Word of Faith - a Look at what the Bible says!
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I continue to post what I believe about the grace and love of God despite the attempts to malign. I realize that anyone that doesn't agree with "us" on a subject is going to get insulted in some form but I will let them continue as they wish.
But I will say - that is not the real us . That is not who we are in Christ. If we want to fight for the right to malign and insult others - we are free to do so but there is a better life and purpose for us in Christ. I encourage all of us to walk in that truth.
I am not going to play the "malice" back and forth game because it serves no purpose but to cause strife and division amongst us. This is the behavior that the mods were trying to stop from both sides of arguments. This is the very same behavior that is happening here too.
Peace to you Lauren...and I bless you and your husband as the Lord loves you dearly. The Lord has great things planned for you guys as you walk with Him.
I am done with this thread and will not enter it again even to look as the carnage continues - as it has been from the start just a place to express bitterness and hatred and malice towards others that view healing differently then what others do and that has been from both sides.
Galatians 5:15-16 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But if you bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.
But I will say - that is not the real us . That is not who we are in Christ. If we want to fight for the right to malign and insult others - we are free to do so but there is a better life and purpose for us in Christ. I encourage all of us to walk in that truth.
I am not going to play the "malice" back and forth game because it serves no purpose but to cause strife and division amongst us. This is the behavior that the mods were trying to stop from both sides of arguments. This is the very same behavior that is happening here too.
Peace to you Lauren...and I bless you and your husband as the Lord loves you dearly. The Lord has great things planned for you guys as you walk with Him.
I am done with this thread and will not enter it again even to look as the carnage continues - as it has been from the start just a place to express bitterness and hatred and malice towards others that view healing differently then what others do and that has been from both sides.
Galatians 5:15-16 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But if you bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh.
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This is why if one wants to correct, to discipline, to teach you have to understand what
you are really saying. The point of forums like this is to put forward positions and to see
what is the response, or if there is a valid response.
I have been shocked by what some call as sensible responses, G7 is a prime example.
He claims to have some spiritual understanding but when challenged ends up with rebukes
and name calling. This is like a prima donna stomping off stage when they are not shown
enough respect. It speaks more about pride and error than anything of value.
The funny thing with G7 is he claims he will stop engaging but he always makes his points,
when refuted goes off in a huff. This is what I would regard as a false teacher.
you are really saying. The point of forums like this is to put forward positions and to see
what is the response, or if there is a valid response.
I have been shocked by what some call as sensible responses, G7 is a prime example.
He claims to have some spiritual understanding but when challenged ends up with rebukes
and name calling. This is like a prima donna stomping off stage when they are not shown
enough respect. It speaks more about pride and error than anything of value.
The funny thing with G7 is he claims he will stop engaging but he always makes his points,
when refuted goes off in a huff. This is what I would regard as a false teacher.
When I look at people who believe in WOF and those who do not, I have never seen hatred or
malice.
What I do see is hurt and confusion. Good followers of Christ wondering why God did not answer
their calls, and others who are grateful either God healed them or the doctors did.
Another group are at peace that God has called them home, after a long fruitful life.
G7 appears to be the only one talking about insults, malice and hatred.
We all believe God heals, God loves and God is great. If you are healthy, amen, a gift of God,
if ill, see doctors, be prayed for, and the Lord in His will will restore you, either on earth or
in heaven. Has it ever been different to this?
malice.
What I do see is hurt and confusion. Good followers of Christ wondering why God did not answer
their calls, and others who are grateful either God healed them or the doctors did.
Another group are at peace that God has called them home, after a long fruitful life.
G7 appears to be the only one talking about insults, malice and hatred.
We all believe God heals, God loves and God is great. If you are healthy, amen, a gift of God,
if ill, see doctors, be prayed for, and the Lord in His will will restore you, either on earth or
in heaven. Has it ever been different to this?
Interesting video of a baby in a church, and the baby woke up.
One preacher made a very good point. Healing does not come because of the emotion or
type of praying etc. God answers because of prayer.
And Jesus is with us wherever we gather. The subtext of healing meetings is God is not there
in the same way at other meetings or with His followers. It would be more honest to say
believers have a meet God meeting, where His word will be preached and gifts of grace
will be exercised.
