Word of Faith - a Look at what the Bible says!

[LaurenTM]

Actually, cessationists think God quit healing and He no longer does that gig anymore as it passed away with the last Apostle when he dies, which would have been John. Some are little more liberal than that and claim "sometimes God heals, sometimes He doesn't and you never know what God is going to do or not do"... which is still unbelief.

This means, cessationists and those that agree with their position have locked themselves out of the Lord being able to heal them so they are left with nothing but the arm of the flesh and the wisdom of mankind (medical science) should they need healing.

The only way out of that trp is to ask the Lord to forgive them for willing unbelief (choosing to believe promises in God's Word are not true) and get back to foundational Christianity that believes God's Word.

funny

I believe in the spiritual gifts...ALL of them...but I see so much error, that they are but a pale shadow of what they are supposed to be

know why that is? because people WRONGLY ASSUME they have some kind of special favor from God IF He happens to bestow one or two on them...and many who begin aright, go off the rails, get puffed up and eventually lead many astray and there are enough ...cough cough...so called ministries out there, both ongoing and those revealed to be the error they are, and enough FALLEN ministers caught in one sin or another, to indicate the truth of what I just said

I operate in a few of the gifts...even though I grew up in a church where that was not taught

what I know however, is what God has taught me over the years and I stay far away from Club Med gifts...the ones people think are of the Spirit of God but are actually nothing more than a flesh circus, eventually spiraling into the demonic

you know, this will not be received by you, but maybe someone who has their brain in gear, instead of letting emotions run the show, will read and consider it

this:

if you calmed down long enough to listen you might learn something. you are defending what YOU believe and what YOUR experience is...you are not defending God..HE does not need your defence!

you do not seem open to any sort of correction...and you will lob that back at me...but I am not a target you will ever hit

you use the word 'trip'...indicating your well formed superior attitude...that is not from God...God has most likely tried a good number of times to correct your stampede but you do not listen...so now you are hearing it from me

you will not listen

to accuse another of unbelief is a judgement you have no place to make...I don't live in a place where your words have any effect...but I know they do have effect ...a negative effect and you use them because they are your carnal weapons....and for that I am sorry

the harm your type of judgement and emotional diatribe causes is best left with God to deal with

 

[PeterJens]

God promised me LONG LIFE

Now this is presumption. We are promised eternity in Him, that is enough for me.
I trust my Lord for blessing and the use of my life here to His glory.

I have seen people who have lost their short term memory, paralysed, unable to talk
but alive in bed, for 8+ years before their death. I would not wish this on anybody.

So I trust my Lord, that whatever His path for me, I will bring glory to His name.

Now you appear to imply if you do not believe like you do, people will die young.
This is such bad unloving theology, it has nothing to do with the Lord.

If you carry on this way, your end will not be as you hoped, and you may find the
Lord you claim to so much faith in has abandoned you to your sin.

 

[LaurenTM]

You'll need to argue with Jesus on that...

oh the irony

the quiet, deafening irony

 

[Zmouth]

God promised me LONG LIFE

Now this is presumption. We are promised eternity in Him, that is enough for me.
I trust my Lord for blessing and the use of my life here to His glory.

So your claiming the Lord promised eternal life and you are calling him presumptuous? So can you honest say that you have have always been alive? Since eternal means having no beginning nor end of life then if you are going to receive eternal life then you either must have always be alive or you would be willing to lie and say you were since you expect to become eternal.

And it is no justification to say that eternal and everlasting are the same since they are defined by principle not by translation so please don't say that it is a KJV thing, even the fool who keeps silent is counted wise. New International Version
The eternal God is your refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms. Deut 33:27

If you carry on this way, your end will not be as you hoped, and you may find the
Lord you claim to so much faith in has abandoned you to your sin.

I guess if you believe he can forsake him then do you think he would forsake you?
And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith. Deut 32:20

 

[Zmouth]

I operate in a few of the gifts...

I am sure you do, any chance one of the is the discerning of spirits?

trp

you use the word 'trip'..

