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I will say this one thing.
I do not believe that God uses sickness to test our faith. We have weaknesses within our makeup that we inherit through our blood line. Sometimes they affect us, other times not, then too may affect further down the line to our own children and grandchildren. Death is what we received from Adam. So we are affected too.
This was not Gods will for man, yet He knew it would happen. Provision for the fall was crucified from the foundation of the world. Being Jesus. And He healed. He delivered. He brought the dead back to life on occasion. Why would it ever be Hiscwill to afflict?
Accidents will happen. People get sick. I see medicines as helps, but they have side effects, and not all stop the problem. Hospitals and doctors are IMO, from the Lord.
There are miracles happening now and are becoming more and more frequent here in the USA. Unusual miracles too.
So why not exercise faith in the One who never changes?
Now a nap. Lol
I do not believe that God uses sickness to test our faith. We have weaknesses within our makeup that we inherit through our blood line. Sometimes they affect us, other times not, then too may affect further down the line to our own children and grandchildren. Death is what we received from Adam. So we are affected too.
This was not Gods will for man, yet He knew it would happen. Provision for the fall was crucified from the foundation of the world. Being Jesus. And He healed. He delivered. He brought the dead back to life on occasion. Why would it ever be Hiscwill to afflict?
Accidents will happen. People get sick. I see medicines as helps, but they have side effects, and not all stop the problem. Hospitals and doctors are IMO, from the Lord.
There are miracles happening now and are becoming more and more frequent here in the USA. Unusual miracles too.
So why not exercise faith in the One who never changes?
Now a nap. Lol
God uses sickness sometimes to teach us:
For if you eat the bread or drink the cup without honoring the body of Christ, you are eating and drinking God’s judgment upon yourself. That is why many of you are weak and sick and some have even died. But if we would examine ourselves, we would not be judged by God in this way. Yet when we are judged by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be condemned along with the world.
1 Corinthians 11:29*-32 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/1co.11.29-32.NLT
For if you eat the bread or drink the cup without honoring the body of Christ, you are eating and drinking God’s judgment upon yourself. That is why many of you are weak and sick and some have even died. But if we would examine ourselves, we would not be judged by God in this way. Yet when we are judged by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be condemned along with the world.
1 Corinthians 11:29*-32 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/1co.11.29-32.NLT
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
I'm not the one who first said it, Jesus is, and I believe He knew what He was talking about.
I'm going to give you a few witnesses, and if you can't accept it as it is written, then yes, I would question who you are of, because Jesus said, he that is of God hears God's word.
I will elaborate and/or magnify with some interpretation to explain key words that clearly shows WOF is not a lie of the devil, but a truth of God in the three sets of scriptures below.
2Co 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;
This not only is HOW faith works, it IS WOF, and it is the way it works also.
What the above verse doesn't explain is the kind of believing and where it must come from or out of. Many confuse God's definition of believing with theirs, which is, 'I believe God can, but...', they don't know if God will or not.
Rom 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
Rom 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word [of faith] is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith [WOF], which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be [OR HAVE] saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto [RATHER THE WORD OF GOD CAUSES WHAT YOU CONFESS TO MANIFEST ITSELF IN THE NATURAL] salvation.
I hope you can, at the very least, the words, "word of faith" written in verse 8. Verses 9 and 10 explains how this word of faith that is in you heart and mouth.
In your mouth means to speak it, as verses 9 and 10 state.
In your heart means to believe what you heard without any doubt, so much so, that you would act on it by saying or confessing what you believe. If it is in Jesus being your lord and savior, then that word which came from your heart, out your mouth, will manifest itself. But if it is for a sickness or disease because of what you felt or what the doctor's tests revealed, then it too will manifest or be enforced.
Words of faith can be for both good and bad, blessings and cursings, depending on what you believe in your heart, accept, and confess or act on. As it is written, "Death and life [or blessing and cursing] are in the power of your tongue."
WOF IS not about wealth and prosperity, but about what is in your heart that comes out your mouth.
Mar 11:21 And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.
Mar 11:22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. [or THE GOD KIND OF FAITH]
Mar 11:23 For verily (this is a true or truthful statement) I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
In the above two verses Jesus is explaining HOW He caused the fig to to wither away. He used what Paul called, words of faith. And so in verse 23 Jesus explains what is required for these words of faith to work for others as it did for Him.
He said WHOSOEVER, so this is NOT just to the children of God, believes in their heart without doubting shall have or cause to manifest, what they said verbally with their mouth. Just like it is written in Luke 6.
Luk 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth [or causes to manifest] that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth [or causes to manifest] that which is evil: for [or because] [out] of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
There's that WOF again that comes from the heart and out of the mouth that causes what is said to manifest or to be brought forth, just like Jesus' words did with the fig tree. He said, we can do the same thing.
Are you able to see this clearly written, simple truth in the scriptures I provided?
If not, then there is something VERY wrong, because I don't know how to make it any plainer or clearer that you might see this truth other than to continue to give you even more scripture verses, because the bible is full of them.
What I have shown in this post is what word of faith is in it's most basic form, and that is why without it, there is no gospel of Jesus Christ. Without it, you more than likely, are not save, because in order for the law of faith to work, what you believe in your heart MUST be accompanied with either a physical act or speaking/uttering the same words you believe in your heart.
I'm not the one who first said it, Jesus is, and I believe He knew what He was talking about.
