Word of Faith - a Look at what the Bible says!

[wanderer6059]

I'm really torn between several things, after reading the rest of this thread.

The most important is:

BIBLE BIBLE BIBLE. BIBLE. BIBLE. BIBLE. BIBLE BIBLE. BIBLE BIBLE BIBLE BIBLE. BIBLE. BIBLE.

I saw so little Bible posted, or answers to the verses I posted, I can only grieve, that the Word of God is so totally ignored, that internet preachers are quoted, but not the Bible, and opinions are posted against Bible verses.

Then there is:

CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT

I saw almost no verses posted in context. I saw not one attempt to address the context I added. I saw lists of Scriptures that could have easily been found on any Bible search site, by entering "heal" and "healing." Then eliminating the verses where someone was not healed, who obeyed God and served him (Thinking of my buddy Job, for the first 40 some verses in Job)

I posted context, and people said it was "opinion." Why? Because the Bible proved them wrong? Then there was the person, when I carefully did the exegetics and context and they did not reply to what I said, or show me why I was wrong in the Bible, but called me "arrogant" or words to that effect, because I went through the whole chapter of Mark 11 and showed what it was about?

I know where the Bible stands on healing. God heals. God uses doctors to heal. And sometimes people are not healed. Case closed. But tread on someone's false doctrines, which were debunked using the Bible, and you get called names, or told you are using opinion? How childish.

Then there were all those who never read the OP. Lauren did. She said over and over, my goal was to discuss the WoF using the BIBLE. I wasn't online last night. I went to church this morning. I spent time with my husband today. I come back to find Wanderer posting huge lists of verses pulled out of context, no exegetics to "prove" his erroneous supposed Bible school teachings. Buts least he was posting the Bible, which the other 95% of posts were not. And, he never did answer my OP. I do hope that was because he simply could not. The Bible does not guarantee healing, ever! And it certainly is not something that can be demanded or claimed.

I also spent time today looking at James 5:14-15 in a Greek exegetical commentary. It is definitely a verse about praying for the sick. If anyone had just taken the time to really look at it, they would have found a good verse to support themselves. I am objectiive enough to say that. However, having been prayed for by the elders of my church, but was not healed. (and the exegetical book, by way of Greek grammar, noting that if the person was not healed, and they were not living sinfully (always a possibility!) that it was the fault of the elders if the person prayed for was not healed.)

How many of you WoF people would be willing to pray for me, and if I was not healed, would take responsiblity for me not being healed? By the way, in closing, I am beginning to feel much better. Better meds, but some interesting thoughts today as to why it took so long to get on the 4th med. And none of them had to do with me being healed.

Anyway, God is good. I'm sorry for those caught in this cult. And also sorry for those who did not read the OP, so that Isa. 53 and its relationship to 1 Peter 2:24. I will repost just that part, for those who obviously do not read things that might confront their long held but Biblically wrong doctrines.

This leads me to have a very sour taste in my mouth. I don't care about the insults towards me. I have had lots of those here. I'm a big girl! What boogles me is the utter lack of knowledge, that people who claim to be Christian, display. Jesus must weep over his people. And I am not talking healing or prosperity but just a total lack of knowledge.

i will say sister i have enjoyed my conversation with you, and it is a amazing debate!

i love that you actually give me the time of day and respond to my scripture. i would pray with you, first though as always i would ask how i could pray for you. and i would not stop, and i will tell you this, ever step in the medical healing prosses is a victory of God's we should celebrate!

 

[wanderer6059]

WOF is heresy doctrine..... written by a heretic, E.W. Kenyon, plagiarized by a liar & heretic, Kenneth Hagin, & taught by other well-known heretics, such as Joseph Prince & Kenneth Copeland.

When a known wolf teaches a doctrine, alarms ought to be going off in your head.

i think you should read some of there stuff first before saying that, do you even have proof for what you speak? at least when they make a point they use the word...

 

[Stephen63]

Alarms go off in my head when someone sits there and screams heretic more than once in a post. The alarm that goes off for me is Hateful.

Really? You're accusing me of "screaming" heretic & being hateful? You don't even know me!

Then again..... you're so new you could just be a banned member sneaking back in.

Read your own words if you want hateful.....

