OK, Salvation is guaranteed if we repent and ask Jesus to be our Savior and walk in that faith. Physical healing is NOT guaranteed in the same way salvation is guaranteed. It is possible for a Christian to be physically healed, and faith does play a role in it, however it is not guaranteed as salvation is guaranteed. Because physical healing is not guaranteed for a Christian, therefore it is not a good idea to judge another person on whether or not they are healed.
Word of Faith - a Look at what the Bible says!
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I hesitate in what I am about to write, but let God deal with it as He may
I have gifts that deal with the prophetic
very direct and explicit. including what some call visions.
I could sit here all day and say certain things about people; what I know from what no one told me. but of course I do not do that. this is a forum, not a church. but God has certainly used me in 'healing' people who have been wounded by what has passed for the Holy Spirit and is not
the devil comes as an angel of light and fools many. once you open that door, it seems you are sensitive. God allowed certain things in my life and my entire life went off the rails. I was ignorant of the devil's schemes and how much harm he can actually do. No one was ever more sincere than I was when I stood up in church when the call went out for who wanted to dedicate their life to service to God. I had just turned 20.
that night, I had a vision. a literal bonified eyes wide open apparation and I said yes to that 'vision. to make a very long and very painful story short, it was demonic and only the mercy of God got me out of it but it took 7 years of my life
I really don't care what anyone thinks and I can warn people until Jesus comes back. I have a very sensitive ear when it comes to what is fake and I am not quick to make judgement on it. But as I said, I do have prophetic gifts and I have even asked God to tune them back because I am uncomfortable with it. I have never stated any of this on this or any other forum but people who know me personally will seek me out for help and prayer. I never tell people what to do. I only pray with them.
I could post event after even that has happened through things God has shown me. I am nothing and no one. Just someone who went through absolute hell and back and turned their back on everything because of fake Christians who were deep into the WOF mess and prophetic garbage. my background is not charismatic or pentecostal and I had no clue who to trust or what the hee hah was going on
I am saddened by what I see here and I seldom speak up because I know it is about useless to do so. put me on ignore and put everyone else on ignore
go for it
I am sorry for the anger and hostility expressed by some. I am sorry for the name calling and the nastiness
none of it is God
God says to remember the Israelite's in the desert and how He led them. They would not listen land He proved them for 40 years
Some here are being proven as I write this and they do not even know.
really not much else I can say except I wish people would listen
I have gifts that deal with the prophetic
very direct and explicit. including what some call visions.
I could sit here all day and say certain things about people; what I know from what no one told me. but of course I do not do that. this is a forum, not a church. but God has certainly used me in 'healing' people who have been wounded by what has passed for the Holy Spirit and is not
the devil comes as an angel of light and fools many. once you open that door, it seems you are sensitive. God allowed certain things in my life and my entire life went off the rails. I was ignorant of the devil's schemes and how much harm he can actually do. No one was ever more sincere than I was when I stood up in church when the call went out for who wanted to dedicate their life to service to God. I had just turned 20.
that night, I had a vision. a literal bonified eyes wide open apparation and I said yes to that 'vision. to make a very long and very painful story short, it was demonic and only the mercy of God got me out of it but it took 7 years of my life
I really don't care what anyone thinks and I can warn people until Jesus comes back. I have a very sensitive ear when it comes to what is fake and I am not quick to make judgement on it. But as I said, I do have prophetic gifts and I have even asked God to tune them back because I am uncomfortable with it. I have never stated any of this on this or any other forum but people who know me personally will seek me out for help and prayer. I never tell people what to do. I only pray with them.