I'm going to give you a few witnesses, and if you can't accept it as it is written, then yes, I would question who you are of, because Jesus said, he that is of God hears God's word.
I will elaborate and/or magnify with some interpretation to explain key words that clearly shows WOF is not a lie of the devil, but a truth of God in the three sets of scriptures below.
2Co 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;
This not only is HOW faith works, it IS WOF, and it is the way it works also.
What the above verse doesn't explain is the kind of believing and where it must come from or out of. Many confuse God's definition of believing with theirs, which is, 'I believe God can, but...', they don't know if God will or not.
Rom 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
Rom 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word [of faith] is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith [WOF], which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be [OR HAVE] saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto [RATHER THE WORD OF GOD CAUSES WHAT YOU CONFESS TO MANIFEST ITSELF IN THE NATURAL] salvation.
I hope you can, at the very least, the words, "word of faith" written in verse 8. Verses 9 and 10 explains how this word of faith that is in you heart and mouth.
In your mouth means to speak it, as verses 9 and 10 state.
In your heart means to believe what you heard without any doubt, so much so, that you would act on it by saying or confessing what you believe. If it is in Jesus being your lord and savior, then that word which came from your heart, out your mouth, will manifest itself. But if it is for a sickness or disease because of what you felt or what the doctor's tests revealed, then it too will manifest or be enforced.
Words of faith can be for both good and bad, blessings and cursings, depending on what you believe in your heart, accept, and confess or act on. As it is written, "Death and life [or blessing and cursing] are in the power of your tongue."
WOF IS not about wealth and prosperity, but about what is in your heart that comes out your mouth.
Mar 11:21 And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.
Mar 11:22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. [or THE GOD KIND OF FAITH]
Mar 11:23 For verily (this is a true or truthful statement) I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
In the above two verses Jesus is explaining HOW He caused the fig to to wither away. He used what Paul called, words of faith. And so in verse 23 Jesus explains what is required for these words of faith to work for others as it did for Him.
He said WHOSOEVER, so this is NOT just to the children of God, believes in their heart without doubting shall have or cause to manifest, what they said verbally with their mouth. Just like it is written in Luke 6.
Luk 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth [or causes to manifest] that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth [or causes to manifest] that which is evil: for [or because] [out] of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
There's that WOF again that comes from the heart and out of the mouth that causes what is said to manifest or to be brought forth, just like Jesus' words did with the fig tree. He said, we can do the same thing.
Are you able to see this clearly written, simple truth in the scriptures I provided?
If not, then there is something VERY wrong, because I don't know how to make it any plainer or clearer that you might see this truth other than to continue to give you even more scripture verses, because the bible is full of them.
What I have shown in this post is what word of faith is in it's most basic form, and that is why without it, there is no gospel of Jesus Christ. Without it, you more than likely, are not save, because in order for the law of faith to work, what you believe in your heart MUST be accompanied with either a physical act or speaking/uttering the same words you believe in your heart.
Why not, the word or utterance of God was made flesh.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
G3056
λόγος
logos
Thayer Definition:
1) of speech
1a) a word, uttered by a living voice, embodies a conception or idea
1b) what someone has said
1b1) a word
1b2) the sayings of God
1b3) decree, mandate or order
1b4) of the moral precepts given by God
1b5) Old Testament prophecy given by the prophets
1b6) what is declared, a thought, declaration, aphorism, a weighty saying, a dictum, a maxim
3) In John, denotes the essential Word of God, Jesus Christ, the personal wisdom and power in union with God, his minister in creation and government of the universe, the cause of all the world’s life both physical and ethical, which for the procurement of man’s salvation put on human nature in the person of Jesus the Messiah, the second person in the Godhead, and shone forth conspicuously from His words and deeds.
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G3004
Citing in TDNT: 4:69, 505
Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
As the Spirit is in Jesus, so is He.
He is the uttered word of God.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
G3056
λόγος
logos
Thayer Definition:
1) of speech
1a) a word, uttered by a living voice, embodies a conception or idea
1b) what someone has said
1b1) a word
1b2) the sayings of God
1b3) decree, mandate or order
1b4) of the moral precepts given by God
1b5) Old Testament prophecy given by the prophets
1b6) what is declared, a thought, declaration, aphorism, a weighty saying, a dictum, a maxim
3) In John, denotes the essential Word of God, Jesus Christ, the personal wisdom and power in union with God, his minister in creation and government of the universe, the cause of all the world’s life both physical and ethical, which for the procurement of man’s salvation put on human nature in the person of Jesus the Messiah, the second person in the Godhead, and shone forth conspicuously from His words and deeds.
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G3004
Citing in TDNT: 4:69, 505
Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
As the Spirit is in Jesus, so is He.
He is the uttered word of God.
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
I'm not the one who first said it, Jesus is, and I believe He knew what He was talking about.
I'm going to give you a few witnesses, and if you can't accept it as it is written, then yes, I would question who you are of, because Jesus said, he that is of God hears God's word.
I will elaborate and/or magnify with some interpretation to explain key words that clearly shows WOF is not a lie of the devil, but a truth of God in the three sets of scriptures below.
2Co 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;
This not only is HOW faith works, it IS WOF, and it is the way it works also.
What the above verse doesn't explain is the kind of believing and where it must come from or out of. Many confuse God's definition of believing with theirs, which is, 'I believe God can, but...', they don't know if God will or not.