So you get the kind of emphasis that is being put on peoples faith here, healing is everything,
it proves authority and correctness and is not just a gimic to reassure people who are not sure
if God is with them or that He is listening.
One preacher made a very good point. Healing does not come because of the emotion or
type of praying etc. God answers because of prayer.
And Jesus is with us wherever we gather. The subtext of healing meetings is God is not there
in the same way at other meetings or with His followers. It would be more honest to say
believers have a meet God meeting, where His word will be preached and gifts of grace
will be exercised.
So you get the kind of emphasis that is being put on peoples faith here, healing is everything,
it proves authority and correctness and is not just a gimic to reassure people who are not sure
if God is with them or that He is listening.
L
seriously?
those verses do not mean do not ever disagree and they certainly do not mean do not judge the teaching
there is certainly no malice on my part to anyone...I don't see malice in here ...just you trying to say there is
saying malice 100 times won't make it true ...seems everyone who disagrees with you has malice of which you will play no part
you know I do not agree with Mr Jens very much, but I will say I agree with this:
I honestly do not know what on earth you are trying to prove here
those verses do not mean do not ever disagree and they certainly do not mean do not judge the teaching
there is certainly no malice on my part to anyone...I don't see malice in here ...just you trying to say there is
saying malice 100 times won't make it true ...seems everyone who disagrees with you has malice of which you will play no part
you know I do not agree with Mr Jens very much, but I will say I agree with this:
I honestly do not know what on earth you are trying to prove here
L
not even close
that is grasping at straws and not at all what was going on for months while yourself and several others went at it practically day and night
and like I said, many of us, myself included, took part in some of those threads...but you were so busy defending YOUR beliefs, that I don't think you noticed when myself and most others just stopped posting
maybe you miss the good ole days?
I certainly don't
My problem with G7 was his desire to copy and paste a long exergesis that covered
too much and in the middle often had total heresy, which no one but the faithful to
his cause would read. Rarely would his actual opinion be expressed.
It appears he loves playing the emotional game, of which disengaging is part of the show,
the prima donna has left the building and we are at such a loss, how can we cope without
him.
A quick question, what changed your mind? Angela finally looked at the doctrines behind
G7's movement, what made you suspect there was a problem?
too much and in the middle often had total heresy, which no one but the faithful to
his cause would read. Rarely would his actual opinion be expressed.
It appears he loves playing the emotional game, of which disengaging is part of the show,
the prima donna has left the building and we are at such a loss, how can we cope without
him.
A quick question, what changed your mind? Angela finally looked at the doctrines behind
G7's movement, what made you suspect there was a problem?
L
well, Peter, I firmly believe we are saved by grace only and I also believe posts were misunderstood and twisted...just like what is going on here..only now it appears I and others are the villain and we need to walk in the spirit
I think in large part the so called (h) grace is a fallacy and we have only grace...but we all don't want to get that going again and besides it is now against the TOS
what irritates me...which is not malice, but just irritation...is basically the same kind of rhetoric that went on months on end with no apparent respect for the objections and people saying they had enough
it's all about opinions now...but the Bible does not teach opinions!
WOF is not a biblical doctrine...just that simple
being told we are full of malice etc is beyond the pale
yeah you got it, here is the course list you should have clicked on...
http://www.rbtc.org/PDFs/Course_Descriptions.pdf
the prof you have to email i guess for a list of names, thats what admin said.
but for the classes, look ate the bible studies classes. and btw you don't need a Ph.D to teach the missions class of basic life class. the missions classes are taught by men and women who have been in that field or have the necessary skills for the job. and the classes on finance are taught by a man with a degree in accounting and hes the one who manages the church finances. they teach the biblical and practical approach to ministry.
but hey go ahead and avoid the context in my post, its sad because if you were actually right you would take my post and pick apart the scripture i used. but since your wrong and can't you attack my school, good job just like the Baptist you are...
