Thank you! You did it not the last time when i wrote you! Why i should be convinced you will do it now. The way you are wrote your last post shows me your true intererst! I somebody aksed me to look to an older post. It would be no problem for me to look back! You cant answer, thats my conclusion. Maby I am wrong?
Women Pastors? Help me.
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I would be glad to respond, as I am not always right but I am not always wrong in understanding, I am a sinner, I am not perfect in understanding nor is anyone else, I am headed to work at the moment but post your question and I will respond at some point today, all I can do is share what I see in belief.
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Based on my experience with you I have had to do the same thing several times because you always seem to conveniently forget posts that have answered your questions. If you choose to ignore or don't read posts that's your prerogative but it's also the prerogative of the person doing the posting to refer you to that post and it's not always that easy to know exactly what post dealt with it. I'm pretty sure you would have a hard time picking out your own past posts in the same fashion.
All rigth Dagallen here again my questions:
1. So why then God createt us as man and woman? Or he did not? And he gave also not different outlook and sex?
2. Why he never choosen a woman as Priest, King ore Apostle?
There are plenty Scripture which shows that a wife should be submissive to her husband. We find also Scripture that a woman should not have authority over man. And even if you through away Scripture like Genesis 2 and 3 ore 1. Tim.2,12-14, ore 1. Tim. Chapter 3 were it is clear statet that eldest/ruler/overseer/leader can only be man.
3. You find out of Junia(s) ( and it is not clear it is meant a male ore female) no proof for woman leadership in the church.
Why not?
4. Is that what Paul wrote through the Holy Spirit word of God ore not?
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Just got home from work, on a 15 day run, before I get a day off. The questions you ask about, the answers would be very long but I will take, one step at a time and keep it short. Let me begin, by saying, I am not always right, yet I am not always wrong in understanding, all I can do, is share what I see, once done, it's not between you and me, it between you and the Lord. 1. Why did God create us male and female ? Great question ! God has a masculine side and a feminine side, as both sides are equally the attributes of God. As God created His masculine side, which is a man, just as God has a feminine side, which is a woman, are both sides of the attributes of God equal ? Yes. As God is never divided against Himself in any way, if He was, God would not be God. As man was given the characteristics of God's masculine side, as the woman was given the characteristics of God's feminine side, is one side of God greater than the other side, does one side of God have authority over the other side of Himself, is one side less than the other ? As man and woman, are vessels, through the vessels that man and woman are, it not about the vessels themselves, it's about the masculine and feminine side, the characteristics, of the attributes of God, that was manifested through man and woman. Can both sides speak ? Yes ! Can both sides teach ? Yes ! Can both sides Preach the everlasting gopel ? Yes ! If it were not so, then God would be a divided God, He wouldn't be God at all. God also created us as male and female, that we might multiply and be fruitful and replenish the earth, with our own kind.
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Just got home from work, on a 15 day run, before I get a day off. The questions you ask about, the answers would be very long but I will take, one step at a time and keep it short. Let me begin, by saying, I am not always right, yet I am not always wrong in understanding, all I can do, is share what I see, once done, it's not between you and me, it between you and the Lord. 1. Why did God create us male and female ? Great question ! God has a masculine side and a feminine side, as both sides are equally the attributes of God. As God created His masculine side, which is a man, just as God has a feminine side, which is a woman, are both sides of the attributes of God equal ? Yes. As God is never divided against Himself in any way, if He was, God would not be God. As man was given the characteristics of God's masculine side, as the woman was given the characteristics of God's feminine side, is one side of God greater than the other side, does one side of God have authority over the other side of Himself, is one side less than the other ? As man and woman, are vessels, through the vessels that man and woman are, it not about the vessels themselves, it's about the masculine and feminine side, the characteristics, of the attributes of God, that was manifested through man and woman. Can both sides speak ? Yes ! Can both sides teach ? Yes ! Can both sides Preach the everlasting gopel ? Yes ! If it were not so, then God would be a divided God, He wouldn't be God at all. God also created us as male and female, that we might multiply and be fruitful and replenish the earth, with our own kind.