Rom 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
Rom 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word [of faith] is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith [WOF], which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be [OR HAVE] saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto [RATHER THE WORD OF GOD CAUSES WHAT YOU CONFESS TO MANIFEST ITSELF IN THE NATURAL] salvation.
I hope you can, at the very least, the words, "word of faith" written in verse 8. Verses 9 and 10 explains how this word of faith that is in you heart and mouth.
In your mouth means to speak it, as verses 9 and 10 state.
In your heart means to believe what you heard without any doubt, so much so, that you would act on it by saying or confessing what you believe. If it is in Jesus being your lord and savior, then that word which came from your heart, out your mouth, will manifest itself. But if it is for a sickness or disease because of what you felt or what the doctor's tests revealed, then it too will manifest or be enforced.
Words of faith can be for both good and bad, blessings and cursings, depending on what you believe in your heart, accept, and confess or act on. As it is written, "Death and life [or blessing and cursing] are in the power of your tongue."
WOF IS not about wealth and prosperity, but about what is in your heart that comes out your mouth.
Mar 11:21 And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.
Mar 11:22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. [or THE GOD KIND OF FAITH]
Mar 11:23 For verily (this is a true or truthful statement) I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
In the above two verses Jesus is explaining HOW He caused the fig to to wither away. He used what Paul called, words of faith. And so in verse 23 Jesus explains what is required for these words of faith to work for others as it did for Him.
He said WHOSOEVER, so this is NOT just to the children of God, believes in their heart without doubting shall have or cause to manifest, what they said verbally with their mouth. Just like it is written in Luke 6.
Luk 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth [or causes to manifest] that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth [or causes to manifest] that which is evil: for [or because] [out] of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
There's that WOF again that comes from the heart and out of the mouth that causes what is said to manifest or to be brought forth, just like Jesus' words did with the fig tree. He said, we can do the same thing.
Are you able to see this clearly written, simple truth in the scriptures I provided?
If not, then there is something VERY wrong, because I don't know how to make it any plainer or clearer that you might see this truth other than to continue to give you even more scripture verses, because the bible is full of them.
What I have shown in this post is what word of faith is in it's most basic form, and that is why without it, there is no gospel of Jesus Christ. Without it, you more than likely, are not save, because in order for the law of faith to work, what you believe in your heart MUST be accompanied with either a physical act or speaking/uttering the same words you believe in your heart.
I'm not the one who first said it, Jesus is, and I believe He knew what He was talking about.
I'm going to give you a few witnesses, and if you can't accept it as it is written, then yes, I would question who you are of, because Jesus said, he that is of God hears God's word.
I will elaborate and/or magnify with some interpretation to explain key words that clearly shows WOF is not a lie of the devil, but a truth of God in the three sets of scriptures below.
2Co 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;
This not only is HOW faith works, it IS WOF, and it is the way it works also.
What the above verse doesn't explain is the kind of believing and where it must come from or out of. Many confuse God's definition of believing with theirs, which is, 'I believe God can, but...', they don't know if God will or not.
Rom 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
Rom 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word [of faith] is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith [WOF], which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be [OR HAVE] saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto [RATHER THE WORD OF GOD CAUSES WHAT YOU CONFESS TO MANIFEST ITSELF IN THE NATURAL] salvation.
I hope you can, at the very least, the words, "word of faith" written in verse 8. Verses 9 and 10 explains how this word of faith that is in you heart and mouth.
In your mouth means to speak it, as verses 9 and 10 state.
In your heart means to believe what you heard without any doubt, so much so, that you would act on it by saying or confessing what you believe. If it is in Jesus being your lord and savior, then that word which came from your heart, out your mouth, will manifest itself. But if it is for a sickness or disease because of what you felt or what the doctor's tests revealed, then it too will manifest or be enforced.
Words of faith can be for both good and bad, blessings and cursings, depending on what you believe in your heart, accept, and confess or act on. As it is written, "Death and life [or blessing and cursing] are in the power of your tongue."
WOF IS not about wealth and prosperity, but about what is in your heart that comes out your mouth.
Mar 11:21 And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.
Mar 11:22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God. [or THE GOD KIND OF FAITH]
Mar 11:23 For verily (this is a true or truthful statement) I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
In the above two verses Jesus is explaining HOW He caused the fig to to wither away. He used what Paul called, words of faith. And so in verse 23 Jesus explains what is required for these words of faith to work for others as it did for Him.
He said WHOSOEVER, so this is NOT just to the children of God, believes in their heart without doubting shall have or cause to manifest, what they said verbally with their mouth. Just like it is written in Luke 6.
Luk 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth [or causes to manifest] that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth [or causes to manifest] that which is evil: for [or because] [out] of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
There's that WOF again that comes from the heart and out of the mouth that causes what is said to manifest or to be brought forth, just like Jesus' words did with the fig tree. He said, we can do the same thing.
Are you able to see this clearly written, simple truth in the scriptures I provided?
If not, then there is something VERY wrong, because I don't know how to make it any plainer or clearer that you might see this truth other than to continue to give you even more scripture verses, because the bible is full of them.
What I have shown in this post is what word of faith is in it's most basic form, and that is why without it, there is no gospel of Jesus Christ. Without it, you more than likely, are not save, because in order for the law of faith to work, what you believe in your heart MUST be accompanied with either a physical act or speaking/uttering the same words you believe in your heart.
