent in the church because he wasn't making that statement as a matter of command but simply repeating the false teaching that existed at the time and making sure that the people who asserted this false teaching were aware that the inspiration for scripture existed with him and not with them as in the rebuke he made in v36 of 1 Cor 14.
 
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Dagallen

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I not going to try to write a story of my own, a Historian looks for things that are repeated many times over, Paul repeats himself throughout chapter 7, for I say, not the Lord and makes clear what he said was not a commandment from the Lord, so if the Lord did not say it unto Paul, then what he said, where did it come from ? Himself based on the traditions of his time, as many things were based on traditions, just as it is today as well. The tradition of that time was that a man had authority over a woman, in that time, men were taught by men, as woman was untaught, therefore a woman was to be silent in church, was to go home and learn from her husband, well what good would it be, to Learn from her husband and still remain silent ? It does not mean that a woman can be a pastor, it means that a woman must be taught of the things if the Lord before she speaks or becomes a pastor, well a man must be taught as well before he can become a pastor, it was the traditional ways of a belief system, is it good to be educated before you become a pastor, whether it be male or female ? Yes ! If the Lord speaks his words unto a woman, is she required to keep silent and not speak it ? What better teacher can one have, the Lord is the only true teacher, as he teaches both, male and female. It was a man's world, where the traditions of man was enforced, because they enforced their traditions, the words if the Lord, at times had no effect. The ways of man or the ways of the Lord, chose wisely.
 
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StanJ

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Dagallen said:
I not going to try to write a story of my own, a Historian looks for things that are repeated many times over, Paul repeats himself throughout chapter 7, for I say, not the Lord and makes clear what he said was not a commandment from the Lord, so if the Lord did not say it unto Paul, then what he said, where did it come from ? Himself based on the traditions of his time, as many things were based on traditions, just as it is today as well. The tradition of that time was that a man had authority over a woman, in that time, men were taught by men, as woman was untaught, therefore a woman was to be silent in church, was to go home and learn from her husband, well what good would it be, to Learn from her husband and still remain silent ? It does not mean that a woman can be a pastor, it means that a woman must be taught of the things if the Lord before she speaks or becomes a pastor, well a man must be taught as well before he can become a pastor, it was the traditional ways of a belief system, is it good to be educated before you become a pastor, whether it be male or female ? Yes ! If the Lord speaks his words unto a woman, is she required to keep silent and not speak it ? What better teacher can one have, the Lord is the only true teacher, as he teaches both, male and female. It was a man's world, where the traditions of man was enforced, because they enforced their traditions, the words if the Lord, at times had no effect. The ways of man or the ways of the Lord, chose wisely.
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Your opinion here totally discounts that Paul was teaching the New Covenant and not the old ways or old Covenant. There is no doubt that Paul was totally aware what Judaism was teaching at that time and he thaught it differently. Paul did NOT teach that women were to be silent in the church, which is what I've already exegeted from scripture.
 
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If I sit in a church, when the pastor is speaking a message, should I ask questions while the pastor is speaking ? No ! It does not matter if the pastor is male or female, so a woman can be a pastor and preach and teach, all Paul was addressing was how to conduct one's self in the church, Paul wasn't saying a woman can't be a pastor or preach or teach, if we can agree on this, it is good with me.
 
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Dagallen said:
If I sit in a church, when the pastor is speaking a message, should I ask questions while the pastor is speaking ? No ! It does not matter if the pastor is male or female, so a woman can be a pastor and preach and teach, all Paul was addressing was how to conduct one's self in the church, Paul wasn't saying a woman can't be a pastor or preach or teach, if we can agree on this, it is good with me.
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I cant agree, because bible says clear the opposit to your view. Do you ignore the scripture? Go ahead, but you cant sell your view as truth from the bible.
 
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Dagallen

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You sure don't consider historical facts do you ? Well when you can show me where Jesus himself says, a woman can not pastor or can't preach or teach, then I'll change my belief.
 