No he didn't, he typed 'trp' which anyone without the gift of discernment could discern as trap and not trip.

Oh the irony of it all

 

[PeterJens]

So your claiming the Lord promised eternal life and you are calling him presumptuous? So can you honest say that you have have always been alive? Since eternal means having no beginning nor end of life then if you are going to receive eternal life then you either must have always be alive or you would be willing to lie and say you were since you expect to become eternal.

Sorry to point this out your logic is flawed.

Jesus says this Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.
John 3:14-15(NIV)

That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:14-15(KJV)

Now I am going with scripture. Now I have a beginning, but through faith in Christ
I will not have an end. That is Jesus's promise. You appear not to be a christian
by your testimony.

The rest of your comment is irrelevant if you cannot even get this part right.

 

[LaurenTM]

I am sure you do, any chance one of the is the discerning of spirits?

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No he didn't, he typed 'trp' which anyone without the gift of discernment could discern as trap and not trip.

Oh the irony of it all

oh

I didn't know you were his interpreter

however, as his posts are full of spelling errors for some reason, I guess it could go either way

sorry for the glee you seem to have found

that's a trip/trap all by itself

 

[LaurenTM]

have I missed somewhere the Bible says we should pray for the gift of mockery?

so many seem to have that gift

 

[Zmouth]

Sorry to point this out your logic is flawed.

Jesus says this Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.
John 3:14-15(NIV)

That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:14-15(KJV)

Now I am going with scripture. Now I have a beginning, but through faith in Christ
I will not have an end. That is Jesus's promise. You appear not to be a christian
by your testimony.

The rest of your comment is irrelevant if you cannot even get this part right.

Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: John 5:39

But honestly, what does your innards tell you?

 

[Zmouth]

have I missed somewhere the Bible says we should pray for the gift of mockery?

so many seem to have that gift

The truth does make a mockery of the lies doesn't it.

 

[PeterJens]

Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: John 5:39

But honestly, what does your innards tell you?

I walk with Jesus and His word.
Do you know the Lord at all?

I have walked with the Lord for 40+ years, so I wonder where you foundation
is.

Maybe you feel something through the words I am writing.
Jesus is my Lord, who died and rose again for the forgiveness of sins for those
who believe in Him.

Do you know this in your heart? Because I do, it is who I am.

If you knew love in the core of your life, you would know Jesus's heart.
Eternity is the turning of love in man free from pain and hurt, so they
can bring glory to the Fathers son.

 

[PeterJens]

innards

Are you a throw back 300 years or so, lol?

 

[LaurenTM]

A common tactic of WOF is to attack people and tell them they either have NO faith or their faith is NOT good faith

The Bible says nothing about the quality of faith...be reminded that Jesus said if you have faith like a GRAIN OF MUSTARD SEED!

in order to formulate and quantify the WOF doctrine, MANY scriptures are over emphasized and others are just shoved aside...but don't take my word for it! examine the scriptures for yourself...they do NOT say what WOF tries to make them say!


The WOF is quick to call those outside the camp scoffers...deniars...liars...faithless...unloving...and various other slurs...all of which are judged by a doctrine that is erroneous and basically doctrines of demons...it is a seduction and pleases itching ears and those who eat it, will bear the fruit of it

Here is one such story: (I will post all of it in this thread but not all in one post...or you can go to 'source' and click on the link to the entire article)

Ex- word of faith Christian finally develops a High view of God and is declared apostate!


For the last 2 years, [Holly says] since leaving the Word of Faith movement, there have been erroneous assumptions, by people of that camp, that I have left the Faith. However, nothing could be further from the truth. If anything, I have become more solidified in Christian truths and more passionate in my service to God than ever before. I trust that through this 2-part article, God would grant me the ability to “make a defense to those who have asked a reason for the hope that is in me and that I may be able to do it with gentleness and respect” (1 Pet. 3.15).In this discourse, I have no intention of “sowing strife”, as is commonly asserted by WoF[1] leadership toward those who resist their teaching. Although it is certain, offense will surely come, I will attempt, by the grace of God, to present my beliefs within the landscape of scripture and by the brush of simple reasoning.“To maintain pure truth in the church, we should be ready to make any sacrifice, to hazard peace, to risk dissention and run the chance of division.” – J.C. Ryle

What Happened?