 

[Stephen63]

i think you should read some of there stuff first before saying that, do you even have proof for what you speak? at least when they make a point they use the word...

k.....Kenneth Copeland preaches "little gods" doctrine, Hagin believes in holy laughter & name it & claim it, Joseph Prince teaches he "received" from the Lord "Free grace" doctrine, which is hypergrace, in 1997 & Kenyon was into mysticism.

Want me to read some more? You can get some of this on Wikipedia! Where have you been? It's all over the internet!

 

[wanderer6059]

k.....Kenneth Copeland preaches "little gods" doctrine, Hagin believes in holy laughter & name it & claim it, Joseph Prince teaches he "received" from the Lord "Free grace" doctrine, which is hypergrace, in 1997 & Kenyon was into mysticism.

Want me to read some more? You can get some of this on Wikipedia! Where have you been? It's all over the internet!

post links where they taught it, especially Hagin, i'm at that church and you are taking him out of context.

 

[bluto]

post links where they taught it, especially Hagin, i'm at that church and you are taking him out of context.

You know wanderer that is the number one excuse by wof followeres like youself that the wof teachers and preachers are "always taken out of context." Now, I have never been wof but I have been to many of their meetings/conventions in Southeren California at the Anaheim convention center. I also have many friends that were wof and finally they came to their senses by the grace of God.

You ask one of the posters here for proof of some of their actions and teachings. Per your request look at the following:
Largest Audio/Video library of Pentecostal Manifestation Heresy in the world! Even though these are of kenneth copeland hagin and others are there in some of the videos and copelands mentor was kenneth hagin, he learned from him.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

 

[LanceA]

Really? You're accusing me of "screaming" heretic & being hateful? You don't even know me!

Then again..... you're so new you could just be a banned member sneaking back in.

Read your own words if you want hateful.....

Hi, actually in the new member area I stated I am a returning member with the same name. I had my account closed and took a break. So no I was never banned

 

[Cee]

Everytime someone is not healed when I pray for them, I take responsibility.

I never blame another person's faith.

When Jesus is asked by a questioning father why his son was not healed by the disciples He says the following:

First to lay down some context.

Man speaks to Jesus:

Matthew 17:16And I brought him to your disciples, and they could not heal him."

Jesus, quite annoyed, points to faith:

17And Jesus answered, “O faithless and twisted generation, how long am I to be with you? How long am I to bear with you? Bring him here to me.”

The disciples couldn't heal the boy so Jesus does:
- This shows us that God's will was for the boy to be healed, but unfortunately the disciples couldn't do it.

18And Jesus rebuked the demon,[SUP]b[/SUP] and it[SUP]c[/SUP] came out of him, and the boy was healed instantly.

And this is my continual prayer when I can't set people free like Jesus promised.

19Then the disciples came to Jesus privately and said, “Why could we not cast it out?"

And here is Jesus answer to them and to me:

20He said to them, “Because of your little faith. For truly, I say to you, if you have faith like a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move, and nothing will be impossible for you.”

I've seen healings, I've seen sickness bow it's knee before the name of Jesus, I've seen demons cast out of people. And I've seen people die. And it sucks. I've lost family members that I've prayed over all night long. And I don't blame a single person's faith. I blame my own. I still don't believe in God's power above circumstances at times. I'm still growing in grace and faith, but I continue forward forgetting the past, but pressing forward to the upward call of Christ. Doing His will on the Earth, being His witness, and showing the world He is still good today.

But the idea that things are how they're supposed to be when people die just doesn't add up in Scripture. Death isn't a friend of God, it's the last enemy to go. God is life. Sure people die, but it doesn't mean God likes it. He's not willing for any to perish.

Jesus is our perfect example of God.

He never said this is the will of God for you to be sick.
He never said your days are numbered, so I'm not going to free you from Satan's bondage.
He never said God doesn't heal today.
He did say, I have come to set prisoners free.
He did say, believers will do the works I have done.

This isn't about Name it or Claim it. It's not about perfect health and wealth. It's about doing everything God has called us to do. Sure some may distort the gospel, that's there choice. But others desire for God's name to be glorified. I believe God loves and blesses doctors, because He doesn't like sickness either. And if we're honest, something inside of us agrees, that's why we still go to doctors when prayers sometimes don't set us free. Because if we truly believed it was God's will for us to go through sickness, why would we go to doctors? It's just something people say because supernatural gifts are foolishness to the natural mind.