I could post event after even that has happened through things God has shown me. I am nothing and no one. Just someone who went through absolute hell and back and turned their back on everything because of fake Christians who were deep into the WOF mess and prophetic garbage. my background is not charismatic or pentecostal and I had no clue who to trust or what the hee hah was going on
I am saddened by what I see here and I seldom speak up because I know it is about useless to do so. put me on ignore and put everyone else on ignore
go for it
I am sorry for the anger and hostility expressed by some. I am sorry for the name calling and the nastiness
none of it is God
God says to remember the Israelite's in the desert and how He led them. They would not listen land He proved them for 40 years
Some here are being proven as I write this and they do not even know.
really not much else I can say except I wish people would listen
Well.....unfortunately they have been taught a certain way and if anyone has a different belief in an area - then they are to be attacked.
Some people have legitimately had some bad experiences with other Christians and so they are bitter and hurt. That doesn't negate the truth that could be in what others are saying.
This crying about "You are saying I am in unbelief" is not from God. Jesus told many people they did not have things happen because of their unbelief. If Jesus Himself was here - these same people might think differently about how they view unbelief.
I can have unbelief that God will not take care of my needs coming up nest year. I then can listen to a teaching that says to have faith in God - He will supply all your need according to His riches in Christ. I am not going to "attack" the one that says that and accuse them of saying I don't have faith in that area. I should be thankful for the encouragement to actually trust in God.
Personally I would rather die with an illness like cancer then to say that God will not heal me nor does he want to heal me. It is just so against what the scriptures say.
Here is a great video about - How it "might seem" that God doesn't want to heal people but when Jesus Himself shows up - people are healed. Jesus always reveals the heart and nature of the Father and does His will.
[video=youtube;QnYNrEruwas]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnYNrEruwas[/video]
Some people have legitimately had some bad experiences with other Christians and so they are bitter and hurt. That doesn't negate the truth that could be in what others are saying.
This crying about "You are saying I am in unbelief" is not from God. Jesus told many people they did not have things happen because of their unbelief. If Jesus Himself was here - these same people might think differently about how they view unbelief.
I can have unbelief that God will not take care of my needs coming up nest year. I then can listen to a teaching that says to have faith in God - He will supply all your need according to His riches in Christ. I am not going to "attack" the one that says that and accuse them of saying I don't have faith in that area. I should be thankful for the encouragement to actually trust in God.
Personally I would rather die with an illness like cancer then to say that God will not heal me nor does he want to heal me. It is just so against what the scriptures say.
Here is a great video about - How it "might seem" that God doesn't want to heal people but when Jesus Himself shows up - people are healed. Jesus always reveals the heart and nature of the Father and does His will.
[video=youtube;QnYNrEruwas]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnYNrEruwas[/video]
I pray that the Lord leads you in the calling that He has for you and that you continue to develop in this. I believe in visions and things of the Spirit like that.
Personally I believe every denomination in the body of Christ has some sort of error in it but the Lord is bringing clarity and truth to all of us with a heart that is open for it.
I am sorry for any abuse any Christian has done to you or your family. The Lord will be "caught in the act of being Himself" and be faithful to all of us...All is well...
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I pray that the Lord leads you in the calling that He has for you and that you continue to develop in this. I believe in visions and things of the Spirit like that.
Personally I believe every denomination in the body of Christ has some sort of error in it but the Lord is bringing clarity and truth to all of us with a heart that is open for it.
I am sorry for any abuse any Christian has done to you or your family. The Lord will be "caught in the act of being Himself" and be faithful to all of us...All is well...
Personally I believe every denomination in the body of Christ has some sort of error in it but the Lord is bringing clarity and truth to all of us with a heart that is open for it.
I am sorry for any abuse any Christian has done to you or your family. The Lord will be "caught in the act of being Himself" and be faithful to all of us...All is well...
I believe you are sincere
and sincerely wrong in some of what you state
however, and this is true, I do not want to hurt you or anyone else
so I guess all is well and God is faithful but it's gonna hurt more. sorry about that
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bitterness is not the impetus behind what each person posts
the anger and nastiness directed at each side is not needed
truth. now there's a word
let God be proved true and every man (meaning mankind) a liar
God knows
I'm sorry for all of it. I hurt for others and that comes out of my own pain.
