Works righteousness.

[bud62]

Are you not being presumptious according to your worldview / theology? You could fall away tomorrow. Or next week , maybe next year .What scripture do you point to that says you will be saved?It doesn't sound like your saved now ?

GOD tells us to prey for a brother if we see him fall, THAT it COULD be us, SO all I can do is fight A good fight, like Paul, Paul 4:7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished [my] course, I have kept the faith:
4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
EVEN Paul TELLS us here that he didn't know that he had salvation till he was fixing to die for the LORD, then he says Henceforth, This tells us that it was from when he was fixing to DIE, not back when he first started

 

[throughfaith]

GOD tells us to prey for a brother if we see him fall, THAT it COULD be us, SO all I can do is fight A good fight, like Paul, Paul 4:7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished [my] course, I have kept the faith:
4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
EVEN Paul TELLS us here that he didn't know that he had salvation till he was fixing to die for the LORD, then he says Henceforth, This tells us that it was from when he was fixing to DIE, not back when he first started

Reward not salvation.

 

[Blik]

Then your teaching works salvation, surely ? It sounds like you believe Jesus just affords people a ' start ' , or an opportunity to be saved ,but you have to do your part ? With the softener of " well your given all things you need to make It "

It is not true that anytime anyone speaks of works as what they do after they are saved, that you should be flaunted with this idea that works are for salvation only. It is like telling the Lord He has no right to ask you to not sin.

 

[throughfaith]

It is not true that anytime anyone speaks of works as what they do after they are saved, that you should be flaunted with this idea that works are for salvation only. It is like telling the Lord He has no right to ask you to not sin.

No one is advocating sinning . This is about Jesus and what HE has done. The scriptures are saying DO because Jesus has DONE .

 

[throughfaith]

It is not true that anytime anyone speaks of works as what they do after they are saved, that you should be flaunted with this idea that works are for salvation only. It is like telling the Lord He has no right to ask you to not sin.

Many have fallen for religion . The idea that Jesus has really just enabled a way for us ,a start or possibility . Of course it is taught more subtle than this. But the framework is essentially that . Jesus has really just come to show us how its done , he's given us the starting piece but its up to us to go the rest.

 

[Blik]

So Jesus endured to save us so that we must endure to save ourselves?

Are you saying that because Christ saves us from our sin, and makes us perfect through forgiveness that we should use it as a reason to wallow in sin? I think it is a rotten reason to work to sin. Paul said to those who have that idea "God forbid".

 

[Blik]

Many have fallen for religion . The idea that Jesus has really just enabled a way for us ,a start or possibility . Of course it is taught more subtle than this. But the framework is essentially that . Jesus has really just come to show us how its done , he's given us the starting piece but its up to us to go the rest.

If Jesus pays for our sins, if Jesus was the first fruits, the first to be saved after living as a human, and Jesus did the work for us, why would you say it is up to us to do the work?

Jesus does this for us, it is done. What is up to us to to want it done, to want to live as Jesus has worked so we can, Jesus gave us righteousness. We didn't work for that righteousness, it is a free gift.

 

[Blik]

No one is advocating sinning . This is about Jesus and what HE has done. The scriptures are saying DO because Jesus has DONE .

If no one is advocating sinning, then why the taunts of "are you perfect?" if they mention trying not to sin? Why ask them if they are working for salvation when they know that is not why they work for the Lord? The only purpose I can see for these taunts is to advocate sinning. Certainly they are not to encourage people to try to not sin.

 

[throughfaith]

If Jesus pays for our sins, if Jesus was the first fruits, the first to be saved after living as a human, and Jesus did the work for us, why would you say it is up to us to do the work?

Jesus does this for us, it is done. What is up to us to to want it done, to want to live as Jesus has worked so we can, Jesus gave us righteousness. We didn't work for that righteousness, it is a free gift.

I'm saying this is what some believe, not what i believe . Salvation is something complete . A person is truly saved not partially saved ,after believing the Gospel.

 

[throughfaith]

If no one is advocating sinning, then why the taunts of "are you perfect?" if they mention trying not to sin? Why ask them if they are working for salvation when they know that is not why they work for the Lord? The only purpose I can see for these taunts is to advocate sinning. Certainly they are not to encourage people to try to not sin.

I think people say that to show the problem of the position of works righteousness. Working for the Lord is a good thing of course . Working for salvation is the error . Or working to keep salvation is false teaching . Not the ' working ' , but the teaching . In Paul's letters were encouraged to work for the furtherance of the Gospel. And we are to look to Jesus, s example of how he served others . Even in the face of suffering we are to press on . All this as Jesus demonstrated was selflessness. Not selfishness. Those that teach loss of Salvation unwittingly are promoting selfishness. If your trying to be saved by your works and to stay saved by your works . This completely contradicts the point of the whole example Jesus gave. We are not to focus on ourselves but others . You cannot do this by fearing your own loss ect . Selflessness comes from Jesus and what he secured for us . Selfishness comes from self focusing.