It's sad to me when I see spiritual things being snuffed out. Prophesy isn't for today many say. Healing isn't for today many say. Are we truly new creations? Many still believe they are "just flesh".

Paul explains this condition: Brothers, I could not address you as spiritual, but as worldly--as infants in Christ.

Not that I think you're an infant Angela, I believe you're more mature than most. But while many see those who align with spiritual things as immature, Paul saw it is maturity in Christ.

Trust me, I get it. It's super hard to believe God wants His people healed when our experiences tell us otherwise. But God also wants us to be drug free, not sexually immoral, not in states of anxiety, fear, and depression. We know this because His word tells us, but people still struggle with these things. Not everyone is saved, but we know God desires all to be saved. He doesn't want anyone to perish (die). He's the author of life, but He has chosen to partner with us in seeing His will on Earth. So many are waiting for things to get worse, they have lost the hope that things can get better. But I still have hope. I know He has overcome and has given us the victory. And that victory is our faith.

C.

I'm really torn between several things, after reading the rest of this thread.

The most important is:

BIBLE BIBLE BIBLE. BIBLE. BIBLE. BIBLE. BIBLE BIBLE. BIBLE BIBLE BIBLE BIBLE. BIBLE. BIBLE.

I saw so little Bible posted, or answers to the verses I posted, I can only grieve, that the Word of God is so totally ignored, that internet preachers are quoted, but not the Bible, and opinions are posted against Bible verses.

Then there is:

CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT CONTEXT

I saw almost no verses posted in context. I saw not one attempt to address the context I added. I saw lists of Scriptures that could have easily been found on any Bible search site, by entering "heal" and "healing." Then eliminating the verses where someone was not healed, who obeyed God and served him (Thinking of my buddy Job, for the first 40 some verses in Job)

I posted context, and people said it was "opinion." Why? Because the Bible proved them wrong? Then there was the person, when I carefully did the exegetics and context and they did not reply to what I said, or show me why I was wrong in the Bible, but called me "arrogant" or words to that effect, because I went through the whole chapter of Mark 11 and showed what it was about?

I know where the Bible stands on healing. God heals. God uses doctors to heal. And sometimes people are not healed. Case closed. But tread on someone's false doctrines, which were debunked using the Bible, and you get called names, or told you are using opinion? How childish.

Then there were all those who never read the OP. Lauren did. She said over and over, my goal was to discuss the WoF using the BIBLE. I wasn't online last night. I went to church this morning. I spent time with my husband today. I come back to find Wanderer posting huge lists of verses pulled out of context, no exegetics to "prove" his erroneous supposed Bible school teachings. Buts least he was posting the Bible, which the other 95% of posts were not. And, he never did answer my OP. I do hope that was because he simply could not. The Bible does not guarantee healing, ever! And it certainly is not something that can be demanded or claimed.

I also spent time today looking at James 5:14-15 in a Greek exegetical commentary. It is definitely a verse about praying for the sick. If anyone had just taken the time to really look at it, they would have found a good verse to support themselves. I am objectiive enough to say that. However, having been prayed for by the elders of my church, but was not healed. (and the exegetical book, by way of Greek grammar, noting that if the person was not healed, and they were not living sinfully (always a possibility!) that it was the fault of the elders if the person prayed for was not healed.)

How many of you WoF people would be willing to pray for me, and if I was not healed, would take responsiblity for me not being healed? By the way, in closing, I am beginning to feel much better. Better meds, but some interesting thoughts today as to why it took so long to get on the 4th med. And none of them had to do with me being healed.

Anyway, God is good. I'm sorry for those caught in this cult. And also sorry for those who did not read the OP, so that Isa. 53 and its relationship to 1 Peter 2:24. I will repost just that part, for those who obviously do not read things that might confront their long held but Biblically wrong doctrines.

This leads me to have a very sour taste in my mouth. I don't care about the insults towards me. I have had lots of those here. I'm a big girl! What boogles me is the utter lack of knowledge, that people who claim to be Christian, display. Jesus must weep over his people. And I am not talking healing or prosperity but just a total lack of knowledge.

 

[Cee]

So many are waiting for things to get worse, they have lost the hope that things can get better. But I still have hope we will make disciples in all nations. And then His Kingdom in all it's fullness shall come, when He does, but He has told us to preach the gospel of His Kingdom today. And also to demonstrate it with gifts and fruits of His Spirit.