First off, if you are not in Christ, then there is condemnation to you, and second, I never implied that if you don't have the faith that I do, that you are not saved. What I said is if you can't see the simple truth of what is written, then I question who you are of, which translates that I questioning your salvation. It is in either your ABILITY to SEE the truth of the word of faith, or your INABILITY to SEE it, NOT HOW MUCH faith one has.
I say ability, because Jesus said you shall know them by their fruit, and that those who are of the devil CANNOT HEAR God's word, which means they will not be able to see it either, but those who ARE OF God, will be able to both hear and see this truth. And I say that because, as the spirit is in us, so are we, for it is written, As Jesus is, so are we in this world.
God said His word can be used for correcting and/or reproving other, and so that is what I have been doing with the word of God.
I don't know where you got that "all about me" thing from, but I never said or implied that either. Even as my righteousness is not my own, neither is the faith I have. I know very well WHOSE FAITH IS IN ME. But at the same time, God tells us to exercise this faith He has given us, that we might do bigger and better things, not just for ourselves, but for others. Those who have little faith, center on themselves anyway, but those who have mature, start helping other.
God has given faith to EVERY man, a measure of faith. Yes, it is indeed a gift from God, but everyone has been given a measure of it. The question is, what are you going to do with it? Are you going to be like the lazy slothful servant who did nothing but hid his master's talent in the ground? Or are you going to be like the good and faithful servants who worked with what God gave them, that they might have more at His coming or when you meet Him?
The branches in Christ that bear no fruit, God takes away. The trees that bear no fruit, God commands them to be cut down. So what do you think I'm going to do with the talent God gave me. I'm going to work with what I have, that I might gain more for Jesus' glory, NOT mine. Getting someone healed is glory and a testament to God, not myself, because I'm not the one doing the work. Jesus is.
Why not deny what you are suffering?
Do you see denying what you are suffering, as believing or confessing a lie?
If you do, then that is one reason, among many, why you cannot be healed.
One reason why I do get healed, but not 100% of the time yet, is BECAUSE I deny or refuse to accept what I have been suffering from.
Have you not read what the scriptures say?
Luk 8:17 For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.
Luk 8:18 Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have.
How can you have something you don't have and not have something you do?
And what shall be given or taken away?
Again, here is another law of faith.
Before you get something you must first have it, and before you can have something taken away, you must first NOT have it.
I would like to focus on the latter half of that verse because I use it to get rid of sicknesses and diseases. And yes, it is a process that for most, takes time, including myself.
I could give some personal testimonies but I would prefer to explain this law.
I would like to first point out that whatever IT is that we don't have, is not written. I would suggest that it was written that way because it is "whatsoever" you choose not to have, which would most likely be something YOU don't like.
I personally don't like sicknesses or diseases. I don't do very well with either.
Another thing I would like to point out is, just because you see or feel something in your body, doesn't mean that it is or that it is there. But even if it was, according to this law, when we reject whatsoever "IT" is, IT has to be removed, eradicated, or taken away.
So yes, deny the cursed thing's right to be in your body, without any doubt, and it will go. It has to. It is not of God, but of the devil, and if we resist the lies of the devil, and both sicknesses and diseases are lies of the devil, the devil, along with the lie has to leave or be taken away.
First, you took what I said out of context, which I wrote about above, and second, I would like you to show me what I took bits and pieces out of context to make what Paul calls, "the word of faith", so that it overrides everything else in the bible.
I find that it AGREES WITH everything in the bible, not the reverse.
Sorry to hear that, but do you mean like what you accused me of doing, and what you are doing to me now?
I understand you see me as trying to propagate a lie of the devil, but because of the pain you suffered at the hands of other ignorant WOFers, you won't event look at what the scriptures say that I have shown repeatedly.
I am glad to hear that you turned to Jesus to be succored.
You are not the first one to try to lay a curse of sickness unto death on me, and I doubt you'll be the last, but to let you know, I already wrote of a lung disease that came on me, that I have been fighting.
Yes indeed, are you surprised?
I don't know what it was but I certainly rejected it and commanded it to go, and thanked Jesus for removing it.
I don't know what it was, because I never went to the doctors to have it checked out, but I will tell you, I though I was going to die at first.
Yup, lost faith in God for a little bit, but then got it back.
But to answer some question you might have-
Do I still have symptoms of the disease?
Some days yes, and some days no. It depends on how hard I go at it.
Do I still have the disease?
Absolutely NOT!!!
How can I say that?
Well first off, because I don't have it, just like I told you, and according to the word of God, whatsoever I don't have, will eventually be taken from me.
And like all the other things I got healed of and from, the symptoms WILL eventually leave.
It may take some time like some of the other things did, but I KNOW it will go, because I ask, I also know what the will of God is concerning sicknesses and diseases, I also know what faith is and how it works, and because I don't have it.
I hope I covered all the condemning questions you might have.
But to answer another one.
I WILL NOT DIE NOR BE OVERCOME by any sickness or disease, because again, Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil, and if that's what He came to do, then that is what is done to all the works of the devil in me, even as it is written, by whose stripes I WAS healed, it is already done, I just have to, accept Jesus' work on the cross of/for baring and taking the cures of the law of sin and death in His own body on the cross for me, and reject the devil's.