Can you explain the bold in your quote for me? Give examples of what you mean.
There is a difference between the O.T. & the N.T. as women serve outside the Temple in the O.T. as they are allowed to do outside the churches. When in the church, men are to be directly submissive to Christ in receiving from Him His words. They are to be head pf the woman as Christ is the head of men. That is why the word of God will come to the men first in church and why women are not to lead in that church.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]34 [/SUP]Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.[SUP]35 [/SUP]And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.[SUP]36 [/SUP]What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?[SUP]37 [/SUP]If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.[SUP]38 [/SUP]But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
Some will contend that women were being disruptive or preaching false doctrine, but you will not see that as a reason for why they are not allowed to teach; when they are being commanded by the Lord to be silent but only in the churches.
It is written that of any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. So I have to ask you how was God moving in the church? What life changing events have you witnessed? Are we talking about a movement of the "holy Spirit" bringing sins and wonders or are we talking about something else?
The problem here is that you are giving credit to her.
1 Corinthians 3:[SUP]5 [/SUP]Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?[SUP]6 [/SUP]I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.[SUP]7 [/SUP]So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
Jesus Christ is the One that produces the fruit; not her.
Philippians 1:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:.........[SUP]11 [/SUP]Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.
Pray about this. Ask Jesus at the throne of grace to see beyond her to the real Good Shepherd. He is your Bridegroom.
There is a difference between the O.T. & the N.T. as women serve outside the Temple in the O.T. as they are allowed to do outside the churches. When in the church, men are to be directly submissive to Christ in receiving from Him His words. They are to be head pf the woman as Christ is the head of men. That is why the word of God will come to the men first in church and why women are not to lead in that church.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]34 [/SUP]Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.[SUP]35 [/SUP]And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.[SUP]36 [/SUP]What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?[SUP]37 [/SUP]If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.[SUP]38 [/SUP]But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
Some will contend that women were being disruptive or preaching false doctrine, but you will not see that as a reason for why they are not allowed to teach; when they are being commanded by the Lord to be silent but only in the churches.
It is written that of any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. So I have to ask you how was God moving in the church? What life changing events have you witnessed? Are we talking about a movement of the "holy Spirit" bringing sins and wonders or are we talking about something else?
The problem here is that you are giving credit to her.
1 Corinthians 3:[SUP]5 [/SUP]Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?[SUP]6 [/SUP]I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.[SUP]7 [/SUP]So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
Jesus Christ is the One that produces the fruit; not her.
Philippians 1:[SUP]6 [/SUP]Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:.........[SUP]11 [/SUP]Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.
Pray about this. Ask Jesus at the throne of grace to see beyond her to the real Good Shepherd. He is your Bridegroom.
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Your second question ! 2. Why didn't God chose a woman to be a Priest, King, or Apostle ? Great question ! First, a King is a male and a Queen is a female, when one set on their throne, both have the power to rule, over both gender, so that's not a good thing to ask, just as the title Priest, is not a good title to use, why ? Christ is the mist high Priest, there is no other. So you have one title that is debatable, an Apostle. Now was there any female Apostle ? That a great question and I would say, Yes ! A female Apostle that man did not accept and most men still don't accept even today. A female Apostle is where Christianity began, why a woman but not a man ?
Because we prophesy in part and know in part is why we are all ignorant of one truth or another in our walk with Christ which is why we need His help in making time to read the King James Bible and His wisdom to understand it.
It all begins with the fall of man & God's judgment as the result of that fall;
Genesis 3:[SUP]16 [/SUP]Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
In the N.T. , the judgment is still in effect. Where the epistle to Timothy forbids a woman to even speak which Paul referenced the order of authority even back to Adam & Eve when Adam was created first to receive God's words before Eve was created and thus Adam was responsible for teaching her what God has told him. It was because Eve did not hear it from God directly is how the devil deceived Eve into doubting Adam's word about what God has said; and it was Adam listening to Eve that led him to doubt what he had heard from God.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]34 [/SUP]Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.[SUP]35 [/SUP]And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.[SUP]36 [/SUP]What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?[SUP]37 [/SUP]If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.[SUP]38 [/SUP]But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
Now when the word of truth is before us, we need to stop wresting scripture about what is the commandment of the Lord because we all know at one time or another, women complained about the men taking a backseat to everything, and all I can say is that those women that are complaining, better not be the cause of it because they are not submitting to the Lord to command the men to be submissive to Christ to lead in church with His words.