Don't get me wrong, spiritual fruit is more important to me, but we need both. I know He has overcome and has given us the victory. And that victory is our faith.

 

[LanceA]

So many are waiting for things to get worse, they have lost the hope that things can get better. But I still have hope we will make disciples in all nations. And then His Kingdom in all it's fullness shall come, when He does, but He has told us to preach the gospel of His Kingdom today. And also to demonstrate it with gifts and fruits of His Spirit.

Don't get me wrong, spiritual fruit is more important to me, but we need both. I know He has overcome and has given us the victory. And that victory is our faith.

I would rep you again if I could Cee. I'm going to send you a private message if you are ok with that?

 

[oldethennew]

HEB. 10:38.
Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, My soul shall have no pleasure in him.

HEB. 12:2.
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before Him
endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

JAMES 1:6.
But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea
driven with the wind and tossed.

JAMES 2:5.
Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith,
and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

JAMES 2:14.
What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can Faith save him?

JAMES 2:17.
Even so Faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

REV. 14:12.
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the Commandments of God, and the Faith of Jesus.

 

[Angela53510]

I just wanted to comment on the bit in bold. Generally speaking from youth to middle age, unless you are
genetically predisposed towards some sort of illness, it is the norm for people to have this amount of time
without having anything major wrong, apart from the odd virus cold etc. Even non Christians can claim that!

Men especially should remain healthy longer as they do not have the complications of monthly cycles
to deal with, giving birth, menopause etc.

Until the age of 37 I had no medical problems.

My cousin who is 57 and is not a Christians has never had anything wrong with him.

On the other hand I know a Christian who refuses to go to doctors unless she is really bad,
even then she still prefers to pray and believe for healing and only uses any prescription as a last
resort. She is very much a WOF person. She tells everyone to pray for healing and to anoint
themselves with oil. She always tells people God always heals her and she never gets ill.

I know however that what she says and thinks is not reality, she has suffered from depression,
shingles, pneumonia, she currently has cataracts. She also has glaucoma - I did have a problem with
pressure in my eyes and she told me all I had to do was pray for healing. I didn't point out what
about you, why do you still have glaucoma as im not that cruel!


This is the problem WOF people like to hide behind reality. They tell you just pray and if you are
not healed they say it's because of unbelief, but many of them are not healed either! So either
God is wrong or they are wrong and unrealistic.

Can I ask is everyone in WOF churches without sickness, is everyone rich, is everyone
having their needs met. If not why not! That's what WOF teaches isn't it. What does happen
is people in these churches get disillusioned with God (due to the over emphasis
on these things) then when it doesn't work for them, they leave. They end up with a false
expectation of God. They chase after experiences instead of a relationship with God.


For the record I do believe God provides and God heals and that He meets our needs. But
our needs and our wants are two different things. Many Christian were fed to the lions and
persecuted and Peter was crucified, do you think any of them wanted that! Do you think
Job wanted his family destroyed and wanted to lose everything.


To give you a more balanced view here are some examples.

1) A fantastic lady who currently leads a women's ministry across the UK and has done lots of
missionary work had a serious car accident a number of years ago. She ended up quadriplegic.

People really prayed and so did she, after several months she got the use of her upper body back
but was still in a wheelchair with no feeling in her legs. During that time she learnt much about
patience, humility, judging, faith, priorities, leaning on God. Then some years later the rest of
her body was healed.

She was ecstatic but she questioned God as to why it had taken so long.
She felt God told her that while she was only interested in her body, her spirit was of more
importance to Him. Now as I say she leads an amazing women's ministry and that might not
have been possible without the lessons learnt and the spiritual growth while in the wheel chair.
She says this herself when she comes to our church, this is her own testimony.
Did God cause the crash, absolutely not but what Satan meant for destruction, God turned
around for good. Is God faithful Yes. Is He true to His word Yes.

However if she had been in a WOF church they would have told her she must be unbelieving
or not living in a right relationship with God.

2) At age 37 I became extremely ill with Graves' disease, overactive thyroid. My levels were off the
scale they could not measure them they just plug 100 plus (should have been between 12-16).
For first two and a half years I had to go to hospital every 6 weeks for checks they could not get
the balance right. I had doctors urging me to have radioactive iodine treatment. Basically you
swallow a radioactive tablet and it chemically destroys the thyroid gland. You then end up
underactive and end up taking thyroxine for life.

