Works righteousness.

[Duskey]

You are miss under standing GOD Grace,
GOD grace is to for give me the sins that I have Committed And clean me of my past sins that I have the death sentence for for the that I have already And deserve to die for, But dies my place for those sins,
YESUAH grace is not giving me the right to keep braking HIS LAWS, but to repent and give up, My committing sins and turn away from sinning,
As The WORD OF GOD tells us in this verse,
3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
If JESUS cleans you of your sin, then you go right back out and sin, then you will need cleansed AGAIN, because you would have sinned after you was clean, But by his grace he DID clean us , but it is our fault that we sinned And are unclean again, this is not hard to understand,
3:25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
2 Peter 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam [the son] of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
2:16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man's voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
2:17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
2:18 For when they speak great swelling [words] of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, [through much] wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
If you read this and don't see the truth about going back out in sin , it is because you don't want to know the truth, And I believe that THOSE that don't really want to know the truth about sinning after they come to JESUS to get clean of their past sins, will be lost for not wanting the true knowledge for sin after getting clean, The BIBLE says ,
Romans 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

I almost got into a fight 15 minutes ago but thankfully it didn’t come down to that. If it did, would I have lost my salvation?

 

[bud62]

I almost got into a fight 15 minutes ago but thankfully it didn’t come down to that. If it did, would I have lost my salvation?

The BIBLE says to lay our heads on no man suddenly,
We can repent of sins up to our death, I will not say we will make it in if we do that, The BIBLE says today is the day of Salvation, We are that we should start young

 

[tribesman]

Sadly some Christian believe he can do what ever he want, like murder, stealing etc and still save because salvation not by work.

Those who teach so are of course wrong. However it does not mean that a person is righteous before God just because he is not outwardly murder or stealing. If we just see the Bible as a set of rules of do:s and don't:s about outward things we might end up with nothing else than a mere moralistic philosophy where faith means really nothing. Or we'd get focused on nothing but ourselves and our own works.

Yes not by work, but bear fruit of good and loving work

But to think of salvation as something that just gets you a little bit better at law-keeping is not really what it is about. Bearing fruit meaning first of all giving glory to God alone in all things, not focusing on ones own performance.

I see a big difference between a shallow mere outward christianity and one that really works a change in the believer. It's the latter of which James writes. It's not about mere moral and do:s and don't:s, the gentiles and the false prophets can easily counterfeit these.

 

[tribesman]

I almost got into a fight 15 minutes ago but thankfully it didn’t come down to that. If it did, would I have lost my salvation?

This discussion have derailed, if you ask me.

 

[Blik]

It seems a shame to me, what people think about works. There is a truth in the Lord that when God gives us salvation it means that we are freed from sin, clean, uncontaminated by sin so we can live eternally with Him.

Adam and Eve had no knowledge of sin before the fall, they were living in the garden of Eden with the Lord. When to knew sin they could live there no longer because they brought sin in with them, and we inherit from Adam and Eve. God gave a way of getting rid of that sin in us, it is through blood, God gave Christ whose human blood that was sinless is a way for us to have our sins wiped out. Those sins were not wiped out then or now through Adam and Eve suddenly not knowing sin any longer, they were wiped out by Christ.

Why would anyone think that fact has anything to do with our need to repent and not want sin in our life any longer? We call keeping away from sin best we can "works". So there is a chant "works won't save". But a refusal to work will kill.

God doesn't even hear people who desire sin, or refuse to "work" against it. John 9:31 We know that God does not listen to the prayers of sinners, but if anyone worships God and does His will, God listens to him.

 

[tribesman]

...Why would anyone think that fact has anything to do with our need to repent and not want sin in our life any longer? We call keeping away from sin best we can "works". So there is a chant "works won't save". But a refusal to work will kill.

What work and how much work do you need to do in order to have assurance? You set your hope to your own works and your own keeping away from and avoiding sin? And sin are merely outwards things only?

I mean to say that focusing on not to sin will lead to looking unto the law and soon the falls into sin comes, whether outwardly or inwardly. Where one should only look here is to the gospel, which is the only way to truly lay aside sin. The focus should never be me and my work, but to give the glory to God.

.God doesn't even hear people who desire sin, or refuse to "work" against it. John 9:31 We know that God does not listen to the prayers of sinners, but if anyone worships God and does His will, God listens to him.

THAT is another thing entirely. There is a huge difference between the sins of the unbelievers and the sins of christians. Christians who want to take out sin of their lives do have that desire, while the worldlings do not. They are comfortable in sin. Let's not however go the way of the self-deluded and self-righteous professor who think himself as above others and thinking he has no sin, when he has it.

This is a murky landscape with the typical traps of pride, "holier than thou", false accusations and false witness against the neighbor, which is all sin by the way. This needs to be approached in a humble way so that no sin is justified and also no false concept of sin is accepted. Both are delusions. Better to abide with what John wrote in his 1st epistle, chapters 1 & 2.