But if I do nothing or hope God will do something, I KNOW NOTHING will happen.
I think you can see that, even though I still have symptoms, I do not have a victim mentality, but more of a militant one.
That is because the word of God is my sword, and Jesus is my strength to resist the devil, by fight back.
No need to pray that I be like you. It's NOT going to happen.
As I have said many times in the past, I can't not know what I know.
Or to put it another way, if I cannot not see this truth, how is it that you can or are able to?
And to set another record straight, Jesus is my everything.
I say ability, because Jesus said you shall know them by their fruit, and that those who are of the devil CANNOT HEAR God's word, which means they will not be able to see it either, but those who ARE OF God, will be able to both hear and see this truth. And I say that because, as the spirit is in us, so are we, for it is written, As Jesus is, so are we in this world.
God said His word can be used for correcting and/or reproving other, and so that is what I have been doing with the word of God.
I don't know where you got that "all about me" thing from, but I never said or implied that either. Even as my righteousness is not my own, neither is the faith I have. I know very well WHOSE FAITH IS IN ME. But at the same time, God tells us to exercise this faith He has given us, that we might do bigger and better things, not just for ourselves, but for others. Those who have little faith, center on themselves anyway, but those who have mature, start helping other.
God has given faith to EVERY man, a measure of faith. Yes, it is indeed a gift from God, but everyone has been given a measure of it. The question is, what are you going to do with it? Are you going to be like the lazy slothful servant who did nothing but hid his master's talent in the ground? Or are you going to be like the good and faithful servants who worked with what God gave them, that they might have more at His coming or when you meet Him?
The branches in Christ that bear no fruit, God takes away. The trees that bear no fruit, God commands them to be cut down. So what do you think I'm going to do with the talent God gave me. I'm going to work with what I have, that I might gain more for Jesus' glory, NOT mine. Getting someone healed is glory and a testament to God, not myself, because I'm not the one doing the work. Jesus is.
Why not deny what you are suffering?
Do you see denying what you are suffering, as believing or confessing a lie?
If you do, then that is one reason, among many, why you cannot be healed.
One reason why I do get healed, but not 100% of the time yet, is BECAUSE I deny or refuse to accept what I have been suffering from.
Have you not read what the scriptures say?
Luk 8:17 For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.
Luk 8:18 Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have.
How can you have something you don't have and not have something you do?
And what shall be given or taken away?
Again, here is another law of faith.
Before you get something you must first have it, and before you can have something taken away, you must first NOT have it.
I would like to focus on the latter half of that verse because I use it to get rid of sicknesses and diseases. And yes, it is a process that for most, takes time, including myself.
I could give some personal testimonies but I would prefer to explain this law.
I would like to first point out that whatever IT is that we don't have, is not written. I would suggest that it was written that way because it is "whatsoever" you choose not to have, which would most likely be something YOU don't like.
I personally don't like sicknesses or diseases. I don't do very well with either.
Another thing I would like to point out is, just because you see or feel something in your body, doesn't mean that it is or that it is there. But even if it was, according to this law, when we reject whatsoever "IT" is, IT has to be removed, eradicated, or taken away.
So yes, deny the cursed thing's right to be in your body, without any doubt, and it will go. It has to. It is not of God, but of the devil, and if we resist the lies of the devil, and both sicknesses and diseases are lies of the devil, the devil, along with the lie has to leave or be taken away.
First, you took what I said out of context, which I wrote about above, and second, I would like you to show me what I took bits and pieces out of context to make what Paul calls, "the word of faith", so that it overrides everything else in the bible.
I find that it AGREES WITH everything in the bible, not the reverse.
Sorry to hear that, but do you mean like what you accused me of doing, and what you are doing to me now?
I understand you see me as trying to propagate a lie of the devil, but because of the pain you suffered at the hands of other ignorant WOFers, you won't event look at what the scriptures say that I have shown repeatedly.
I am glad to hear that you turned to Jesus to be succored.
You are not the first one to try to lay a curse of sickness unto death on me, and I doubt you'll be the last, but to let you know, I already wrote of a lung disease that came on me, that I have been fighting.
Yes indeed, are you surprised?
I don't know what it was but I certainly rejected it and commanded it to go, and thanked Jesus for removing it.
I don't know what it was, because I never went to the doctors to have it checked out, but I will tell you, I though I was going to die at first.
Yup, lost faith in God for a little bit, but then got it back.
But to answer some question you might have-
Do I still have symptoms of the disease?
Some days yes, and some days no. It depends on how hard I go at it.
Do I still have the disease?
Absolutely NOT!!!
How can I say that?
Well first off, because I don't have it, just like I told you, and according to the word of God, whatsoever I don't have, will eventually be taken from me.
And like all the other things I got healed of and from, the symptoms WILL eventually leave.
It may take some time like some of the other things did, but I KNOW it will go, because I ask, I also know what the will of God is concerning sicknesses and diseases, I also know what faith is and how it works, and because I don't have it.
I hope I covered all the condemning questions you might have.
But to answer another one.
I WILL NOT DIE NOR BE OVERCOME by any sickness or disease, because again, Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil, and if that's what He came to do, then that is what is done to all the works of the devil in me, even as it is written, by whose stripes I WAS healed, it is already done, I just have to, accept Jesus' work on the cross of/for baring and taking the cures of the law of sin and death in His own body on the cross for me, and reject the devil's.