I kept refusing the treatment as I felt God was telling me I would be healed. This wasn't
a false expectation from man. This was a real expectation from God. Then one night I
had a dream (God often speaks to me in dreams). It was of a man with dark curly hair
he came to me in the dream and said it was coming to an end. That's all nothing else.

Next time I went to hospital I was told my bloods were the best they had been! It took
another year of going back and forwards before everything was completely normal so
even then it was a gradual healing. But that dream was the turning point.
Yet WOF would have told me I should have been instantly healed and when I was
eventually healed they would have claimed it was their faith teaching, but this was
entirely God and not man.


3) My elderly aunt who I care for was hospitalised 3 times last year. Then in Oct last
year she ended up in hospital again, I was told there was no hope she was dying.
To go home and leave my phone on, they would tell me when her heart stopped.

I had a dream that a man was bending over her in hospital sprinkling her with water.
He had his head bent down so I could not see his face but I believe he may have been an
angel. Next day I took some oil to hospital and put it on her.

Four days later she was still alive so the hospital began to treat her as a patient rather than a
dying person. The original issue likely to cause death began to resolve itself but she was
still very ill with many other things. They discovered she had two very mild strokes, she had
reduced kidney function below 20%. The catherter caused severe water infections. She had
delirium was hallucinating.

It took 12 weeks before she came home, even then it was a good 6 months before
she was back to her normal self. The hospital did in the natural what they could do.
God did in the supernatural what they could not. It was a gradual mixed healing.
She still has many health issues but God has been good to us. As a result of her
illnesses we are getting so much more help than we ever did before. She is doing
well despite her various medical issues. All that happened without the benefit of
WOF doctrine. It happened because it was God's will and plan. Yet WOF would
say only they know the truth about healing.


I could give numerous other examples where I have had warnings of things.
Or where healings have taken place some instant some delayed.
All have been under the amazing loving provision of God. I could also give many examples
where people are not healed.

Just simple trust in God and His promises and simple prayers are the key. Sometimes
prayers said out of desperation. The key I think is being real before God, not just
repeating verses parrot fashion like some kind of mantra or good luck charm.
You don't get faith by speaking words. It's deeper than that it's about having a
relationship with Jesus and surrending up the real you to God. That's why
WOF does not work. The bible is not a good luck charm.

Sometimes we are not healed God knows the reasons why. But I know
our spiritual state and emotional state are important to God, it's better to
be healed spiritually and spend eternity with Him, than to be healed physically
and be lost.

Re the issue of blessings and prosperity. God has always gotten me through regardless
of circumstances. I'm no millionaire, I live in a rented council house so don't own my
own home. I'm in work but have had a spell of unemployment.

Im definately not physically rich! But God's provision does not guarantee physical
prosperity it never did. The riches in Christ are spiritual!

This post triggered some thoughts in me. (OK, I'm violating my own "please post the Bible only" rules, but since no one else seems to care, I give up.)

I had no health problems at all till. I was around 37. When I was 35, I had my 4th and last child. She was a twin, and I lost the other one early on. I could not have a D &C so who knows what was getting into my system for 6 months. Two years after she was born, a beautifully healthy child, like all my kids, I started getting allergies and developed asthma.

My allergist fingered the pregnancy as the reason for my allergies. And they got worse, and I was in the ER daily for breathing treatments, besides the prednisone and 3 inhalers. When the allergist suggested allergy shots, I jumped at it.

In those days they did not know allergy shots triggered RA. They won't even give allergy shots to anyone who has RA in their family, these days. So after 5 years of allergy shots, I started getting joint pain which was not properly diagnosed really for 7 years. They also know now that RA has to be hit hard early on to keep it from becoming severe. What the doctors do not know!

Then I developed a few other autoimmune diseases.

The point being, the Word Faith people prayed for me, blamed me when I was not healed, then the leader got sick and died. Some doctrine!

Then a look at my mom. She is 87 and has literally nothing wrong with her. Not even false teeth or hearing aids. She wore out her hip and knee golfing, and have to have them replaced, but nothing else wrong with her, including a pretty good memory. Right - she never had to go through the pregnancy I went through, nor the abuse I went through at home, another trigger.

