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peldom10 said:
The Bible.....says...judge righteously.
Since you think I am judging wrongly...I am listening..... so?
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I am not judging you or think I am better than you is proper judgment of even people that judge me, it was a common practice by me towards others, I did explain how judging others was wrongly did, it teaching me to not judge others who like me I did, my writing is not the greatest but I try, the fact of wrongly judging is always returned to senders, thought alone even registers it like physically creating is worse approaches.

To think others are unworthy grace and mercy is a personal fact of how it's considered being great but only 99 can qualify by efforts, personally I believe 100 percent are unable to defeat it by flesh opinions.
 
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peldom10

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Say this again - i have to make sure my eyes and mind are seeing the same thing.
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Sure;

You cannot be a Jew and believe in Christ.
If you believe in Christ then you are a Christian Hebrew...not a Jew.
A Jew does not believe that Christ is the Messiah.
The Messiah is yet to come in their study.

Hope this is more clear.
 
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peldom10

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glen55 said:
I am not judging you or think I am better than you is proper judgment of even people that judge me, it was a common practice by me towards others, I did explain how judging others was wrongly did, it teaching me to not judge others who like me I did, my writing is not the greatest but I try, the fact of wrongly judging is always returned to senders, thought alone even registers it like physically creating is worse approaches.

To think others are unworthy grace and mercy is a personal fact of how it's considered being great but only 99 can qualify by efforts, personally I believe 100 percent are unable to defeat it by flesh opinions.
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Let me respond this way...the Bible teaches us to judge;....don't associate with fornicators, drunkards, liars, other sinful types. Therefore the Bible makes you Judge in that instance that you must decide.
But, it also teaches that we must...judge righteously.

That's God's word.
 
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peldom10 said:
Sure;

You cannot be a Jew and believe in Christ.
If you believe in Christ then you are a Christian Hebrew...not a Jew.
A Jew does not believe that Christ is the Messiah.
The Messiah is yet to come in their study.

Hope this is more clear.
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Very clear - thank you

Actually, the opposite is true.
When a Gentile receives the Messiah who came thru the prophesied Hebrew lineage of King David, that Gentile is adopted into the Covenant of Grace foretold by God to Abraham.

And the Scripture,
foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the Gospel to Abraham beforehand,
saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.”
Galatians 3:8

So the Great Blessing is that there is One House of Israel, the House of God, which is all who are saved by the Blood of Messiah - Yashua HaMoshiach.

For you are all sons of God through faith in Messiah Yashua. For as many of you as were baptized into Messiah have put on Messiah. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Messiah Yashua. And if you belong to Messiah, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Read Luke chapters 1 & 2 , Galatians and Romans

You'll be blessed.
 
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peldom10

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tourist said:
The sign on the cross said Jesus was king of the Jews.
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Under the OT...not the NT.....and it is a generic reference. Because at the time of Christ's death there were few Christian Hebrews to speak of.
DavidTree said:
Very clear - thank you

Actually, the opposite is true.
When a Gentile receives the Messiah who came thru the prophesied Hebrew lineage of King David, that Gentile is adopted into the Covenant of Grace foretold by God to Abraham.

And the Scripture,
foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the Gospel to Abraham beforehand,
saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.”
Galatians 3:8

So the Great Blessing is that there is One House of Israel, the House of God, which is all who are saved by the Blood of Messiah - Yashua HaMoshiach.

For you are all sons of God through faith in Messiah Yashua. For as many of you as were baptized into Messiah have put on Messiah. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Messiah Yashua. And if you belong to Messiah, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Read Luke chapters 1 & 2 , Galatians and Romans

You'll be blessed.
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Been there..done that...doesn't fit.
All will be judged by Christ and .......anyone who does not........ believe in Christ as the messiah...will be greatly surprised.
 
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ResidentAlien said:
Theoretically you may be right. God could pour out the gift of tongues at any time, but what passes for the genuine gift these days is far from it.
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I partially agree. I know there are many fakers out there, trying to fit in, trying to be important, trying to even be superior.
So yes, things that PASS for the genuine gift aren't true, because many are afraid to judge righteously because of ignorance, or walking in fear, or just don't know any better. So they stay silent, and the problem grows.
We have to remember, though: the Corinthian church was really messed up with the gifts, yet that didn't make the gifts then any less important or genuine.
The same thing is happening today, yet the gifts are still important, necessary, & genuine in those who fear the Lord and desire to serve Him.
Another thing to note: Satan has spirits that copy the gifts. Similar to how govts today spread disinformation through the media and the internet(which is also of Satan), the Devil spreads disinformation through copycat spirits to derail the church & put them to sleep.
Many on CC today don't have a clue when they speak against the gifts or mock those that have them that their witness seems to be true because they are quoting copycats who are "proving" these gifts are false.
Yep, falling for the Devil's schemes as well as fighting on his side.
 