 

[bud62]

Reward not salvation.

WHO MADE you GOD AND the JUDGE

 

[mailmandan]

Salvation is something complete. A person is truly saved not partially saved after believing the Gospel.

Amen! Christ's finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. (1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Romans 1:16; 3:24-28)
No supplements needed.

 

[mailmandan]

YESUAH SAVES US FROM THE SINS that we have committed against GOD's commandments, SO we can keep GOD's commandments, AND stay clean, And if I do mass up and sin, I have advocate that I can go to, that he may stand in my place AGAIN

How do you define "keep" God's commandments? Is it the blood of Christ that cleanses us from our sins (Ephesians 1:7; 1 John 1:7) or is it our best efforts to keep God's commandments? Do you consider "messing up and sinning" as keeping God's commandments?

Is salvation to you just a revolving door of maintaining salvation by keeping God's commandments then losing salvation when you sin and regaining salvation all over again when you repent and get back to keeping God's commandments? What kind of gospel is that?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

WHO MADE you GOD AND the JUDGE

Wh made you God and judge?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Amen! Christ's finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. (1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Romans 1:16; 3:24-28)
No supplements needed.

Amen

he who began a good work WILL (not might) complete it

it is not us saving ourselves.it is God perfecting the work of salvation in us,

to many people want to take credit, God will not share credit with anyone.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How do you define "keep" God's commandments? Is it the blood of Christ that cleanses us from our sins (Ephesians 1:7; 1 John 1:7) or is it our best efforts to keep God's commandments? Do you consider "messing up and sinning" as keeping God's commandments?

Is salvation to you just a revolving door of maintaining salvation by keeping God's commandments then losing salvation when you sin and regaining salvation all over again when you repent and get back to keeping God's commandments? What kind of gospel is that?

But he is not working to earn or maintain salvation is he?

 

[bud62]

Amen! Christ's finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. (1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Romans 1:16; 3:24-28)
No supplements needed.

2 PETER 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2 PETER 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
they where lost before the holy commandment delivered unto them. and it's going to be worse for them, means that they will suffer more for falling away. and walking over YESUAH and on GOD's laws'
worse for them is not being saved.
2 PETER 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. THE ONLY WAY THAT THE SOW could have got washed is by the blood ,

THIS is A brother that has fallen, it tells us.
James
5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
HE that endure till the end, YESUAH SAY.

A fallen brother
Matthew 24:47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
24:48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
24:49 And shall begin to smite [his] fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for [him], and in an hour that he is not aware of,
24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint [him] his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
there are many many many scripture that show us if we fall we will be lost,

Ezekiel 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, [and] doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked [man] doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

THIS WAY OF THINKING WILL CAUSE MANY MANY MANY TO BE LOST

 

[bud62]

Wh made you God and judge?

The thing is that when we CHOOSE TO SIN, we choose to be lost in SIN'
Ezekiel 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, [and] doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked [man] doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

2 PETER 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2 PETER 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
they where lost before the holy commandment delivered unto them. and it's going to be worse for them, means that they will suffer more for falling away. and walking over YESUAH and on GOD's laws'
worse for them is not being saved.
2 PETER 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. THE ONLY WAY THAT THE SOW could have got washed is by the blood ,

THIS is A brother that has fallen, it tells us.
James
5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
5:20 Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
HE that endure till the end, YESUAH SAY.

A fallen brother
Matthew 24:47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
24:48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
24:49 And shall begin to smite [his] fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for [him], and in an hour that he is not aware of,
24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint [him] his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
there are many many many scripture that show us if we fall we will be lost,

Ezekiel 18:24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, [and] doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked [man] doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

THIS WAY OF THINKING WILL CAUSE MANY MANY MANY TO BE LOST

The thought that man can earn salvation will lead many to be lost

because instead of faith in christ

their faith turns to their deeds, and when they get to heaven, they try to hand god all these works they did, and Jesus reply will be depart, for I never knew you

 

[bud62]

How do you define "keep" God's commandments? Is it the blood of Christ that cleanses us from our sins (Ephesians 1:7; 1 John 1:7) or is it our best efforts to keep God's commandments? Do you consider "messing up and sinning" as keeping God's commandments?

Is salvation to you just a revolving door of maintaining salvation by keeping God's commandments then losing salvation when you sin and regaining salvation all over again when you repent and get back to keeping God's commandments? What kind of gospel is that?

YES IT is the BLOOD of YESUAH that cleanses US, BUT keeping GOD's COMMANDMENTS, KEEP US CLEAN, after YESUAH CLEANS US,