So I led my mom to the Lord 6 years ago. She was just healthy. My father too, till he got amyloidosis, which did kill him at 83. But healthy his whole life, and not a Christian till 5 months before he died! When my husband and I led him to the Lord.

So, 2 unsaved people live long and healthy lives. Then me, the Christian for 36 years, gets sick! Is it because my parents believed God for health? Not at all! Is it because I did not? No - I believed!

I was prayed for, and I continue to ask for prayer for this terrible disease. The last year I have gotten all kinds of horrible new deformities. But I have not gotten depressed and God has been so real. He has been with me every step of the way.

When I got sick 18 years ago, and was judged and condemned by the Word Faith people, I did not know the Bible. I thought God had abandoned me. Now, I know the Bible well. And I know that God has changed and transformed me in amazing ways - he has given me a ministry to the hurting and broken - to comfort them. Even today, I was with a woman with schizophrenia, just being her friend, and loving her. That is what God has taught me to do.

Some of the people on this thread are desperately wrong. I had really hoped to discuss why, but found out it is because they really don't know the Bible except in bits and snippets from their JP and KH & KC videos. That makes me more sad than having RA. That makes me grieve more than being bed ridden with this disease, like I was last year.

People who are judgemental, condemning and thinking they have to defend "the promises of God," need to read the Bible, without a teacher except the Holy Spirit for a few years. Drop the false doctrine, and find a real ministry in caring for others. Or even walking in the gifts God has given you, but not till you know the Bible well enough, that when liars twist the Bible, you know how to answer them.

As for me, I am praising God every single day for his mercy, his love and his amazing grace. And that he continues to lead and guide me and give me incredible ministries serving him and his people. That is a testimony that no opinion can counter.

 

[Whassup]

Spiritual healing not physical.

If you truly believe what you say... you won't ever have to concern yourself or pray for God to heal you should you ever need it... cause He won't.

In context of the Great Commission... Jesus says the gift of healing is ongoing and it's healing in all areas including physical.

I've not been sick on over 2 decades, so you've come a little late to convince me that physical healing is not for me.

It apparently is not for you since you choose to believe it's not... but is IS for me. I'll be well physically and spiritually right up until the day I die at a very old age, or until the rapture happens which ever comes first. See ya!

 

[nowyouseem033]

If you truly believe what you say... you won't ever have to concern yourself or pray for God to heal you should you ever need it... cause He won't.

In context of the Great Commission... Jesus says the gift of healing is ongoing and it's healing in all areas including physical.

I've not been sick on over 2 decades, so you've come a little late to convince me that physical healing is not for me.

It apparently is not for you since you choose to believe it's not... but is IS for me. I'll be well physically and spiritually right up until the day I die at a very old age, or until the rapture happens which ever comes first. See ya!

Well thats great and all but alot of Christians still live with sicknesses who do pray and ask God to heal. I am not one of them as im fit and healthy but i know alot who arent. They would certainly loved to be healed but they also know God isnt obligated to give healing on this side of eternity because it awaits us in the next. So thats great for you and me because we are both sickness free, but others are not in a similar place like we are. Telling them God will heal them soon in this life is not a wise thing to say but foolish. Afterall Jesus died to secure for us eternity with him in his new kingdom as we are simply passing by in this life on our way home.

 

[Whassup]

Telling them God will heal them soon in this life is not a wise thing to say but foolish.

If healing is not available right now... then the Word of God contains lies and Jesus Christ is a fraud!

There are promises that God made that we can in fact be healed physically right now... but, since so many believe like you do and tell other Christians God doesn't heal anymore... the Word of God is choked out of people's lives where healing is concerned and they suffer or die.

People need to be taught that God is not a liar...

 

[nowyouseem033]

If healing is not available right now... then the Word of God contains lies and Jesus Christ is a fraud!

There are promises that God made that we can in fact be healed physically right now... but, since so many believe like you do and tell other Christians God doesn't heal anymore... the Word of God is choked out of people's lives where healing is concerned and they suffer or die.

People need to be taught that God is not a liar...