 

[tribesman]

Antinomianism is error, so is sinless perfection. I'll leave it at that.

 

[Blik]

What work and how much work do you need to do in order to have assurance? You set your hope to your own works and your own keeping away from and avoiding sin? And sin are merely outwards things only?

I mean to say that focusing on not to sin will lead to looking unto the law and soon the falls into sin comes, whether outwardly or inwardly. Where one should only look here is to the gospel, which is the only way to truly lay aside sin. The focus should never be me and my work, but to give the glory to God.

THAT is another thing entirely. There is a huge difference between the sins of the unbelievers and the sins of christians. Christians who want to take out sin of their lives do have that desire, while the worldlings do not. They are comfortable in sin. Let's not however go the way of the self-deluded and self-righteous professor who think himself as above others and thinking he has no sin, when he has it.

This is a murky landscape with the typical traps of pride, "holier than thou", false accusations and false witness against the neighbor, which is all sin by the way. This needs to be approached in a humble way so that no sin is justified and also no false concept of sin is accepted. Both are delusions. Better to abide with what John wrote in his 1st epistle, chapters 1 & 2.

You are thinking in an entirely different way than I am. The unsaved is interested in not sinning because he knows it leads to a more satifying life, a Christian focuses on not sinning because God made him forgiven and perfect and he would prefer to stay that way. Living eternally with the Lord requires this. A Christian knows he can't stay perfect, but the Lord gave him an answer for that, also, The Lord says to stay in an attitude of repentance.

Because a Christian is a saved person through Christ, he looks to the law to show him how to walk with the Lord. It tells him what the Lord wants him to avoid and to do. There is no danger or delusion to this, it is following the Lord. There is danger and delision in following the darkness that God can not be a part of. The Lord tells us He cannot have fellowship with us if we walk in darkness. We study the light and work to keep within it, and not go into the land of darkness the law describles.

 

[Blik]

What work and how much work do you need to do in order to have assurance? You set your hope to your own works and your own keeping away from and avoiding sin? And sin are merely outwards things only?

I mean to say that focusing on not to sin will lead to looking unto the law and soon the falls into sin comes, whether outwardly or inwardly. Where one should only look here is to the gospel, which is the only way to truly lay aside sin. The focus should never be me and my work, but to give the glory to God.

THAT is another thing entirely. There is a huge difference between the sins of the unbelievers and the sins of christians. Christians who want to take out sin of their lives do have that desire, while the worldlings do not. They are comfortable in sin. Let's not however go the way of the self-deluded and self-righteous professor who think himself as above others and thinking he has no sin, when he has it.

This is a murky landscape with the typical traps of pride, "holier than thou", false accusations and false witness against the neighbor, which is all sin by the way. This needs to be approached in a humble way so that no sin is justified and also no false concept of sin is accepted. Both are delusions. Better to abide with what John wrote in his 1st epistle, chapters 1 & 2.

Why and how can you read my post and come up with "you set your hopes on your own work"? Do you see in this post anything to say works save? I work because I am saved, my hope is in Christ. Only Christ saves, there is no other way, Christ is our only hope.

But I am reading in your post that we are not to work, and that is against what scripture tells us as my post is showing, altho I didn't finish your post, only as far as seeing it doesn't match my post or scripture.

 

[tribesman]

You are thinking in an entirely different way than I am. The unsaved is interested in not sinning because he knows it leads to a more satifying life, a Christian focuses on not sinning because God made him forgiven and perfect and he would prefer to stay that way. Living eternally with the Lord requires this. A Christian knows he can't stay perfect, but the Lord gave him an answer for that, also, The Lord says to stay in an attitude of repentance.

To the bold: All requirements for a believers salvation are already fulfilled in the person and work of Jesus Christ alone. And, yes, this is the gospel and this is what motivates a christian to lead a holy life and put away sin.

Because a Christian is a saved person through Christ, he looks to the law to show him how to walk with the Lord. It tells him what the Lord wants him to avoid and to do. There is no danger or delusion to this, it is following the Lord. There is danger and delision in following the darkness that God can not be a part of. The Lord tells us He cannot have fellowship with us if we walk in darkness. We study the light and work to keep within it, and not go into the land of darkness the law describles.

Should not a christian already know what the law says? Is the not the law a schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ? Is not the law written on a christian's heart? All three are positive. So, out of gratitude for what the Lord has done for us we strive to keep the law. Law-looking can be delusive if you give the law the function that only the gospel has. Because of the risk of ending up with focusing on self, always thinking "avoid sin, avoid sin, avoid sin"....until the fall into that sin comes. The problem, of course, is man, not God's law.

So the law does instruct us what to do and not to do, but the law alone will not enable us to positively act on it.

Yes, we think different.

 

[tribesman]

But I am reading in your post that we are not to work, and that is against what scripture tells us as my post is showing, altho I didn't finish your post, only as far as seeing it doesn't match my post or scripture.