I do wish for each person here they may know the truth but sadly, there is blockage on both sides
God is a mystery and not one single one of us has Him figured out, but we can put our faith IN Him
thing is, many are putting their faith in things that are not of Him but they think they are
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let me step out of what I said regarding insulting and name calling to take a moment to address this post of yours
you are a scoffer. plain and simple and apparently simple minded enough that you are unteachable because of your arrogance
I have been healed both physically and emotionally
I have seen others healed by God, even animals
thankfully, a person like you has no say in whether or not God heals
your comments are on the left side of WOF even for WOF
you do more harm to your own cause than most here
I am no fan of the WOF movement and know it and their false teachings very well, because we were ensnared in it for a few years until God helped us get out it.
With that said, are you saying the woman with the issue of Blood did not deserve to have her faith rewarded? I will remind you that she went looking for the savior to heal her physically and he did not going looking for her or single her out to be healed.
Angela,
Everything you have stated is true. We lived it for almost 2 years and witnessed what you described and worse.
Just a few nights ago I was channel surf and on the Kenneth Copeland BVOV channel some WOF teacher said that when Jesus sweated great drops of blood at the rock of agony and it hit the ground it removed the curse from the ground. He further stated that because of this he has never had dead grass, tress, bushes, or thorns or thistles in his yard.
Everything you have stated is true. We lived it for almost 2 years and witnessed what you described and worse.
Just a few nights ago I was channel surf and on the Kenneth Copeland BVOV channel some WOF teacher said that when Jesus sweated great drops of blood at the rock of agony and it hit the ground it removed the curse from the ground. He further stated that because of this he has never had dead grass, tress, bushes, or thorns or thistles in his yard.
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When people lie about what God says and promises, that is when they cross a line and are no longer leading people towards God but towards a false idol of their own creation.
When this idol doesn't grant their prayers, people get mad and turn completely from God and any light towards the darkness.
That is the true danger of the false light provided by people who teach a false health and wealth doctrine NOT found in the BIBLE.
Only through prayer and encouraging people to read the Bible themselves to see past the lies, will they truly be set free of the lies and spiritual strongholds that keep them from learning God's true wisdom, purpose and promise.
God doesn't promise to bless you financially when you "sow seed money"
He says He has ALREADY GIVEN you all you need to live a godly life.
God teaches contentment in whatever state you are in finanacially and the Bible tells us we need to thank God for His providence....not demand more like spoiled kids.
God promised that we would suffer in this world because this is NOT OUR HOME. The early church was persecuted, imprisoned, fed to lions, killed many other ways.
Physical health is not promised in this life. It is hoped for when we get resurrected bodies. Until then these bodies will grow old and die.
Anyway I wanted just add my voice to yours and Angela and others who tell people they need to be wary of the word of Faith doctrines that teach against scripture and build a false idol of what God really promises to His people.
I won't stick around, because I am sure to be attacked by others.
When this idol doesn't grant their prayers, people get mad and turn completely from God and any light towards the darkness.
That is the true danger of the false light provided by people who teach a false health and wealth doctrine NOT found in the BIBLE.
Only through prayer and encouraging people to read the Bible themselves to see past the lies, will they truly be set free of the lies and spiritual strongholds that keep them from learning God's true wisdom, purpose and promise.
God doesn't promise to bless you financially when you "sow seed money"
He says He has ALREADY GIVEN you all you need to live a godly life.
God teaches contentment in whatever state you are in finanacially and the Bible tells us we need to thank God for His providence....not demand more like spoiled kids.
God promised that we would suffer in this world because this is NOT OUR HOME. The early church was persecuted, imprisoned, fed to lions, killed many other ways.
Physical health is not promised in this life. It is hoped for when we get resurrected bodies. Until then these bodies will grow old and die.
Anyway I wanted just add my voice to yours and Angela and others who tell people they need to be wary of the word of Faith doctrines that teach against scripture and build a false idol of what God really promises to His people.
I won't stick around, because I am sure to be attacked by others.