I think you are the most ignorant, arrogant person to tell me what i believe. Afterall i clarified that God can heal and does heal through the prayer of his people. Dont put words in my mouth i never said... such as "since so many people believe like you do and tell other Christians God doesnt heal anymore.." EXCUSE ME! I never said God doesnt heal anymore!!! but you fail and i mean categorically FAIL to make a distinction. Let me clarify all over again and i shall keep doing so until you understand what im saying. Healing is available now BUT it is not guaranteed right now. The Word of God more so talks about our eternal well being over our temporal well being and Yes i do believe God heals but isnt forced to do so because you demanded from him to do so. You need to be taught not to take peoples words out of context and stop being so blatantly ignorant to other peoples position.

 

[Whassup]

Healing is available now BUT it is not guaranteed right now

That's the lie satan goes around telling in his effort to prevent people from receiving what God promised in His Word... healing is for us today.

I don't have to "demand" God to heal me... it was His idea in the first place, and He wants to heal me and keep me well more than I want to be well. For this cause was Jesus manifested that He might destroy the works of the devil (1 John 3:8)... we decide whether He can or not in our lives cause it's up to us to receive what Jesus paid for.

Jesus has already paid for healing just like He paid for sin... so, God will teach those that are interested how to live free from sin and free from sickness / disease. It's been PAID for...

You can accept it, or reject it... your call brutha bro fan man

 

[nowyouseem033]

If healing is not available right now... then the Word of God contains lies and Jesus Christ is a fraud!

There are promises that God made that we can in fact be healed physically right now... but, since so many believe like you do and tell other Christians God doesn't heal anymore... the Word of God is choked out of people's lives where healing is concerned and they suffer or die.

People need to be taught that God is not a liar...

So what about those Christians who arent healed from there sicknesses, who have prayed over and over again to be healed. How say them? What about Christians in hostile nations who are tortured and abused and even worse killed for there faith who pray to God to deliver them at that very moment and still remain suffering for years and years. How say them? If you dont be careful your going to be in one of them cults like christian science and church of scientology who believe healing takes place here and now and refuse medicine and doctors, because they are SSSSSSOOOO FAITHFUL

 

[Whassup]

Lack of Knowledge
Hosea 4:6
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

Lack of Vision
Proverbs 29:18
Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he.
(see also: 2 Corinthians 4:4, and Ephesians 1:18)

Proverbs 13:12
Hope deferred (put off) makes the heart sick: but when the desire cometh, it is a tree of life.

Being Carnal Minded
Romans 8:1-7
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Not Understanding the Lord's Body
1 Corinthians 11:28-30
But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.

Unbelief
Hebrews 4:2-11
For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
For he spoke in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
There remains therefore a rest to the people of God.
For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Choosing to Reject Deliverance
Hebrews 11:35
...and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection

Some choose to not receive deliverance and go on to Heaven, even though deliverance has been made available to them through the anointing in God's Word.

However, this is not God's best as people that do this are willingly choosing to allow their lives to be cut short without regard to God's promise of long life spoken of in Psalms 91, among other places.

Our goal in staying here should be to impact as many lives as possible to not only make decisions for Christ to become born-again believers, but to learn and grow up to become overcomers in this life.

This is what "living" for God is all about. Dying is easy. The trick is to live an overcoming life and bring as many people as possible into the Kingdom of God because this pleases the Father as it's His desire for His house to be full.

 

[nowyouseem033]

That's the lie satan goes around telling in his effort to prevent people from receiving what God promised in His Word... healing is for us today.

I don't have to "demand" God to heal me... it was His idea in the first place, and He wants to heal me and keep me well more than I want to be well.

Jesus has already paid for healing just like He paid for sin... so, God will teach those that are interested how to live free from sin and free from sickness / disease. It's been PAID for...

You can accept it, or reject it... your call brutha bro fan man

I reject it on the basis of your poor biblical illiteracy and exegesis. Jesus died for your sins. Well i agree there but to claim that Jesus died for your healing is simply untrue and Isaiah 53:5 and 2 Peter is not the proof text for it. So since Christians have sickness your saying that they are not believing Jesus in specific his death on the cross for there healing? So Christians who are sick either one, Jesus didnt do a good enough job to secure there healing or two, Christians do not have faith in the cross of Christ even though they pray over and over again for them to be healed? Which one, because both are wrong if you rid yourself of this idea that Jesus purchased your healing when its clear there are many Christians who wear glasses, walk on crutches, wheelchairs, etc etc.