Women Pastors? Help me.

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StanJ

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Then there is no point in our continuing this conversation. But you still have not shown me the context of chapter 14. Do not make accusations against someone else and offer nothing to prove the accusation.
That's what I just acknowledged, that there is no point in discussing it with you and I have shown the context in past posts and in the links I provided but if you refuse to learn that's pretty much your problem.
I'm not throwing accusations at you I'm making observations about your attitude.
 
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StanJ

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Stephen, a woman's role of being quiet and submissive in a Worship Service, never was part of any curse. It is simply God's WILLED order of things within a worship service environment. WHY? Women are given a more important role than men, in that they are to picture to ALL others the ROLE of the BRIDE to the BRIDEGROOM; and to teach this kind of submissive obedience to their Children and the younger women. Therefore they influence TWO and maybe the next THREE generations by being faithfully obedient to HIS WILL. Men on the other hand rarely influence more than the current generation.

To deliberately go outside GOD'S WILL for the order of things in a Worship Service environment, is to GO THE WAY OF CAIN.

Jude 1:11 (ESV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Woe to them! For they walked in the way of Cain
{Worshiping my way, instead of GOD's way.}
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjpMafTTMFQ

and abandoned themselves for the sake of gain to Balaam’s error
{Using religion and preaching as a way to make self rich.}
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb2q_BzNHl4

and perished in Korah’s rebellion.
{Mixing anything else with the true gospel and true worship,
such as the Kundalini Awakening.}
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5ZvPwFamqs&t=375s

A woman's role from Genesis 2 is to be a 'helpmate', not a servant so sadly your understanding is wrong from the very beginning of God's word and it obviously hasn't improved. Paul also told us to submit ourselves to one another so how do you reconcile that? whenever a woman is told to submit to a man it is in the context of the family and marriage not anything else. That is why they are all reference to Adam and Eve because Adam and Eve were the original marriage and the original family.
You can't even properly identify who the bride of Christ is because it isn't the church. if Christ is the head of the church why would you marry himself?
 
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Dagallen

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Then there is no point in our continuing this conversation. But you still have not shown me the context of chapter 14. Do not make accusations against someone else and offer nothing to prove the accusation.
Sounds like you put yourself in a box again.
 

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Then there is no point in our continuing this conversation. But you still have not shown me the context of chapter 14. Do not make accusations against someone else and offer nothing to prove the accusation.
Oldhermit, i could told you before. Its not possible to discuss with Stan, (he is an egalitarian). and Dagellen (gives no answer to the questions).
 
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Dagallen

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And what question did I not give an answer to ?
 
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Dagallen

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Oldhermit, i could told you before. Its not possible to discuss with Stan, (he is an egalitarian). and Dagellen (gives no answer to the questions).
What question are you talking about ?
 

oldhermit

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Oldhermit, i could told you before. Its not possible to discuss with Stan, (he is an egalitarian). and Dagellen (gives no answer to the questions).
Yea, there are some people on here one learns to simply ignore outright no matter what they say to you just to try to preserve the integrity of a discussion.
 
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I apologize for the typos. I was kind of in a hurry to put this together.
I must say I've never seen so much dependency on man's interpretation.

I do see comparisons to of marriage as Christ loves the church. However these are comparisons, not symbols. Never have I seen any such symbolism in the NT.

I do see, though, in Eph 5, that there's one little paragraph to the woman's submission, while there's a large paragraph telling the men how to treat their wives! Why so much for the men?

Roman men treated their wives as second-class citizens.

  • Roman law placed a wife under the absolute control of her husband, who had ownership of her and all her possessions.
  • He could divorce her for any reason.
  • Neither Greek or Roman wives were allowed to speak out in public.

Jewish women were no better.

  • Jewish women were barred from public speaking.
  • The oral law prohibited women from reading the Torah out loud.
  • Synagogue worship was segregated, with women never allowed to be heard at all.

These are the reasons why Paul taught the men more than the women, because their environments were harsh against women.

The truth is, there's more scriptures telling the men how to act than the women. It was just the opposite.

Women are still treated unfairly, with the church taking the lead.

It's perfectly alright for a woman to be a CEO of a company, telling thousands of men what to do. The church never says that's wrong.

It's only outlawed in the "house of God".

According to "some christian men", a woman can minister outside the church, to anyone, as long as they don't do it in the church.

Excuse me for being suspicious, but something's rotten in Denmark.

I cannot see my God forgiving every christian of their sins, destroying the curse of sin on us, & after all that, holds part of sin's curse over the woman's head, keeping her as a second class citizen of Heaven.

Did Jesus die for the woman's freedom as well as the man's?

Don't tell me Jesus could only save the woman with limited ministry & benefits. That's absurd.
 
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Dagallen

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The influence of the Roman Catholic belief system on here is obvious.
 

oldhermit

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I must say I've never seen so much dependency on man's interpretation.

I do see comparisons to of marriage as Christ loves the church. However these are comparisons, not symbols. Never have I seen any such symbolism in the NT.