But if I do nothing or hope God will do something, I KNOW NOTHING will happen.
I think you can see that, even though I still have symptoms, I do not have a victim mentality, but more of a militant one.
That is because the word of God is my sword, and Jesus is my strength to resist the devil, by fight back.
No need to pray that I be like you. It's NOT going to happen.
As I have said many times in the past, I can't not know what I know.
Or to put it another way, if I cannot not see this truth, how is it that you can or are able to?
And to set another record straight, Jesus is my everything.
No sir, I did not.
The Greek word is logos, meaning, as interpreted, "a word", or utterance by a living voice, even as the old testament says in the Psalms.
Psa 103:20 Bless the LORD, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.
Or to say it another way, hearkening to those who VOICE or verbally say or confess God's word, or who give VOICE TO or speak the word of God.
Yes, John is REFERRING to Jesus, the person, but he calls Jesus, "the Word/utterance of God".
I am going to go with the literal definition of the Greek word itself, NOT who it is referring to.
The Greek word is logos, meaning, as interpreted, "a word", or utterance by a living voice, even as the old testament says in the Psalms.
Psa 103:20 Bless the LORD, ye his angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto the voice of his word.
Or to say it another way, hearkening to those who VOICE or verbally say or confess God's word, or who give VOICE TO or speak the word of God.
Yes, John is REFERRING to Jesus, the person, but he calls Jesus, "the Word/utterance of God".
I am going to go with the literal definition of the Greek word itself, NOT who it is referring to.
Joh 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
I'm not the one who first said it, Jesus is, and I believe He knew what He was talking about.
I'm going to give you a few witnesses, and if you can't accept it as it is written, then yes, I would question who you are of, because Jesus said, he that is of God hears God's word.
I will elaborate and/or magnify with some interpretation to explain key words that clearly shows WOF is not a lie of the devil, but a truth of God in the three sets of scriptures below.
2Co 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;
This not only is HOW faith works, it IS WOF, and it is the way it works also.
What the above verse doesn't explain is the kind of believing and where it must come from or out of. Many confuse God's definition of believing with theirs, which is, 'I believe God can, but...', they don't know if God will or not.
Rom 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
Rom 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word [of faith] is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith [WOF], which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be [OR HAVE] saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto [RATHER THE WORD OF GOD CAUSES WHAT YOU CONFESS TO MANIFEST ITSELF IN THE NATURAL] salvation.
I hope you can, at the very least, the words, "word of faith" written in verse 8. Verses 9 and 10 explains how this word of faith that is in you heart and mouth.
In your mouth means to speak it, as verses 9 and 10 state.
In your heart means to believe what you heard without any doubt, so much so, that you would act on it by saying or confessing what you believe. If it is in Jesus being your lord and savior, then that word which came from your heart, out your mouth, will manifest itself. But if it is for a sickness or disease because of what you felt or what the doctor's tests revealed, then it too will manifest or be enforced.
Words of faith can be for both good and bad, blessings and cursings, depending on what you believe in your heart, accept, and confess or act on. As it is written, "Death and life [or blessing and cursing] are in the power of your tongue."
WOF IS not about wealth and prosperity, but about what is in your heart that comes out your mouth.
Luk 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth [or causes to manifest] that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth [or causes to manifest] that which is evil: for [or because] [out] of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
There's that WOF again that comes from the heart and out of the mouth that causes what is said to manifest or to be brought forth, just like Jesus' words did with the fig tree. He said, we can do the same thing.
Are you able to see this clearly written, simple truth in the scriptures I provided?
If not, then there is something VERY wrong, because I don't know how to make it any plainer or clearer that you might see this truth other than to continue to give you even more scripture verses, because the bible is full of them.
What I have shown in this post is what word of faith is in it's most basic form, and that is why without it, there is no gospel of Jesus Christ. Without it, you more than likely, are not save, because in order for the law of faith to work, what you believe in your heart MUST be accompanied with either a physical act or speaking/uttering the same words you believe in your heart.
I'm not the one who first said it, Jesus is, and I believe He knew what He was talking about.
I'm going to give you a few witnesses, and if you can't accept it as it is written, then yes, I would question who you are of, because Jesus said, he that is of God hears God's word.
I will elaborate and/or magnify with some interpretation to explain key words that clearly shows WOF is not a lie of the devil, but a truth of God in the three sets of scriptures below.
2Co 4:13 We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak;
This not only is HOW faith works, it IS WOF, and it is the way it works also.
What the above verse doesn't explain is the kind of believing and where it must come from or out of. Many confuse God's definition of believing with theirs, which is, 'I believe God can, but...', they don't know if God will or not.
Rom 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
Rom 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word [of faith] is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith [WOF], which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be [OR HAVE] saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto [RATHER THE WORD OF GOD CAUSES WHAT YOU CONFESS TO MANIFEST ITSELF IN THE NATURAL] salvation.
I hope you can, at the very least, the words, "word of faith" written in verse 8. Verses 9 and 10 explains how this word of faith that is in you heart and mouth.
In your mouth means to speak it, as verses 9 and 10 state.
In your heart means to believe what you heard without any doubt, so much so, that you would act on it by saying or confessing what you believe. If it is in Jesus being your lord and savior, then that word which came from your heart, out your mouth, will manifest itself. But if it is for a sickness or disease because of what you felt or what the doctor's tests revealed, then it too will manifest or be enforced.