In January 2009, I reached the peak of a 4-year crisis of my faith. Everything I had been taught to believe as true was falling to pieces around me. None of my positive confessions were working, none of the formulas I had been taught that would “move the hand of God” were coming to pass and no one seemed serious enough about their faith to give extended study to the scriptures to bring clarification to the many questions I had regarding our beliefs. All the coaching to exercise my “faith muscle” began to sound like, at best – a cop-out for lack of biblical counseling or at worst – a formulated mantra.


SOURCE

 

[LaurenTM]

LOL!

thx for the rep Stephen

 

[nowyouseem033]

Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: John 5:39

But honestly, what does your innards tell you?

*SIGH* you again have committed the context sin. He was speaking to the religious pharisees who used the hebrew scriptures as justification for there salvation without the need for Christ. Here let me complete that incompleted verse you took out of context... John 5:39 "Search the scriptures; for in them you think you have eternal life. These are the very scriptures that testify of ME!!!! ​Do not take scripture out of its CONTEXT

 

[Zmouth]

Are you a throw back 300 years or so, lol?

means inside , or course the definition depends upon the tongue since some people think their innards are the organs but those who tongue comes from their innards know what I am talking about cause the devil speaks from the tongue in his mouth but the words of the faithful come the gift of their innards.

As a living soul where do you look to find Jesus in flesh or within your soul? Knowing Jesus you ought to know where he dwells.

 

[nowyouseem033]

Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: John 5:39

But honestly, what does your innards tell you?

John 5:39 tells you that the scriptures in and of themselves are not eternl life but what the scriptures point to??? or who the scriptures point too.. Jesus has eternal life and he gives it to those who believe in him. Remember John 5:39 Does say that The scriptures testify of him... but you cut that part out for some reason.?

 

[Zmouth]

*SIGH* you again have committed the context sin. He was speaking to the religious pharisees who used the hebrew scriptures as justification for there salvation without the need for Christ. Here let me complete that incompleted verse you took out of context... John 5:39 "Search the scriptures; for in them you think you have eternal life. These are the very scriptures that testify of ME!!!! ​Do not take scripture out of its CONTEXT

Oh geez, you got that out of a book when the book tells you man shall not live by the book alone but by every word that proceedeth from the mouth of the LORD. Especially since the new covenant is written within. Oh darn.

 

[LaurenTM]

*SIGH* you again have committed the context sin. He was speaking to the religious pharisees who used the hebrew scriptures as justification for there salvation without the need for Christ. Here let me complete that incompleted verse you took out of context... John 5:39 "Search the scriptures; for in them you think you have eternal life. These are the very scriptures that testify of ME!!!! ​Do not take scripture out of its CONTEXT

if they didn't do that, there would be no WOF!...not to mention all the other opinions and flagrant misquotes that create all the horrible and erroneous beliefs that pass for Christian when they really are not at all!

however, another poster already told the op that saying such things was just an opinion

as in, it is your (op's) opinion that we need to have contextual support for what we say something in scripture means

so just throw out the whole thing...no context, who cares about Greek (anyway the scholars already translated so we don't have to) and let's go by emotions because that is why we have them

hurts to even think people believe that lie and offer NO support for it either

 

[nowyouseem033]

Oh geez, you got that out of a book when the book tells you man shall not live by the book alone but by every word that proceedeth from the mouth of the LORD. Especially since the new covenant is written within. Oh darn.

Again WRONG!!!! Matthew 4:4 "Man shall not live by BREAD alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God" Its bread alone not book alone. GEEZZZ you really are terrible. I hope you are joking cause if your not then yikes... you got to sort your eyes out. How many times do I have to correct you. PLEASE no more out of context sins. Otherwise your becoming quite the fine heretic you are.