I do see, though, in Eph 5, that there's one little paragraph to the woman's submission, while there's a large paragraph telling the men how to treat their wives! Why so much for the men?

Roman men treated their wives as second-class citizens.

  • Roman law placed a wife under the absolute control of her husband, who had ownership of her and all her possessions.
  • He could divorce her for any reason.
  • Neither Greek or Roman wives were allowed to speak out in public.

Jewish women were no better.

  • Jewish women were barred from public speaking.
  • The oral law prohibited women from reading the Torah out loud.
  • Synagogue worship was segregated, with women never allowed to be heard at all.

These are the reasons why Paul taught the men more than the women, because their environments were harsh against women.

The truth is, there's more scriptures telling the men how to act than the women. It was just the opposite.

Women are still treated unfairly, with the church taking the lead.

It's perfectly alright for a woman to be a CEO of a company, telling thousands of men what to do. The church never says that's wrong.

It's only outlawed in the "house of God".

According to "some christian men", a woman can minister outside the church, to anyone, as long as they don't do it in the church.

Excuse me for being suspicious, but something's rotten in Denmark.

I cannot see my God forgiving every christian of their sins, destroying the curse of sin on us, & after all that, holds part of sin's curse over the woman's head, keeping her as a second class citizen of Heaven.

Did Jesus die for the woman's freedom as well as the man's?

Don't tell me Jesus could only save the woman with limited ministry & benefits. That's absurd.
You have missed the point entirely. I simply do not know what else to say on this. I do not know how much clearer to say it. The prohibition of 1Cor 14 is real and with real consequences. Would it help to examine the text of 1Cor 14 itself together?
 
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Dagallen

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I must say I've never seen so much dependency on man's interpretation.

I do see comparisons to of marriage as Christ loves the church. However these are comparisons, not symbols. Never have I seen any such symbolism in the NT.

I do see, though, in Eph 5, that there's one little paragraph to the woman's submission, while there's a large paragraph telling the men how to treat their wives! Why so much for the men?

Roman men treated their wives as second-class citizens.

  • Roman law placed a wife under the absolute control of her husband, who had ownership of her and all her possessions.
  • He could divorce her for any reason.
  • Neither Greek or Roman wives were allowed to speak out in public.

Jewish women were no better.

  • Jewish women were barred from public speaking.
  • The oral law prohibited women from reading the Torah out loud.
  • Synagogue worship was segregated, with women never allowed to be heard at all.

These are the reasons why Paul taught the men more than the women, because their environments were harsh against women.

The truth is, there's more scriptures telling the men how to act than the women. It was just the opposite.

Women are still treated unfairly, with the church taking the lead.

It's perfectly alright for a woman to be a CEO of a company, telling thousands of men what to do. The church never says that's wrong.

It's only outlawed in the "house of God".

According to "some christian men", a woman can minister outside the church, to anyone, as long as they don't do it in the church.

Excuse me for being suspicious, but something's rotten in Denmark.

I cannot see my God forgiving every christian of their sins, destroying the curse of sin on us, & after all that, holds part of sin's curse over the woman's head, keeping her as a second class citizen of Heaven.

Did Jesus die for the woman's freedom as well as the man's?

Don't tell me Jesus could only save the woman with limited ministry & benefits. That's absurd.
Excellent post and very well put, be strong in Christ.
 
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StanJ

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Oldhermit, i could told you before. Its not possible to discuss with Stan, (he is an egalitarian). and Dagellen (gives no answer to the questions).
Just because I refute all your arguments doesn't mean I can't discuss, it just means I'm better at representing and supporting my point of view than you are, which is not hard when your point of view is false teaching and mine is not. Sour grapes is all you are left with Wolfie.
 
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StanJ

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You have missed the point entirely. I simply do not know what else to say on this. I do not know how much clearer to say it. The prohibition of 1Cor 14 is real and with real consequences. Would it help to examine the text of 1Cor 14 itself together?
What you see in 1st Corinthians 14 is based on your eisegesis, and not on proper hermeneutical exegesis.
You are reading your predispositional bias into the text rather than studying and finding out what the text is actually saying. The links I posted would have helped you but apparently you don't want to learn.
Very few Greek exigetes support your point of view.
 
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Dagallen

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I see no real need to answer any questions on this topic at this point because their are some here, who has done a great job on behalf of the female gender.
 

oldhermit

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What you see in 1st Corinthians 14 is based on your eisegesis, and not on proper hermeneutical exegesis.
You are reading your predispositional bias into the text rather than studying and finding out what the text is actually saying. The links I posted would have helped you but apparently you don't want to learn.
Very few Greek exigetes support your point of view.
Would you care to put this to the test?
 
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The bible is abundantly clear that women are not to have a position of authority over men in the church...only an extremely deceived person would attempt to argue otherwise.
 
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StanJ

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The bible is abundantly clear that women are not to have a position of authority over men in the church...only an extremely deceived person would attempt to argue otherwise.
Only to those with a predispositional and gender bias. Those who know how to properly exegete God's word KNOW better.