Word of Faith Teaching question

[The_highwayman]

Did he ever go to the doctor before he died? It seems like I remember reading where he thought the way it was supposed to work as you didn't get sick and then one day you just die, unless you are here for the rapture.

According to Rhema folks in the know at the time, who are no longer with the ministry, he not only was seeing DR's for a few years before he died, he was seeking treatment and taking medication, but publicly claiming he was healed....

I heard Hagin had a big meeting before he died where he corrected people for teaching the 'hundred fold blessing' thing going around, and they stopped saying that after he did.

I have only been in this area for about 7 years, but know someone who went to this meeting and it was received by many to be a blame game...top people ignored his so called rebuke and warning....these people also state was it also received by them as him shifting blame on his own followers,but HE never took any personal responsibility or said he was wrong, jsut his follower adn others in the movement were wrong.. There is no denying that he taught it, preached it , practiced it and believed i. Many state that a year when his Book the Midas Touch came out, it was again, him trying to cove up his own false teachings on it by lashing out at others. If you see the ministry now, Hagin Jr. is at least as bad or worse that "Dad" was and all Rhema students continue fleecing people...I also cannot believe he was so dismayed by others, because he routinely shifts blame in his books on others and always made himself out to be the smartest, most anointed and most faith filled believer in any examples he wrote about in what few books I have read. At the very least ole "DAD" had a pretty high opinion of himself...

I've heard Hagin didn't actually write his books. They were gathered from his transcribed sermons. He also had an unusual memory. Without trying to memorize it, he was able to quote at one time about a quarter of the New Testament, he said. He could have heard Hagin on the radio years before and said the same thing without realizing he was doing so. I was having a conversation with a woman a week or two ago who quoted the Westminster confession, apparently without realizing it.[QUOTE

I never heard this, but you can read all his main books and little pocket books and you are reading word for word Kenyon in a lot of his larger books. I never thought of Hagin as a Pastor or preacher...I saw him as a teacher. As far as knowing the Bible like that I believe many are like that...so I will not comment on that...I have memorized large amounts of scripture as well, so that is not an issue for me..

I'm not going to condemn all WOFers to Hell like some people want to do. I've met annoying WOFers who condemn you for saying you have a cold and that sort of thing. I've also known some people who went to Rhema who sounded like evangelical or Pentecostal preachers when they preached and when you talk to them. I think some of the Copeland followers may be a bit more extreme than some of the Rhema grads.

I am not condemning anyone to hell, but I have been around WOFers and most if not all are pretty full of pride, condemnation and think they are the best Christians there are...We agree on your comment about Copeland....

I choose to look at Rhema Bible School in this way....there was a mass exodus of teachers who have been there for decades about 4 years ago....and several left the faith altogether or had to go elsewhere to be restored....the smae thing happened at the church at about the same time....I won't go into rumors, because those are rumors, but when you see a shift of that magnitude and people who had been involved for decades either have to be restored, healed or leave the Faith altogether, speaks about fruit...

I will say this happened to me when I audited a few classes at Rhema, while picking which Bible School to attend years ago...NOt once did any teacher at Rhema ever preach or teach from the Bible...not once in 4 classes I audited and took 4 classes for each class...the reosurces were all "dad" hagins books and we never opend in prayer, we never cracke dopen a BIbloe or turned them on....classes would stat and halfway through it turned into WOrshipping "DAD" and his boy....and then "having church"...menaing lets lay ahdns oin each other, start yammering in tongues and give each other prophecies that never line up wiht the word....Perosnally spekaing, when I hit the school parking lot, I felt a darkness, like when I walk into prisons to minister...my expereince was it was a joke and manufactured by fleshy and carnal CHristian teachers, who seemd to have positions, but no calling...

I used to see the hearing WOFers on TV. I was raised Pentecostal. But some of those preachers, if you turn them on for a minute, start contradicting the Bible and then try to argue that the verses they contradicted don't say what they mean. The emphasis on money some of the preachers had back in the '80's up through today has always struck me as very carnal. Then I went oversees and lived in a little town where a lot of the expats were either Lutheran or Rhema grads. I also made friends with an older missionary when I moved out of that town who'd founded the Bible college there. Some of the rhema grads seemed extreme in that the quoted Kenneth Hagin left and right, which was super annoying to me. But some WOFers were fairly evangelical in their thought process. They are all what might be called 'Arminian'-- or not really Reformed Arminian, but what passes for Armininianism.

we agree on this...

I'm not sure your problem here. If you have a job that provides for you, that's 'prosperity' in a sense. I don't see a problem with giving people who go to your church jobs. That sounds like a good thing to do.

It is a great thing I agree.

It is a problem when you would see some person sob in front of church that they cannot make a car payment on the Range Rover and if by some act of divine intervention next week the car was paid off....and they calim it was soemthing else other than some buddy in church paying off the note...

Its a problem when the blessing is manufactured and not real to prove what? I am not sure...saw this happen all the time...and even heard 2 in a bathroom laughing how that sheep are so stupid and easy to decive, but I got my car paid off...

I hadn't associated growling like lions or groping spouses in public with WOF. Was this a 'big name' WOFers meeting?

Nope not at all, back to back normalk SUnday night service at a WOF church...the Holy Laughter was pathetic and then some used the term bursh arbor spell...using thre word "spell" describing the HOly Ghost...I will pass thank you very much...

It does seem like some of the guys on TV only talk about these niche faith doctrines, money, etc. But I've met people from WOF backgrounds who teach on all topics and don't sound greedy and harp on money like some of the folks on TV. I used to think of the ones who only had a few topics they focused on as WOF, but some of these other preachers will call themselves WOF if you ask them.

I stay clea rof them adn their teachings...it leads nowhere but the ditch...

 

[Ugly]

"Faith in faith" is the perfect way to describe it. That is exactly how I was taught growing up, and exactly how I had viewed God until I began reading the Word for myself.

Who can I attribute that explanation to? It is very helpful in explaining, and I will certainly use it in my next conversation with my mother.

I remember reading it in this book... Christianity In Crisis: The 21st Century: Hank Hanegraaff: 9780849964596: Amazon.com: Books

I don't remember if he quoted another or if he was using his own terminology.

 

[Ugly]

I followed hagin for many years.Then I despised wof for many years.(but never,ever Hagin)

The biggest trial of my llife ,(demon attack about 18 years ago,) almost wiped me out spiritually. I was completely and totally shipwrecked.

2 Things happened from the bottom of this pit.
1) God showed up
2) a couple ordained by wof showed up.

Sure is nice to have powerful WORD oriented believers pull up beside you when all else is mush.
They hammer God's word into their students.


They are not a cult. They got Jesus "down pat".

I have looked into the sorts of things taught by WoF and they are not biblical. I've seen the side by side comparisons of the beliefs taught by WoF teachers and new age teachings and how they are identical other than the wording. God used a donkey once, but that doesn't mean i'm going to start believing in donkeys.

 

[Sophia]

I remember reading it in this book... Christianity In Crisis: The 21st Century: Hank Hanegraaff: 9780849964596: Amazon.com: Books

I don't remember if he quoted another or if he was using his own terminology.

Oh ty. I've heard a few good quotes from him before.

 

[popeye]

Sorry brother, Hagin was just never caught, he maintained he never had a head ache or other body ills, like a common cold, or anything wrong with his body, since he was healed in his bed as a 16 yer old, but died from a heart attack due to chronic and massive heart disease, which Rhema Church and all his fair headed boys like Copeland kept quiet.....

I live in the area Hagin called home....he created a monster and knew it, but never recanted or did anything to stop it....

Hagin was a plagiarist in every sense of the word and stole and claimed has his own teachings and writing of E.W. Kenyon..

The one test that proves WOF and Hagin and all WOF ministers are false teachers is no other than Romans 8.1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Anyone around WOF long enough will begin to learn that WOF adherents place themselves and everyone outside of the WOF movement, under deliberate and constant condemnation....

Statements like: Where is your faith? Don't you have Faith? Doctors, shame on you, you are healed of the Lord.!!!..Money...call it in now...angels bring you wealth....The blessings of the Lord make you rich and adds no sorrow to it....The greatest condemnation WOF pile onto people is if they ever have to go through the valley....if you go through a valley and are in a WOF church, they shun you and tell you to examine yourself, because Satan is attacking you and your faith is not strong enough, because faith keeps the devil at bay....they think anything negative is on you and you messed up some how...I once heard a girl tell a WOF pastor, I love my mom to death....the WOF clown says...oh no, you love them to life, do not curse your mom, or make her die before her time....The condemnation alone is so thick it becomes false humility and then unmitigated pride...WOF adherents are some of the most uptight, upset, angry, delusional, fake, easily hurt and bitter christians I have been around....When real attacks of the enemy happen, they are often powerless, because they cannot understand why God allows their faith to be tested..The WOF has more that turn away from the faith than other pentecostal movement...

They also manufacture their own Prosperity and call it a blessing...I have watched many WOF business owners put others to work in teh movement and they call it prosperity....they only bless each other....and it is sickening to watch unfold, because it is all lies...

Then they have their Holy Ghost meetings , I have witnessed people nbakring like dogs, growling like lions, groping their spouses in overt sexual manners, HOLY LAUGHTER which is totally bogus...and not the the joy of the Lord...then some man of God, Hagin follower waves a pinky finger and 15 rows hit the floor...all fake and very counterfiet....

The most damning part of the heresy is the insistent belief that Faith is the only doctrine and that Jesus was the ultimate WOF minister....

The movement fails on the 2nd test of scripture under Hebrew 6.1
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Romans 4 says faith is simply being fully persuaded, it would seem the WOF movement continually has to show people how fully persuaded they are....

WOF also will not every admit they have trials or struggles and that is just not Biblical....all they preach and teach is Faith...ask any WOF minister to go deeper or preach another topic they wont,because they cant....

Peoples mileage may vary..I am a Full Gospel, Spirit Filled believer and I stay away from WOF and advise anyone that is pulled into them to run...and run now...

The most damning part of the heresy is the insistent belief that Faith is the only doctrine and that Jesus was the ultimate WOF minister....

This is pure garbage. Literal false puke. You are desperate.

The movement fails on the 2nd test of scripture under Hebrew 6.1
Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Oh yes teaching Jesus and faith is so,so demonic. Let us hear more of your doctrinal depth....so thrilling!

Romans 4 says faith is simply being fully persuaded, it would seem the WOF movement continually has to show people how fully persuaded they are....

We understand,we understand,from your previous power point. Faith=bad,Jesus =bad. Got it

WOF also will not every admit they have trials or struggles and that is just not Biblical....all they preach and teach is Faith...ask any WOF minister to go deeper or preach another topic they wont,because they cant....

All them babies you throw out with the bath water. That must be the foul smell of lies. Sad,really sad.

Under your logic and template,I listened to 4 hours of a baptist and decided to do what you just did. Demonise 1/2 of the body of christ.......Nah,will leave that notion to the "experts"

Will continue to listen to hagin and chuck missler (oh yes another "plagerist")........and laugh at your desperation.

 

[popeye]

Kenyon=black letters
Hagin=red
The twenty-second Psalm gives a
The 22nd Psalm gives a
graphic picture of the crucifixion
graphic picture of the crucifixion
of Jesus. It is more vivid than
of Jesus-more vivid than
that of John, Matthew or Mark
that of John, Matthew or Mark
who witnessed it.
witnessed it.

Psalm 22 describes the crucifixion of our Lord Jesus Christ graphically, and is more crystal-clear than John, Matthew, or Mark.

But He says the strangest words,
He utters the strange words
"But thou are holy."
"But thou are holy."What does that mean?
What does that mean?
He is becoming sin.
He is becoming sin. . . .

Our Lord Jesus Christ uttered strange words: “But thou are holy!” What does those word means to us? Is HE becoming our sin?

Can you hear those parched lips cry,
His parched lips cry,
"I am a worm and no man."?
"I am a worm and no man."
He is spiritually dead. The worm.
He is spiritually dead-the worm.

Can you imagine and hear His parched lips cry out: “I am a worm and no man”?

Jesus had died of a ruptured heart.
Jesus died of a ruptured heart.

When our Lord Jesus Christ died, he died of a ruptured heart.

When that happened, blood from all
When it happened, blood from all
parts of the body poured in through
parts of His body poured through
the rent, into the sack that
the rent into the sack which
holds the heart.

When this happened, the blood throughout His body poured into His heart and filled the area of His heart.Then as the body
holds the heart. As the body
cooled, the red corpuscles
cooled, the red corpuscles
coagulated and rose to the
coagulated and rose to the
top.

Then as His body cooled,the red corpuscles coagulated and rose to the top of His heart.

The white serum settled
top, the white serum settled
to the bottom. When that
to the bottom When that

And the white serum settled to the bottom of His heart.

Roman soldier's spear pierced the
Roman spear pierced the
sack, water poured out first. Then
sack, water poured out first, then
the coagulated blood oozed out,
the coagulated blood oozed out,
rolled down His side onto the
rolling down his side onto the
ground, and John bore witness of it.
ground. John bore witness of it.

The Roman’s soldier’s spear pierced our Lord Jesus Christ’s heart sack, and water poured out from it. Then the coagulated blood oozed out, rolling down His side and onto the ground.


John witnessed the whole event.


This is copied and pasted from another site. The blue is added for the "authorities" in the body of Christ to have a new brother to demonise.

 

[popeye]

I have looked into the sorts of things taught by WoF and they are not biblical. I've seen the side by side comparisons of the beliefs taught by WoF teachers and new age teachings and how they are identical other than the wording. God used a donkey once, but that doesn't mean i'm going to start believing in donkeys.

You plagerised that from hank hannagraff

It all makes sense now.
Carry on

 

[Sophia]

The issue with Word of Faith is focus.
It is a Believer centric view, rather than a God centric view.
Rather than Faith being a gift from God, given in measure out of His Grace,
Faith becomes the responsibility of the Believer to provide.
Rather than miracles occurring due to the will of God working through an individual, to display His Glory, in His own time,
miracles become the product of believing the right things the right way in order to force God's hand. (as if God is hogtied to do anything good until we tell Him to do it)

Living in expectation is one thing,
but living like we control God by how forcefully we wield "faith" is not Biblical or a healthy spiritual attitude.

 

[iwant2serve]

Before saying something is bad or good we should seek the word for the truth. WOF has much biblical backing but like everything there is extremist who take it past truth to fantasy. There is or should not be a believer who does not live by WOF just put it in prospective. As far as giving to get that should never be the motive because we are told not to give like that, yet when we give we should expect a return in some way (before you slam me look in the bible ad see what it says about giving). The gospel is confirmed with miracles. signs, and wonders but that should not be our focus, the focus is what Jesus preached the kingdom of God. There is also biblical proof of people speaking of things that is not recorded that God told them and it happened. Jesus himself said with faith you can speak to the mountain, Many say that is not a physical mountain but Nations or situations in our lives.

 

[The_highwayman]

This is pure garbage. Literal false puke. You are desperate.


Oh yes teaching Jesus and faith is so,so demonic. Let us hear more of your doctrinal depth....so thrilling!


We understand,we understand,from your previous power point. Faith=bad,Jesus =bad. Got it


All them babies you throw out with the bath water. That must be the foul smell of lies. Sad,really sad.

Under your logic and template,I listened to 4 hours of a baptist and decided to do what you just did. Demonise 1/2 of the body of christ.......Nah,will leave that notion to the "experts"

Will continue to listen to hagin and chuck missler (oh yes another "plagerist")........and laugh at your desperation.

Their rotten fruit speaks louder than your soft spoken defense....

 

[The_highwayman]

Before saying something is bad or good we should seek the word for the truth. WOF has much biblical backing but like everything there is extremist who take it past truth to fantasy. There is or should not be a believer who does not live by WOF just put it in prospective. As far as giving to get that should never be the motive because we are told not to give like that, yet when we give we should expect a return in some way (before you slam me look in the bible ad see what it says about giving). The gospel is confirmed with miracles. signs, and wonders but that should not be our focus, the focus is what Jesus preached the kingdom of God. There is also biblical proof of people speaking of things that is not recorded that God told them and it happened. Jesus himself said with faith you can speak to the mountain, Many say that is not a physical mountain but Nations or situations in our lives.

Faith is simply being fully persuaded that what God has promised and said, he will also do....

I do not nee dot run around claiming my Faith...WOF has always seemed to be very spiritually immature for me...

I do not think Sarah watched Abraham running all over the wilderness naming, claiming, blabbing and grabbing...he was simply fully persuaded that what God said, he would also due....