"By the way, my Seminary was Baptist"
your words, part of a denomination that screams on street corners as people go by that God hates them and there going to hell. protesting funerals of soldiers.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/military-funeral-protests/
thats the kind of person you are, it shows in your post! and i guess you are probably OSAS so you think you can act however you feel! is that right, or am i taking things out of context on your denominational views? and i judging you on a few extreme instances?
http://www.rbtc.org/PDFs/Course_Descriptions.pdf
the prof you have to email i guess for a list of names, thats what admin said.
but for the classes, look ate the bible studies classes. and btw you don't need a Ph.D to teach the missions class of basic life class. the missions classes are taught by men and women who have been in that field or have the necessary skills for the job. and the classes on finance are taught by a man with a degree in accounting and hes the one who manages the church finances. they teach the biblical and practical approach to ministry.
but hey go ahead and avoid the context in my post, its sad because if you were actually right you would take my post and pick apart the scripture i used. but since your wrong and can't you attack my school, good job just like the Baptist you are...
"By the way, my Seminary was Baptist"
your words, part of a denomination that screams on street corners as people go by that God hates them and there going to hell. protesting funerals of soldiers.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/military-funeral-protests/
thats the kind of person you are, it shows in your post! and i guess you are probably OSAS so you think you can act however you feel! is that right, or am i taking things out of context on your denominational views? and i judging you on a few extreme instances?
Just a heads up angela? wanderer did say in one of his post that he is attending Wesleyan College in Oklahoma and it appears that the college accepts rehema credits. I found it here: Accreditation - Christian College - Bible School - Bible Institute RBTC stands for Rehma Bible Training College. It's hard for me to believe that a "Wesleyan" College would accept rehema credits. I have a dear friend who is a "Wesleayan" and he abhors wof teachings and boldly speaks out against it. In any event I think this boy is going to find out (the hard way) that wof teachings do not "jive" with "Orthordox" Biblical teachings. Keep up the good work. 
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Wow wanderer? What an absolutely mean spirited thing to say to sister angela. That she's just like the Westboro Baptist church of Topeka Kansas who protest military funerals among other ungodly things. You should apologize to her immediately for putting her in the same category as the evil so-called Baptist Church.
Is that the best you got? I love what poster peterjens said which definitely applies to you. "The above sentiment is an attempt to censor valid criticism and error." Like I said angela "handed" you your lunch and now your out for vengeance. Grow up and learn to deal with criticism like a man instead of a grade school boy. Oh yea, this is an oldie but a goody when you said, "I guess you are probably OSAS." How would you know one way or another wanderer? And I'm sure angela will sleep better at night knowing that your judging her on her so-called extreme views?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Is that the best you got? I love what poster peterjens said which definitely applies to you. "The above sentiment is an attempt to censor valid criticism and error." Like I said angela "handed" you your lunch and now your out for vengeance. Grow up and learn to deal with criticism like a man instead of a grade school boy. Oh yea, this is an oldie but a goody when you said, "I guess you are probably OSAS." How would you know one way or another wanderer? And I'm sure angela will sleep better at night knowing that your judging her on her so-called extreme views?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Wow wanderer? What an absolutely mean spirited thing to say to sister angela. That she's just like the Westboro Baptist church of Topeka Kansas who protest military funerals among other ungodly things. You should apologize to her immediately for putting her in the same category as the evil so-called Baptist Church.
Is that the best you got? I love what poster peterjens said which definitely applies to you. "The above sentiment is an attempt to censor valid criticism and error." Like I said angela "handed" you your lunch and now your out for vengeance. Grow up and learn to deal with criticism like a man instead of a grade school boy. Oh yea, this is an oldie but a goody when you said, "I guess you are probably OSAS." How would you know one way or another wanderer? And I'm sure angela will sleep better at night knowing that your judging her on her so-called extreme views?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Is that the best you got? I love what poster peterjens said which definitely applies to you. "The above sentiment is an attempt to censor valid criticism and error." Like I said angela "handed" you your lunch and now your out for vengeance. Grow up and learn to deal with criticism like a man instead of a grade school boy. Oh yea, this is an oldie but a goody when you said, "I guess you are probably OSAS." How would you know one way or another wanderer? And I'm sure angela will sleep better at night knowing that your judging her on her so-called extreme views?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
I'm sure Wanderer will sleep better at night knowing that your judging her on her so-called extreme views?
you stepped right into that Bluto...
Well wanderer, what other category is there that is not wof? You even claim to be wof so what category are you? And for you to post about angela just to get even with me is the height of despicable. You should be ashamed of yourself and apologize to angela.
And btw, the denomination I belong to is the catholic church where Jesus Christ is the head. Think about that?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
And btw, the denomination I belong to is the catholic church where Jesus Christ is the head. Think about that?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Well wanderer, what other category is there that is not wof? You even claim to be wof so what category are you? And for you to post about angela just to get even with me is the height of despicable. You should be ashamed of yourself and apologize to angela.