Angela,
Everything you have stated is true. We lived it for almost 2 years and witnessed what you described and worse.
Just a few nights ago I was channel surf and on the Kenneth Copeland BVOV channel some WOF teacher said that when Jesus sweated great drops of blood at the rock of agony and it hit the ground it removed the curse from the ground. He further stated that because of this he has never had dead grass, tress, bushes, or thorns or thistles in his yard.
Everything you have stated is true. We lived it for almost 2 years and witnessed what you described and worse.
Just a few nights ago I was channel surf and on the Kenneth Copeland BVOV channel some WOF teacher said that when Jesus sweated great drops of blood at the rock of agony and it hit the ground it removed the curse from the ground. He further stated that because of this he has never had dead grass, tress, bushes, or thorns or thistles in his yard.
There will be a time in your life that you or someone close to you like spouse, child or family member become the victim to a disease process and we will see then if you talk such foolishness and bravado.
In our 26 months in WOF we watched the very same people making the very same arrogant, foolish statements like you, come under the very same conditions of those they placed into condemnation by shaming them for their forgiveness, etc.
We watched a pastors wife tell another women her unforgiveness & bitterness was causing her severe case of RA. The woman would not be placed under this spiritually mature spiritual witchcraft and condemnation and left the church. The Pastor, elders and his wife were like ha, cannot handle the truth at all let her and her family go. It is obvious she has bitterness and forgiveness in her life. We keep in contact with the woman because we ministered to her Daughter a lot.
6 months later to the day the woman got up one morning and was radically made whole. She had never asked for forgiveness and never walked in bitterness and was one of the most spiritually mature people we know today.
That very same day that Pastors wife woke up and was suffering from the same thing, but it was acute. They hid her condition for weeks until she died. She was gone in weeks not months or years. The autopsy concluded that the RA that invaded her body was a strain that was so rare they had not see it in years.
You reap what you sow and this Pastors wife did.
I know many stories like this in the movement. Spare us your armchair wind and clouds analysis.
In our 26 months in WOF we watched the very same people making the very same arrogant, foolish statements like you, come under the very same conditions of those they placed into condemnation by shaming them for their forgiveness, etc.
We watched a pastors wife tell another women her unforgiveness & bitterness was causing her severe case of RA. The woman would not be placed under this spiritually mature spiritual witchcraft and condemnation and left the church. The Pastor, elders and his wife were like ha, cannot handle the truth at all let her and her family go. It is obvious she has bitterness and forgiveness in her life. We keep in contact with the woman because we ministered to her Daughter a lot.
6 months later to the day the woman got up one morning and was radically made whole. She had never asked for forgiveness and never walked in bitterness and was one of the most spiritually mature people we know today.
That very same day that Pastors wife woke up and was suffering from the same thing, but it was acute. They hid her condition for weeks until she died. She was gone in weeks not months or years. The autopsy concluded that the RA that invaded her body was a strain that was so rare they had not see it in years.
You reap what you sow and this Pastors wife did.
I know many stories like this in the movement. Spare us your armchair wind and clouds analysis.
There are wrong thoughts about the Word in every camp. And wrong interactions with people in all the camps.
I do agree with Rock...no matter what is done to us...only we are responsible for our reaction.
No experience we might have should ever affect our faith in Gods Word.
He does heal, He wants to heal, and the ball is in our court to pursue Him. Him!
Grudges will kill us in our soul. Not spirit, but our soul which is what needs saved. That part of us that is our own personality.
Let the Word speak...and our thoughts fall to the ground if not in line with Him.
I do agree with Rock...no matter what is done to us...only we are responsible for our reaction.
No experience we might have should ever affect our faith in Gods Word.
He does heal, He wants to heal, and the ball is in our court to pursue Him. Him!
Grudges will kill us in our soul. Not spirit, but our soul which is what needs saved. That part of us that is our own personality.
Let the Word speak...and our thoughts fall to the ground if not in line with Him.