Words of faith can be for both good and bad, blessings and cursings, depending on what you believe in your heart, accept, and confess or act on. As it is written, "Death and life [or blessing and cursing] are in the power of your tongue."
WOF IS not about wealth and prosperity, but about what is in your heart that comes out your mouth.
Luk 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth [or causes to manifest] that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth [or causes to manifest] that which is evil: for [or because] [out] of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
There's that WOF again that comes from the heart and out of the mouth that causes what is said to manifest or to be brought forth, just like Jesus' words did with the fig tree. He said, we can do the same thing.
Are you able to see this clearly written, simple truth in the scriptures I provided?
If not, then there is something VERY wrong, because I don't know how to make it any plainer or clearer that you might see this truth other than to continue to give you even more scripture verses, because the bible is full of them.
What I have shown in this post is what word of faith is in it's most basic form, and that is why without it, there is no gospel of Jesus Christ. Without it, you more than likely, are not save, because in order for the law of faith to work, what you believe in your heart MUST be accompanied with either a physical act or speaking/uttering the same words you believe in your heart.
This is the essence of bad hermeneutics.
So, today in church, I decided to call WoF - the religion with Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Which comes from all your out of context verses. I did answer a post of yours, but I was on my iPad, so I emailed it to myself to do more justice to the rebuttal. So, that is why we are cross posting.
Every single verse you posted in this is out of context. You twist the Bible verses to mean something the complete text doesn't say.
1. There is only one place in the whole Bible it says “Word of Faith”. That Romans 10:8 you quoted above. You should NEVER make a doctrine out of one verse! If “Word of Faith” was that important, it would be all over the place. For instance, the word “cross” is all over the NT. Look that up in Biblegateway.com and there are 85 hits in the ESV, which follows the basic pattern and wording of the KJV, which I don’t understand. You can make a sure doctrine of importance of the cross in Christianity!
2. You have pulled Romans 10:8 out of context. What is Paul talking about? Salvation, plain and simple. That is what the gospel is all about. Even speaking in tongues, on the day of Pentecost was about people from every nation hearing the gospel, so they would be saved. Here is the context, which you lost in all your bolding, sizing and colouring! And God is the one who saves us, we do not save ourselves with words, thoughts or deeds!
”But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim);9 because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.11 For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.”12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him.13 For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” Romans 10:8-12
The entire passage, including the preceding verse is talking about SALVATION. Just like all the other verses Word of Faith pulls out of context, from the OT and the NT. And it is not talking about "our words" but the work of Jesus on the cross! And belief is what matters, we are not saved by our words, but by God!
3. Luke 6 - it is talking about fruit, not about words controlling things! If you would just read the surrounding verses, you would realize Jesus is talking about fruit. And the reason we bear fruit, is not the superficial words we say, but the HEART. That is what is important. Heart comes first. No amount of mouthing words does anything if the heart is not first changed and then transformed by God.
”For no good tree bears bad fruit, nor again does a bad tree bear good fruit,44 for each tree is known by its own fruit. For figs are not gathered from thornbushes, nor are grapes picked from a bramble bush. 45 The good person out of the good treasure of his heart produces good, and the evil person out of his evil treasure produces evil, for out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.” Luke 6:43-45
Fruit has two aspects;
1. Character: “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.” Gal. 5:22-23. Paul is contrasting the works of the flesh, in Gal. 19-21 with the fruit of the Spirit! The fruit of the Spirit is the good fruit.
2. Commission: Jesus also talks about “bearing fruit” as being part of the gospel, which is the witness of the gospel to the lost.
”And so, from the day we heard, we have not ceased to pray for you, asking that you may be filled with the knowledge of his will in all spiritual wisdom and understanding,10 so as to walk in a manner worthy of the Lord, fully pleasing to him: bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God;11 being strengthened with all power, according to his glorious might, for all endurance and patience with joy;” Col. 1:9-11
“I am the true vine, and my Father is the vinedresser.2 Every branch in me that does not bear fruit he takes away, and every branch that does bear fruit he prunes, that it may bear more fruit.3 Already you are clean because of the word that I have spoken to you.4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me.5 I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing.6 If anyone does not abide in me he is thrown away like a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned.7 If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.8 By this my Father is glorified, that you bear much fruit and so prove to be my disciples.9 As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Abide in my love.10 If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.11 These things I have spoken to you, that my joy may be in you, and that your joy may be full.” John 15:1-11
Why did Jesus call his disciples in the first place? Was it so they could sit around talking about faith to themselves? And what was the last message he gave them, before he ascended into heaven, which is written in several places? It was to make disciples. The Great Commission, bearing fruit, is all about making disciples. And not disciples of some narcissistic religion of the self but making disciples who love and follow Christ. Not their own words, spoken boldly with lots of colouring and bolding.
"And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” Matt 28:18-20
So, what is the real gospel?
”Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand,2 and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6 Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. 8 Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me. 9 For I am the least of the apostles, unworthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me was not in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them, though it was not I, but the grace of God that is with me. 11 Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.” 1 Cor. 15:1-11
And further down, just to be clear, Jesus is the first FRUIT! And we should be imitating him in being fruit. Not once in 1 Cor. 15 does Paul say anything about being saved by words. In fact, we don't save ourselves at all! It is God who saves us, first, then we go and tell people what Christ has done for us.