And btw, the denomination I belong to is the catholic church where Jesus Christ is the head. Think about that?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
And btw, the denomination I belong to is the catholic church where Jesus Christ is the head. Think about that?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
and i was actually trying to see her response to it but you took it first, any you both should apologize for doing the same thing. jumping to the conclusion that everyone in WoF believes the same way.
you are Catholic, do i agree with you on all you doctrinal beliefs no, are there extremes in that denomination yes. are they(non extreme views) true to you i believe they are.
Angela is Baptist(i think), do i agree with all of her doctrinal beliefs no, are there extremes in that denomination yes., are they(non extreme views) true to her i believe they are.
I am WoF, you disagree with an extremist view of my denominations doctrinal beliefs, therefor i and everyone in my denomination are wrong all together...
L
the only One I know of who has ever done the right amount of right in God's eyes, is His own Son
which is why we don't have to try and do it...or work up some kind of perfect faith or whatever
God answers from His mercy and His love...He does not swing into action because someone works themself up or uses a formula of words
God does not HAVE to do anything but keep His own word...and He does that BECAUSE He said He would
no matter which way we turn, or look for another way or think we somehow achieve a certain place...it is always about God's mercy and His will
anything else, relies on flesh and not God...for all the 'spiritual' talk here, what is missing is bowing before God and submitting to Him
boldness is confidence that we have what we ask for ACCORDING to His will...thankfulness is the heart attitude that He looks for
I could say plenty on that subject, but it seems the little I have said regarding the fact I do believe God heals, but do NOT believe WOF is biblical, has already been misconstrued to mean I have malice and no faith
ps...not aiming all this at you Charlie...I just started thinking out loud...
Now there you go wanderer, jumping headlong without carefully reading what I said. I said, "I belong to the catholic church where Jesus Christ is the head. Think about that? So did you think about it? No!
The word "catholic" in the Greek means universal. In other words I belong to the universal Christian church where Jesus Christ is the head, not the Pope as you think. See what happens when you "assume?" And you call yourself a "college" boy? Read the following:
Acts 9:31 (Greek Bible), "ai men oun ekklēsiai kath olēs tēs ioudaias kai
galilaias kai samareias eichon eirēnēn oikodomoumenai kai poreuomenai tō phobō
tou kuriou kai tē paraklēsei tou agiou pneumatos eplēthunonto" EKKLESIA
KATH'OLES.
The term "Catholic", derived from the Greek word καθολικός
(katholikos), which means "universal" or "general", was also used to describe
the Church in the early 2nd century. The term katholikos is equivalent to
καθόλου (katholou), a contraction of the phrase καθ' ὅλου (kath' holou) meaning
"according to the whole". Thus the full name Catholic Church roughly means
"universal" or "whole" church.
Personally I attend a Calvay Chapel Church which is non-denominational. And btw, you can't get more extremist since you follow hagin. Have you not read all of his so-called down home stories and how Jesus Christ personally appeared to him? And you still owe angela an apology.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
The word "catholic" in the Greek means universal. In other words I belong to the universal Christian church where Jesus Christ is the head, not the Pope as you think. See what happens when you "assume?" And you call yourself a "college" boy? Read the following:
Acts 9:31 (Greek Bible), "ai men oun ekklēsiai kath olēs tēs ioudaias kai
galilaias kai samareias eichon eirēnēn oikodomoumenai kai poreuomenai tō phobō
tou kuriou kai tē paraklēsei tou agiou pneumatos eplēthunonto" EKKLESIA
KATH'OLES.
The term "Catholic", derived from the Greek word καθολικός
(katholikos), which means "universal" or "general", was also used to describe
the Church in the early 2nd century. The term katholikos is equivalent to
καθόλου (katholou), a contraction of the phrase καθ' ὅλου (kath' holou) meaning
"according to the whole". Thus the full name Catholic Church roughly means
"universal" or "whole" church.
Personally I attend a Calvay Chapel Church which is non-denominational. And btw, you can't get more extremist since you follow hagin. Have you not read all of his so-called down home stories and how Jesus Christ personally appeared to him? And you still owe angela an apology.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto