WORK OUT YOUR SALVATION IN FEAR AND TREMBLING.

[bud62]

The DARKNESS IS SIN, WALKING IN DARKNESS IS SINNING,
And when god's light show us the truth, that it is sin, WE are to repemt AND COME TO THE LIGHT, WHICH MEANS WE ARE TO STOP, DOING THAT SIN, AND WALK IN THAT light that GOD has showed US, TO keep doing that SIN, IS WALKING IN DARKNESS.
Thank YOU

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

I'm seeing ' and this shall turn to my salvation ' As in the sense of all the Fuit of his ministry can be traced back to his salvation ( when he first got saved) Thus Paul wants the same to happen to these believers also . He Worked OUT so they too can work OUT their salvation so that likewise the furtherance of the Gospel will also turn to their salvation.

Well, you and I both know how often people tend to turn this phrase into "work FOR salvation!" rather than what it actually says, "WORK OUT your [own] salvation" (the "salvation" you already possess, legally/positionally)... that is, EXERCISE IT outwardly (and yes, this benefits others, just like in 1:14 )

 

[calibob]

John 12:31-32

OOOooo. I really like this one. I really think that people who think that everything that happens, is Gods will, should learn this verse. I believe God allows things to happen that are not his will. He and only He will judge in the end. If everything that happens is his decision and ordained by him, what or who would he have to Judge?

 

[bud62]

Well, you and I both know how often people tend to turn this phrase into "work FOR salvation!" rather than what it actually says, "WORK OUT your [own] salvation" (the "salvation" you already possess, legally/positionally)... that is, EXERCISE IT outwardly (and yes, this benefits others, just like in 1:14 )

There is no way to work out your own Salvation, BUT through And BY WHAT GOD'S holy WORD TELL US. any thing else would would be your own Righteous, To be Righteous is to OBEY GOD'S COMMANDMENTS.
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
We haft to use what the BIBLE SAYs TO WORK OUT OUR OWN SALVATION, THERE IS NO OTHER WAY, OUR MINDS CAN NOT UNDERSTAND GOD, without HIS HOLY WORD,

 

[bud62]

Well, you and I both know how often people tend to turn this phrase into "work FOR salvation!" rather than what it actually says, "WORK OUT your [own] salvation" (the "salvation" you already possess, legally/positionally)... that is, EXERCISE IT outwardly (and yes, this benefits others, just like in 1:14 )

OOOooo. I really like this one. I really think that people who think that everything that happens, is Gods will, should learn this verse. I believe God allows things to happen that are not his will. He and only He will judge in the end. If everything that happens is his decision and ordained by him, what or who would he have to Judge?

It is not GOD'S will that any should PERISH, BUT most Will perish, THIS shows us that a lot of things that HAPPENS is not GOD'S will,
It is not GOD'S will that anyone should SIN, BUT SIN is MULTIPLYING in the WORLD, GOD HATES SIN,

 

[Corban]

I cant believe you would use a curse word here in this form?

You should know by now that the word "DO" is a curse word for many on cc

Don't have to pray.....that requires me "doing" something.

Dont have to attend church....that requires me "doing" something

Dont have to keep Gods commands.....that requires me "doing" something

Endure to the end......no, that requires me "doing"

Run the race with patience.....no that requires me "doing"

Be a servant.....no can't "do" it

Being sarcastic of course!!!

You had me there .... for a few seconds. I think that the majority of Reformers on this Website (and the others like it), are ready to die in battle like Zwingli for salvation by faith and not works. But if they only considered all the Bible, their doctrine would not be endangered, and they would be able to explain (and put into practice) those scriptures where WORKS are required.

Go well bro.

 

[Corban]

I am one that does believe that 2:12 ("with fear and trembling") connects back with 1:14, which states, "And most of the brothers, confident in the Lord by my chains, now dare more greatly to speak the word without fear."

The entire context speaking of "in the here and now" (including 3:11 and 3:14, which ppl commonly MIS-apply by saying it speaks of our Rapture, which it isn't - http://articles.ochristian.com/article12455.shtml ... which article should be read very carefully... and note where he points out what follows this part: "Ephesians and Colossians, be it remembered, were written at the same period of his ministry as Philippians; and in the light of these Scriptures we can read this chapter aright.")


Then, note the other places where "with fear and trembling" (or similar) are used, and these likewise are referring to contexts where it is speaking of: "before other men / in the presence of people" (etc)



Philippians 1:19
For I know that this shall turn to my salvation through your prayer, and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus Christ,


Philippians 1:28
And in nothing terrified by your adversaries: which is to them an evident token of perdition, but to you of salvation, and that of God.


Philippians 2:12
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

I've read your posting twice. Thank you for your input. I did not read the link because I can't argue with a link. I like to hear what you think, and in turn, you will hear what I think. It is true that the whole Book has a flavor, which cannot be denied. But the specifics also cannot be denied. For instance in your proffered verses, different salvations are addressed. Just the same as acar seatbelt saves you a different way to a sudden upswing in your business that saves you from bankruptcy. So, in;

• Philippians 1:19 Paul, already saved by his faith, faces Caesar as he was charged. The prayers of the saints MIGHT "save" him from being put to death
• Philippians 1:28 the salvation is "perdition" - or the end of God's enemies. Not fearing your enemies is explained in Mathew 10:28 where the Lord says that they might kill the Body, but God can kill BOTH body AND SOUL in Gehenna. Gehenna is used to describe th Lake of Fire
• Philippians 2:12 has to do with the process of a corrupt human character being made fit to be Christ's companion. That is, to be saved from your old self. The next verse displays the end result - that you would be like Christ Who (i) only did what the Father asked and motivated Him to do, and (ii) how to discern it.

I'm sure you'll agree that these three salvations are salvations from different things.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

Not sure this is relevant to the topic ,but i do not believe he died as " an offer to pay for our sins " . He actually died for sins ..
1 John 2:2

“And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.”

Now if you say this isn't talking about literally the whole world. If John did mean literally the whole world how should he have said it ?

1 John 2:2, The word "world" according to Thayer's definition; Any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort. The Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Rom 11:12 etc). Used of believers only, John 1:29, 3:16, 3:17, 6:33, 12:47, 1 Cor 4:9, 2 Cor 5:10.

But also for the sins of the whole world of mankind

1 John 2:15, Love not the world (the ungodly multitude), neither the things that are in the world.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

What is better news is that Jesus died for everyone ? That is better news than you have .

The news that you have is that God does not accomplish his will, and that is bad news. Dan 4:35.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

" You have salvation . You are saved. Now go to work ,selflessly to further the gospel . " Let your salvation be the cause for others .

If you believe, and understand spiritual things, praise God, you have been born again, and heaven is your home. You were once, but an ungenerate, natural person, that did not discern the things of the Spirit, and thought them to be foolishness, until God, while you were yet spiritually dead, quickened you to a spiritual life, by putting his Holy Spirit within you, and exchanging your heart of stone to a fleshy heart that can be pricked to feel guilt.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not the truth.

The DARKNESS IS SIN, WALKING IN DARKNESS IS SINNING,
And when god's light show us the truth tait sin, WE are to repemt AND COME TO THE LIGHT, WHICH MEANS WE ARE TO STOP< DOING THAT SIN, AND WALK IN THAT light that GOD has showed US, TO keep doing that SIN, IS WALKING IN DARKNESS.

Yes, that is what I am saying; When the regenerated child of God commits a sin, he should repent. This does not mean that he will not sin again, and have to repent again, each time he commits a sin, he has to repent, not in order to get eternal life, because he already has that, but to get back into a good relationship with God.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

You had me there .... for a few seconds. I think that the majority of Reformers on this Website (and the others like it), are ready to die in battle like Zwingli for salvation by faith and not works. But if they only considered all the Bible, their doctrine would not be endangered, and they would be able to explain (and put into practice) those scriptures where WORKS are required.

Go well bro.

Works are required, if you want to keep a good relationship with your God, and only those that God has quickened to a spiritual life will perform good works, with sincerity, but works are not required to have eternal life. God quickens them while they are yet spiritually dead. and do not good works.

 

[ForestGreenCook]

I've read your posting twice. Thank you for your input. I did not read the link because I can't argue with a link. I like to hear what you think, and in turn, you will hear what I think. It is true that the whole Book has a flavor, which cannot be denied. But the specifics also cannot be denied. For instance in your proffered verses, different salvations are addressed. Just the same as acar seatbelt saves you a different way to a sudden upswing in your business that saves you from bankruptcy. So, in;

• Philippians 1:19 Paul, already saved by his faith, faces Caesar as he was charged. The prayers of the saints MIGHT "save" him from being put to death
• Philippians 1:28 the salvation is "perdition" - or the end of God's enemies. Not fearing your enemies is explained in Mathew 10:28 where the Lord says that they might kill the Body, but God can kill BOTH body AND SOUL in Gehenna. Gehenna is used to describe th Lake of Fire
• Philippians 2:12 has to do with the process of a corrupt human character being made fit to be Christ's companion. That is, to be saved from your old self. The next verse displays the end result - that you would be like Christ Who (i) only did what the Father asked and motivated Him to do, and (ii) how to discern it.

I'm sure you'll agree that these three salvations are salvations from different things.

Even if he does not, I do. Salvation is a deliverance, and we are delivered eternally, and also, we are delivered from things as we sojourn here in this world. The mistake that too many of God's regenerated children make is their thinking that all salvation scriptures pertain to eternal salvation. With this type of thinking, the scriptures tend to falsely teach eternal salvation by works.

 

[throughfaith]

1 John 2:2, The word "world" according to Thayer's definition; Any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort. The Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Rom 11:12 etc). Used of believers only, John 1:29, 3:16, 3:17, 6:33, 12:47, 1 Cor 4:9, 2 Cor 5:10.

But also for the sins of the whole world of mankind

1 John 2:15, Love not the world (the ungodly multitude), neither the things that are in the world.

These translators are really messing with our minds aren't they ? We need to keep translating the translations.

 

[throughfaith]

1 John 2:2, The word "world" according to Thayer's definition; Any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort. The Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Rom 11:12 etc). Used of believers only, John 1:29, 3:16, 3:17, 6:33, 12:47, 1 Cor 4:9, 2 Cor 5:10.

But also for the sins of the whole world of mankind

1 John 2:15, Love not the world (the ungodly multitude), neither the things that are in the world.

What should it say if it literally meant the whole world ?

 

[throughfaith]

The news that you have is that God does not accomplish his will, and that is bad news. Dan 4:35.

He does if what i believe is his will .

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

I've read your posting twice. Thank you for your input. I did not read the link because I can't argue with a link.

I'll quote just the part I was pointing out (even if just for the sake of the readers who may care to read it further--it is not too much longer than this small portion):

[quoting from link]

Robert Anderson - Forgotten Truths Appendix 4: Philippians 3:8-14 (ochristian.com)

Ephesians and Colossians, be it remembered, were written at the same period of his ministry as Philippians; and in the light of these Scriptures we can read this chapter aright. To "win Christ" (ver. 8), or to apprehend, or lay hold of, that for which he had been laid hold of, or apprehended (ver. 12); or in other words, to realize practically in his life on earth what was true of him doctrinally as to his standing before God in heaven -- this is what he was reaching toward, and what, he says, he had not "already attained."

The "high calling" of ver. 14 is interpreted by some to mean Christ's calling up His own to meet Him in the air (a blessing assured to all "who are alive and remain unto the Coming of the Lord"); but this is not in keeping with the plain words -- God's high calling in Christ Jesus, i.e. what God has called us (made us) to be in Christ. [that is, IN THE HERE AND NOW]

If this passage refers to the literal resurrection, then the words "not as though I had already attained must mean that, while here on earth, and before the Lord's Coming, the Apostle hoped either to undergo the change of ver. 21, or else to win some sort of saintship diploma, or certificate, to ensure his being raised at the Coming. These alternatives are inexorable; and they only need to be stated to ensure their rejection.

One word more. If the Apostle Paul, after such a life of saintship and service, was in doubt as to his part in the resurrection, no one of us, unless he be the proudest of Pharisees or the blindest of fools, will dream of attaining it. In fact we shall dismiss the subject from our minds.

[end quoting; bracketed note mine; bold and underline mine; parentheses original]

For instance in your proffered verses, different salvations are addressed. Just the same as acar seatbelt saves you a different way to a sudden upswing in your business that saves you from bankruptcy. So, in;

• Philippians 1:19 Paul, already saved by his faith, faces Caesar as he was charged. The prayers of the saints MIGHT "save" him from being put to death
• Philippians 1:28 the salvation is "perdition" - or the end of God's enemies. Not fearing your enemies is explained in Mathew 10:28 where the Lord says that they might kill the Body, but God can kill BOTH body AND SOUL in Gehenna. Gehenna is used to describe th Lake of Fire
• Philippians 2:12 has to do with the process of a corrupt human character being made fit to be Christ's companion. That is, to be saved from your old self. The next verse displays the end result - that you would be like Christ Who (i) only did what the Father asked and motivated Him to do, and (ii) how to discern it.

I'm sure you'll agree that these three salvations are salvations from different things.

I do not think we disagree on this point... in fact, this is what I was pointing out (and especially that "work-out your own salvation" [they did not need Paul present with them, and though they were in "fearful" circumstances due to his imprisonment], Paul is exhorting them to "DO IT AFRAID, if you must! [ ]," [note again 1:14, said of others] in the salvation they possess presently--and no, I am not suggesting one can "lose or forfeit" salvation, just to be clear. )

 

[ForestGreenCook]

He does if what i believe is his will .

Do you believe that it is his will that all mankind should be saved eternally?

 

[Corban]

Works are required, if you want to keep a good relationship with your God, and only those that God has quickened to a spiritual life will perform good works, with sincerity, but works are not required to have eternal life. God quickens them while they are yet spiritually dead. and do not good works.

I'll agree in the main points.

 

[Corban]

Even if he does not, I do. Salvation is a deliverance, and we are delivered eternally, and also, we are delivered from things as we sojourn here in this world. The mistake that too many of God's regenerated children make is their thinking that all salvation scriptures pertain to eternal salvation. With this type of thinking, the scriptures tend to falsely teach eternal salvation by works.

I fully agree.