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StanJ

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Dagallen said:
If I sit in a church, when the pastor is speaking a message, should I ask questions while the pastor is speaking ? No ! It does not matter if the pastor is male or female, so a woman can be a pastor and preach and teach, all Paul was addressing was how to conduct one's self in the church, Paul wasn't saying a woman can't be a pastor or preach or teach, if we can agree on this, it is good with me.
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This is a different issue about order in a corporate setting not about whether women can teach or not in the church. Nobody speaks up and asks the pastor what he meant, male or female. There is conjecture that this was an issue in the Corinthian Church about women calling up to their husbands to ask what the preacher meant but there is no support or proof of that conjecture. We are 900-plus posts into this thread so I'm sure you're aware of what many people implied by saying women should remain silent in the church. Your clarification is appreciated.
 
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I will just leave this for all to ponder. Galations 3:28 there is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ. Note: Since there is no distinction between male and female in Christ, neither should there be any distinction behind a pulpit. To prohibit a woman from preaching is to elevate a man above a woman, therefore violating a woman's equality in Christ. As the passage affirms the purpose of Christ's coming, to redeem those under the law, to set them free, slaves, women and the traditions of man, that all might have the right, whether male or female, to preach, therefore prophesy, as we are not under the law but we live under grace, therefore all males and females are equal under grace, as thisb is the oneness message of Christ. As I accept the above that is totally biblical. May God bless the eyes of all, that all might see themselves equal as one in Christ.
 
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You took one verse out of context and then presented your own thoughts and ended by saying that it was all totally biblical.
 
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You sure don't consider historical facts do you ? Well when you can show me where Jesus himself says, a woman can not pastor or can't preach or teach, then I'll change my belief.
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Do you believe that the Bible from Genesis 1,1 till Revealation 22,21 is the inspired word of God? Ore you believe that only this is word of God what Jesus spoke?
 
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Fact is that the word for the woman ''servant" and male ''minister" is same word in the greek NT. So with that woman are also called ministers/pastors. The writers of the KJV etc changed it to a different word to make woman less authoritive than originally written. God calls all into ministry, not just men.
 
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Demi777 said:
Fact is that the word for the woman ''servant" and male ''minister" is same word in the greek NT. So with that woman are also called ministers/pastors. The writers of the KJV etc changed it to a different word to make woman less authoritive than originally written. God calls all into ministry, not just men.
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Amen ! We all servant of God.
 
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samuel23

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God calls all into ministry...true. God said that in a mixed assembly of men and women the men are to do the speaking...true.
 
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samuel23 said:
God calls all into ministry...true. God said that in a mixed assembly of men and women the men are to do the speaking...true.
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Perhaps in your narrow, isolated-verse, English-translation-only interpretation. Not in my whole-counsel-of-God, consider-the-original-language-and-context interpretation.
 
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StanJ

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samuel23 said:
God said that in a mixed assembly of men and women the men are to do the speaking...true.
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Only an inculcated person would continue to say this after he has been shown the truth, which you have and continue to resist.
 
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samuel23

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As far as my opinion goes, a woman Christian can do anything just as well as a man...however God does not really care about my opinion or the opinion of anyone else. This is a very serious issue, not because the world will end if a woman is a Pastor of a church, but because there is nothing in the bible any more clear then the statement of God through Paul that men are to do the speaking in a mixed assembly. Anyone who can read this testimony in the word of God about men doing the speaking in a mixed assembly and straight out deny what they have read, is either totally deceived or else do not really believe the word of God to be the actual word of God. No other way folks...examine yourself.
 
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JustWhoIAm

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If a woman is gifted to teach then she should. The structure of the church is much different then it was in the days of Paul.
 
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JustWhoIAm

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We need inspired people in authority in general. Where to find Spirit-filled, sound counsel in this day and age?
 
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samuel23

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So the word of God must change in order to fit our present day ideas?...so you are one who does not really believe that what Paul said to be from God was really from God. Strange attitude for a Christian.
 
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Dagallen

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Someone here must be a die heart Roman Catholic.
 
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