 

[royalscot]

faith as small as a mustard seed. have you seen the size of a mustard seed.
Ask, and It Will Be Given
7 "Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.8 For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened.9 Or which one of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone?10 Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent?11 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!
Matthew 7
, problems with, name it, blame it, and claim it,do we need to ask for the correct things for prayer to be answered.
hearing with faith, when called to pray for an other.
5 Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith-Galatians 3

 

[damombomb]

I can not do anything without the Lord. I have to have faith" in him",or i would not make it through life's trials, ect.
You must absolutely have faith.

 

[The_highwayman]

This is pure garbage. Literal false puke. You are desperate.


Oh yes teaching Jesus and faith is so,so demonic. Let us hear more of your doctrinal depth....so thrilling!


We understand,we understand,from your previous power point. Faith=bad,Jesus =bad. Got it


All them babies you throw out with the bath water. That must be the foul smell of lies. Sad,really sad.

Under your logic and template,I listened to 4 hours of a baptist and decided to do what you just did. Demonise 1/2 of the body of christ.......Nah,will leave that notion to the "experts"

Will continue to listen to hagin and chuck missler (oh yes another "plagerist")........and laugh at your desperation.

WE sat in a WOF church and purposed to give it at least 18-24 months of intentional dedication and devotion. We knew the pastors and other leadership and they knew us. We were attempting to check ourselves to make sure our assumptions were not our flesh...We were really stretching ourselves to see if we maybe WOF was what they stated they were. We laid aside all of opinions, etc. We planted our selves and let them pour into us....

We lasted 12 months and could have left and sifted as wheat....We were thankful we had been rooted and planted in the word of God and had been walking with the Spirit for years, and been under strong men and women of God...We were thankful and praise God he gave us the opportunity and strength to last the year we did.

Not once did we ever receive any preaching or teaching that went beyond the basics of faith. Their guest speakers, all talked about Faith. To be honest, there was no meat, just pet doctrine....and jsut basics nothing advacned...It became really evident to us, that the pastors, were just teachers and only taught what they knew...which was faith..

Never saw anyone crack open or turn on a Bible...just memorized pet verses about faith and asking God.

We needed a new car badly back then and were scolded that we were not praying specifically or hard enough...so we did as
taught and did so with a clear heart and nothing happened...not one thing.....I did hear the Lord tell me....stop, I got this its coming...

Well that was not good enough for the pastors, I was hearing from the devil, pray specifics, demand God give you that car, they would say and then place us under condemnation with stories about "DAD" hagin getting his cars....oh and pray its a brand new one and debt free as well...

One leader asked my wife what color she wnated, green said my wife...then you will have it....

We gave them mental assent to do what they demanded, because we knew we had heard from the Lord and were content in HIS answer...

4 months after getting beat up by WOF shame, the Lord gave us our new car it was not green and not brand new but a 2013 with low miles and we got financed at a rate we could not believe...

GOD DELIVERED!

Church leadership was livid with us...this was not GOD, because it was not the color we asked for or paid off and not brand new...we would not let them steal our Joy...I could type for hours telling you the shenanigans we witnessed and the pure lack of Bible knowledge and other sad stories....the leadership? 20 years under DAD hagin and 15 under one of "DAD"'s top lieutenants. They had been planted in this church for years.


The final laughable moment came when we were released by God to leave...we told them we were leaving and it was our fault the church was dwindling and our fault the church was turning over repeatedly, because of our lack of Faith...

We never saw good fruit, just a trail of deceptions, lies, condemnation, torn apart lives and a messy church...that had such a spirit of control on it, it was snuffing people out...

Here is the other thing in that year wwe wnet to several other WOF churches, including Hagin's for special meetings, etc and guess what?....yeah they were all the same....

One person would not even ride in the car got, because it was not the one God really wanted to give us...

Stay on your highway to hell if you want to, but do not ever attmept to get people to ride whit you on it....

 

[Stephen63]

We never saw good fruit, just a trail of deceptions, lies, condemnation, torn apart lives and a messy church...that had such a spirit of control on it, it was snuffing people out...

Good testimony..... I locked in immediately when I saw the statement above, for this is in nearly every WOF church, from mild to extreme.