“But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. 24 Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. 25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For “God has put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when it says, “all things are put in subjection,” it is plain that he is excepted who put all things in subjection under him.28 When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.” 1 Cor. 15:20-28
Not once in this entire clear statement of faith, does he mention word, words of faith or speaking utterances! Instead, it is all about Jesus! Who lived, died on the cross for our sins, and then raised from the dead, the firstfruits of the Kingdom of God!
3. You have totally missed the Christian “faith” is about Jesus. Not about “MY” anything. Not my words, my utterances. What a counterfeit gospel. Look to Jesus, and perhaps he will save you from this deceptive and destructive lie from the devil, which is certainly “another gospel.” See what Paul said in 1 Cor. 15 about WHAT the gospel is, as I have excerpted above. Read the context, which is both 1 & 2 Corinthians, and the rest of the Bible!
”For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.” 2 Cor. 11:14
Beautiful testimony of faith Know1., I totally attest to what you are saying as it has been the truth in my own life these last 6 years too. I was not raised in a church with a Word of Faith teaching. But I learned that we HAVE been given these things at the time of our salvation. There is much to learn about our salvation (sozo) it's not only getting saved from hell and going to be with Jesus later when we die. It's walking out our salvation each day discovering the things He has done in us and to us and for us. One day will be different than another. Our faith is always growing and we will always be learning but we are not alone. We have the Holy Spirit to teach us all things while we're on the way.
And so in this aspect of our salvation concerning bodily healing as well as our mental and spiritual healing ., we learn as we go and we grow as we go. As you said., we can have faith as tiny as a mustard seed but it's enough to move mountains in our lives. I totally see the truth of our words being a major part of our walk with Christ. What we believe in our hearts comes out of our mouths.
We can bless or curse and we are to be learning daily to be careful never to curse ourselves or others with our tongues. Yet we Christians and non Christians do it daily. Us Christians need to be aware of our words. "I'm dying to wear those shoes" "That cake is to die for" "This heat is killing me" EVERY DAY people say this stuff and each day they curse their lives and the lives of others with their tongues not even knowing the power of the tongue.
The Bible says these things aught not to be so! We each need to learn to speak blessing and healing not death and sickness. But as you said Know1., people are ignorant of this and even call it silly and superstitious and new age and heretical. But its totally BIBLICAL and sound and true.
Thank you for you lovely post. We need to speak the word of faith each day and live it and walk it out. Bless you!
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You need to "unlearn" what you have been taught and here is an opportunity right here on this forum. Christians here are telling and attesting to the fact not all those of us who believe in the "word of faith" believe the same. What is being said here by Know1 (and I agree) is we have been saved and given these things IN Christ. We have them in this "so great a salvation" We don't work "FOR" them. We work "FROM" them.
So much so that we will be learning about all that Jesus has given to us each day. We work "out" what Christ has already "worked in" us at the time of our salvation (sozo) We have been given His righteousness and so we learn to work it out., we have been given a sound mind and so we are learning to work it out... we have been given power...love.... so we work them out. None of us are full grown and totally mature yet.
We work them OUT by watering the seed He has put in us. That is done by the washing of the water of the Word.. That is why the Bible says His seed remains in us so that we cannot sin... What does that mean? Does it mean we never sin? no., it means we are born again sons now (His seed is in us now) and we are to grow into full maturity in the faith and the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. This is a daily happening for us and we have the Holy Spirit pointing us constantly to Jesus and the Word so to guide us as we go and as we grow.
So much so that we will be learning about all that Jesus has given to us each day. We work "out" what Christ has already "worked in" us at the time of our salvation (sozo) We have been given His righteousness and so we learn to work it out., we have been given a sound mind and so we are learning to work it out... we have been given power...love.... so we work them out. None of us are full grown and totally mature yet.
We work them OUT by watering the seed He has put in us. That is done by the washing of the water of the Word.. That is why the Bible says His seed remains in us so that we cannot sin... What does that mean? Does it mean we never sin? no., it means we are born again sons now (His seed is in us now) and we are to grow into full maturity in the faith and the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. This is a daily happening for us and we have the Holy Spirit pointing us constantly to Jesus and the Word so to guide us as we go and as we grow.
I understand that there is more than one reason why people cannot see some plain truths, and what I said, does not apply to all who can't see it. The one's I question are the teachers and preachers who have been studying the word of God for years, who cannot see it. If anyone should be able to see and understand WOF, it should be the pastors and those who teach God's word to others.
Another reason baby Christians can see it is because they can't handle certain truths is because they choke on it, so to speak.
Another reason which I see often on this site is because others have turned them away, based on the treatment they received.
There's another reason, but I don't know what it is off hand at the moment, but my point is, questioning someone's salvation does not apply to all who are not able to see certain truths, just the ones who have been studying and teaching for years.
And just because I question someone's salvation, based on their inability to see certain truths, obviously doesn't mean they are not.
Another reason baby Christians can see it is because they can't handle certain truths is because they choke on it, so to speak.
Another reason which I see often on this site is because others have turned them away, based on the treatment they received.
There's another reason, but I don't know what it is off hand at the moment, but my point is, questioning someone's salvation does not apply to all who are not able to see certain truths, just the ones who have been studying and teaching for years.
And just because I question someone's salvation, based on their inability to see certain truths, obviously doesn't mean they are not.