I did not say we are not to work. I was talking about what motivates us to work and whom to look for as for our hope. OK? Or are you yet one of these people who rant against sin yet bear false witness against your neighbor?

 

[JaumeJ]

We ask our Maker for His grace to be enabled to execute His work to His glory Again, we do not invent a work to do, we pray to be graced by the Father with tasks, and then only if He works it through us as willing vessels.

 

[tribesman]

We ask our Maker for His grace to be enabled to execute His work to His glory Again, we do not invent a work to do, we pray to be graced by the Father with tasks, and then only if He works it through us as willing vessels.

Yes, it is through grace that we are enabled to be law-keepers. Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith (Heb.12:2). Not looking unto self.

 

[Corban]

You didn’t answer my question nor are you looking at salvation correctly. If you believe Jesus‘s sinless life, death and resurrection were not complete fulfillment to God on our behalf then you are worshiping an incorrect god. Jesus conquered death; your god didn’t.

I did not answer your question because it very personal. What I am enduring was never part of the posting. I posted a number of scriptures that contained the word salvation, but WITHOUT COMMENT. You have attributed to me an incorrect understanding of salvation without me posting a single sentence on my view. You were unable to explain the "salvations" that the Holy Spirit wrote. You maintain now that these scriptures are misleading. Those scriptures come from the Bible - not me. It is up to you to ADMIT them and RECONCILE them.

But I won't hold my breath.

 

[mailmandan]

It was not just circumcision and sacrificial laws

Acts 15:5 But some believers from the party of the Pharisees stood up and declared, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to obey the law of Moses.” 6 So the apostles and elders met to look into this matter.

7 After much discussion, Peter got up and said to them, “Brothers, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you that the Gentiles would hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 And God, who knows the heart, showed His approval by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as He did to us. 9 He made no distinction between us and them, for He cleansed their hearts by faith.

10 Now then, why do you test God by placing on the necks of the disciples a yoke that neither we nor our fathers have been able to bear? 11 On the contrary, we believe it is through the grace of the Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

Amen! We are not fooled by SDA propaganda.

Colossians 2:14 - Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.

Ephesians 2:15 - Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.

2 Corinthians 3:6 - who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.

 

[bud62]

I almost got into a fight 15 minutes ago but thankfully it didn’t come down to that. If it did, would I have lost my salvation?

5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee. What is worse then being lost,

 

[bud62]

Amen! We are not fooled by SDA propaganda.

Colossians 2:14 - Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.

Ephesians 2:15 - Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.

2 Corinthians 3:6 - who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. 7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away, 8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9 For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory.

The PRIEST HOOD WAS CHANGED, now YESUAH is in the HEAVENLY SANCTUARY, applying HIS BLOOD to OUR sin that WE ask him to for give us of. And if you will Check you will see that every time they sinned they had to come back and get the HIGH PREIST TO COVER THEIR SINS, THE same to day, every time we sin, we haft to go to YESUAH and ask him to for give us, and blot that sin out all so, But YESUAH died once for sins, And has the BLOOD to blot OUR sins out if we ASK HIM when we sin, if we repent of it First. UNLESS we repent we will perish, YESUAH tells us that,

 

[Duskey]

The BIBLE says to lay our heads on no man suddenly,
We can repent of sins up to our death, I will not say we will make it in if we do that, The BIBLE says today is the day of Salvation, We are that we should start young

Actually I was just giving you a hypothetical. Your line of thinking is akin to what Martin Luther believed at one point in his life. He was fearful that he had to repent of every single sin. He agonized at the thought of forgetting one sin, hence he be doomed. Then upon searching the Scriptures he realized Jesus paid for our sins in full, and we are saved by grace through faith. I pray you come to that beautiful truth.

 

[Duskey]

This discussion have derailed, if you ask me.

My apologies.

 

[mailmandan]

The PRIEST HOOD WAS CHANGED, now YESUAH is in the HEAVENLY SANCTUARY, applying HIS BLOOD to OUR sin that WE ask him to for give us of. And if you will Check you will see that every time they sinned they had to come back and get the HIGH PREIST TO COVER THEIR SINS, THE same to day, every time we sin, we haft to go to YESUAH and ask him to for give us, and blot that sin out all so, But YESUAH died once for sins, And has the BLOOD to blot OUR sins out if we ASK HIM when we sin, if we repent of it First. UNLESS we repent we will perish, YESUAH tells us that,

In the context of Luke 13:3, Jesus challenged the people's notion that they were morally superior to those who suffered in such catastrophes. He called all to repent or perish. For some people though, prior to coming to the end result of repentance in receiving salvation (faith in Christ for salvation), they must change their minds about other specific things in order to get there. Repentance, metanoia, focuses on changing one's mind about his previous concept of God (as in Acts 17:30) and disbelief in God or false beliefs (polytheism and idolatry) about God (1 Thessalonians 1:9). On the other hand, this change of mind, focuses on the new direction that change of mind must ultimately take, namely, trusting in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. Acts 20:21 - testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.