E.W. Kenyon, Kenneth Hagin...... Have we forgotten where this WOF stuff originated from? Here's some scripture for what ails the WOF followers:

1Cor. 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
Matthew 7:15-20 (KJV) [SUP]15 [/SUP]Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? [SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. [SUP]18 [/SUP]A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

If the tree is corrupt, what else can the fruit be? And please don't talk about "good intentions" concerning this doctrine, because it doesn't change what it is.

 

[The_highwayman]

Good testimony..... I locked in immediately when I saw the statement above, for this is in nearly every WOF church, from mild to extreme.

E.W. Kenyon, Kenneth Hagin...... Have we forgotten where this WOF stuff originated from? Here's some scripture for what ails the WOF followers:

1Cor. 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
Matthew 7:15-20 (KJV) [SUP]15 [/SUP]Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? [SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. [SUP]18 [/SUP]A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

If the tree is corrupt, what else can the fruit be? And please don't talk about "good intentions" concerning this doctrine, because it doesn't change what it is.

Thank You Stephen...

 

[Stephen63]

I also met a family of WOF people that came to our church several years ago here in Ky...... the mother & father both went to Rhema Bible College & both were preachers. The wife was the dominant one, while the husband was somewhat subjective to her. She dressed rich & professional, for she came from a wealthy family. Where are they today? The husband committed suicide (hung himself from his back porch), & their son is now a sodomite, attending church quietly with his 'other' at an AOG church (not members).

 

[The_highwayman]

Good testimony..... I locked in immediately when I saw the statement above, for this is in nearly every WOF church, from mild to extreme.

E.W. Kenyon, Kenneth Hagin...... Have we forgotten where this WOF stuff originated from? Here's some scripture for what ails the WOF followers:

1Cor. 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
Matthew 7:15-20 (KJV) [SUP]15 [/SUP]Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? [SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. [SUP]18 [/SUP]A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

If the tree is corrupt, what else can the fruit be? And please don't talk about "good intentions" concerning this doctrine, because it doesn't change what it is.

Sadly I think the largest issue is all the pride....and the fact that you can discern they are going through a valley but that WOF pride keeps them from admitting it...

The one absolute slap in God's face to me, is this thing called Holy Laughter...I mean hysterical cackling...like at a party...

I had to attended some big meeting one night and the minister comes by waves his finger and 8 rows fall out on the floor and come back up laughing, except for me...I remained standing and told by a handler of the minister...Guess you do not need the Joy of the Lord!?!? I looked right back at him and said the joy of the Lord is a fruit of the spirit and has nothing to do with laughter or human emotion....

That miniter came over to me 5x trying to push me down...I finally told him after the 6th try...ain't nobody gonna push me down by the Holy Ghost, move along and Don't ever touch me again without my permission!

We never let any of them lay hands on us, because the Holy Ghost reminded me of 1 Tim 5.22....

I said this on another post on this topic...I have wlake dinto minister in prisons all over the USA and some in the world...and whenever I walked onto Hagin's territory or any other WOF church mild to extreme, I discerned the same darkness I would encounter walking into every prison I have ever ministered in....same for the RBTC...

This is not some phsycial feeling either, I hear the voice of the shepherd and the voice of strangers I will not follow...One of the former prisoners we ministered to got out and she said she could discern the same thing in the WOF chuches she attended...

Highway to hell in the fast lane...

 

[The_highwayman]

I also met a family of WOF people that came to our church several years ago here in Ky...... the mother & father both went to Rhema Bible College & both were preachers. The wife was the dominant one, while the husband was somewhat subjective to her. She dressed rich & professional, for she came from a wealthy family. Where are they today? The husband committed suicide (hung himself from his back porch), & their son is now a sodomite, attending church quietly with his 'other' at an AOG church (not members).

wow!

We saw that all the time at many WOF churches...Both grads form Rhema, but Dominant Women and Ahab passive husbands...

We went to a camp meeting at a small one one night and the perverse spirit on the pastors dominant wife was so extreme, we left...and not becuase it was affecting me, but my wife discerned the woman kept undressing her and wanted her....

That is amazing you said this....total confirmation brother...

 

[popeye]

Interesting that faith is a very bad thing to some.

Salvation ,likewise, must be bad if we use the same logic.

" I knew a man that got saved and went crazy"
Well,that proves it. Salvation is bad. (rolleyes)