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peldom10 said:
Let me respond this way...the Bible teaches us to judge;....don't associate with fornicators, drunkards, liars, other sinful types. Therefore the Bible makes you Judge in that instance that you must decide.
But, it also teaches that we must...judge righteously.

That's God's word.
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Well the judging anything is not what is even past not believing God even exist and God isn't in some men where God heals you when its time to for each man, some go to churches built with hands are great but still least like all great fleshes and blood do hoping, most think those sinner your needing to judging are no different than any sinner who will be woken at different times in life to train flesh thinking and think it's by one God needing sin to be judged.
Every man has one father and mother for being born, every birth is by one that's diverse from other ones good and evil is a school for spirits dark light, one Spirits ONE Father is not the same for other waking that teach diverse from inside man not outside man, we don't have the exactly same Father that will still judge sin, the only one in each man becomes every four Spirit functions, so I don't need to judge any sin so we will disagree.
 
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peldom10 said:
A jew cannot be for Jesus and be a Jew.
Your query is a catch 22.
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Have you forgotten the book of Hebrews was written to Jewish christians scattered abroad?
It's right there in 'da Book!
 
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A Jew is one who practices the Jewish religion, Judaism. This includes both converts and those who have been members of the Jewish religion since birth. A Jew is one who is a descendant of the ancient Israelite ethnic group, and therefore is a member of the Jewish people.
Members of the Jewish people who believe in Christ are known as Messianic Jews.
 
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peldom10 said:
A jew cannot be for Jesus and be a Jew.
Your query is a catch 22.
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I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings
salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.
 
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peldom10

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Edify said:
Have you forgotten the book of Hebrews was written to Jewish christians scattered abroad?
It's right there in 'da Book!
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I wish it was that easy.
I have not completed my study of how Hebrews fits in the OT and NT scenario. However I will share a comment from a study I am using
for what it is worth;

"I will comment on this book, the author I believe is the Apostle Paul, there are various reasons why I state this as truth, found in the writings are the doctrine of hope, this is a Pauline doctrine for the salvation of the soul and body, as in all other Pauline epistles on that subject. The one who wrote this book was Timothy 13:25 and the one who created the book had rule over Timothy, to send him to the churches 13:23 This book is a contrast between the Old Testament and the New Testament, the difference between the old covenant and the new covenant, and the difference between the priesthood of Levi and the Melchizedek priesthood ".
 
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peldom10

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Magenta said:
I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings
salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.
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Your comment has no bearing on the point in study.
 
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peldom10

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Edify said:
A Jew is one who practices the Jewish religion, Judaism. This includes both converts and those who have been members of the Jewish religion since birth. A Jew is one who is a descendant of the ancient Israelite ethnic group, and therefore is a member of the Jewish people.
Members of the Jewish people who believe in Christ are known as Messianic Jews.
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We are playing with words here. Yes...Messianic...a form of the word...Messiah.

Judaism, Jewish is a religion, ..in a biblical sense.
 
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peldom10

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Magenta said:
You said:
So was the gospel sent out to Jews fruitlessly?

How odd that Jesus would do that.

In fact, all of Jesus' first followers were Jews :)
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The term Jew is different in the OT than the NT. Christ was referred as a Jew. But, not in the biblical sense of a Jew who does not believe that He is the Messiah. If the same ...........Christ would not believe in Himself. That won't fit.
 
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peldom10 said:
The term Jew is different in the OT than the NT. Christ was referred as a Jew. But, not in the biblical sense of a Jew who does not believe that He is the Messiah. If the same ...........Christ would not believe in Himself. That won't fit.
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That makes little sense.
 
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Edify said:
A Jew is one who practices the Jewish religion, Judaism. This includes both converts and those who have been members of the Jewish religion since birth. A Jew is one who is a descendant of the ancient Israelite ethnic group, and therefore is a member of the Jewish people.
Members of the Jewish people who believe in Christ are known as Messianic Jews.
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A Jew is a descendant of the house of Judah, which consists of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and part of Levi.
An orthodox Jew practices Judaism.
 
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peldom10

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Oblio said:
A Jew is a descendant of the house of Judah, which consists of the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and part of Levi.
An orthodox Jew practices Judaism.
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Who is debating that? Not me.

There are 12 tribes .

I am not aware of a Jew who believes in Christ...do you know of any?

I know of Hebrews who believe in Christ...I am one.
 
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