Women that desire the Lord should be involved in outreach ministry in bringing new believers or non-chruch going believers to church whereas the men should be attentive to His words in the KJV and disciple the flock into trusting Jesus Christ in the knowledge of Him of all our hopes in Him as our Good Shepherd for living this reconciled relationship with God through Jesus Christ.
Let's face it; women are more sociable then men. I can see that as a perk in outreach ministry.
Men are not really that sociable. The ones that are hang out, watch sports, or whatever but they really do not talk to each other over important matters of matters of faith even, and yet being submissive to Christ should entail that because men are to disciple other believers; men and women by leading by example for what they trust Christ for so that others can too.
So look at it as men are to be the light within the church while men & women are to be a light out in he world; and that light is Jesus Christ as others should see Him in us is how we live as His in abiding in His words in following Him as His disciples.
It all begins with the fall of man & God's judgment as the result of that fall;
Genesis 3:[SUP]16 [/SUP]Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
In the N.T. , the judgment is still in effect. Where the epistle to Timothy forbids a woman to even speak which Paul referenced the order of authority even back to Adam & Eve when Adam was created first to receive God's words before Eve was created and thus Adam was responsible for teaching her what God has told him. It was because Eve did not hear it from God directly is how the devil deceived Eve into doubting Adam's word about what God has said; and it was Adam listening to Eve that led him to doubt what he had heard from God.
1 Corinthians 14:[SUP]34 [/SUP]Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.[SUP]35 [/SUP]And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.[SUP]36 [/SUP]What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?[SUP]37 [/SUP]If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.[SUP]38 [/SUP]But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
Now when the word of truth is before us, we need to stop wresting scripture about what is the commandment of the Lord because we all know at one time or another, women complained about the men taking a backseat to everything, and all I can say is that those women that are complaining, better not be the cause of it because they are not submitting to the Lord to command the men to be submissive to Christ to lead in church with His words.
Women that desire the Lord should be involved in outreach ministry in bringing new believers or non-chruch going believers to church whereas the men should be attentive to His words in the KJV and disciple the flock into trusting Jesus Christ in the knowledge of Him of all our hopes in Him as our Good Shepherd for living this reconciled relationship with God through Jesus Christ.
Let's face it; women are more sociable then men. I can see that as a perk in outreach ministry.
Men are not really that sociable. The ones that are hang out, watch sports, or whatever but they really do not talk to each other over important matters of matters of faith even, and yet being submissive to Christ should entail that because men are to disciple other believers; men and women by leading by example for what they trust Christ for so that others can too.
So look at it as men are to be the light within the church while men & women are to be a light out in he world; and that light is Jesus Christ as others should see Him in us is how we live as His in abiding in His words in following Him as His disciples.
Let me ask these simple two questions of you Stan:
Do you Believe the Bible is still the ULTIMATE Authority for everything in a Christian's life?
Do you Believe that these two verses are still as applicable to today as they were the day Jesus first spoke them?
Matthew 5:18-19 (NKJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
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Not as simple as you would like us to believe seeing as though the issue on this thread is 'women pastors' and Jesus never spoke about women pastors nor were they ever mentioned in the law. Nice try though, but I personally find this type of tactic very disingenuous.
FYI, all was fulfilled when Jesus rose again from the dead. Jesus was speaking to Jews not to gentiles.
What I find amazing is that you probably know this and yet you attempt to mislead people by making this type of post. Seems you're willing to do and say anything to try to prove a false teaching? I'm quite dismayed!
FYI, all was fulfilled when Jesus rose again from the dead. Jesus was speaking to Jews not to gentiles.
What I find amazing is that you probably know this and yet you attempt to mislead people by making this type of post. Seems you're willing to do and say anything to try to prove a false teaching? I'm quite dismayed!
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