Would you walk out of your church if a woman missionary came to pulpit to speak ?

[Footie03]

I would much rather listen to the woman with Understanding Preaching Scripures than a man who doesn't have understanding. Understanding of the Word is God given, who here has the brass to say that God doesn't give Understanding to a woman and therefore should not be in a position to Preach. Who cares about who Preaches the Word at any Assembly, women can Preach and Witness with anyone. I believe that no one can Preach who God does not wish to Preach and if someone is given Understanding it is for a purpose and that's not to sit on their hands in silence. At least that's my opinion. Biker Dave

 

[crossnote]

I think many people really misunderstand what Paul is forbidding in 1 Tim. 2. He really is not as clear here as he is when he address the same issue in 1Cor. 14. 34-34. Here, Paul is clearly defining the parameters of the prohibition which seem to be related to the public assembly of the Church where he charges women to learn in silence but, if they have any questions they are to ask their man - ἄνδρας, at home.

I do not find Paul restricting women from teaching even a man in a more private setting. Priscilla and Aquila (husband and wife) teaching Apollos together is a perfect example.

My take is that a woman isn't to teach a man unless under supervision of another man/men but a missionary presentation isn't teaching per se as it is a presentation of events on the mission field.
The prohibition by Paul is linked to Adam and Eve so it is far reaching...not just pulpits.

 

[oldhermit]

My take is that a woman isn't to teach a man unless under supervision of another man/men but a missionary presentation isn't teaching per se as it is a presentation of events on the mission field.
The prohibition by Paul is linked to Adam and Eve so it is far reaching...not just pulpits.

The conduct of the woman in 1 Tim. 2 is twofold - not the teach or to usurp authority over the man. This is not saying that a woman cannot teach. It is not even saying that a woman cannot have a measure of authority. In 1Cor. 14. 34-34, Paul connects this prohibition to the publicly assembly. Paul is saying that a woman cannot engage in these things in the public assembly. Her obligation here seems to be that of silence. This would then mean that whatever she speaks in this setting would be in violation. This would not seem to apply to her participation in singing because all are given the mandate to sing.

 

[jb]

Would all the male chauvinist please leave now! LOL

Let me be blunt, you people who would walk out need to grow up (spiritually) and stop acting like non speaking babes!

 

[BeanieD]

There are places in the Bible where there are women "pastors" , women who have led armies. So, as long as what is taught is wholly from scripture then what is the big deal. Woman is not to be over a man, but who knows that her "man" may be helping her, if there is no man in her life............ Pastors are servants in the respect that what they do is in Christ, and FOR our edification. What is wrong with that. I have never been to a church with a woman pastor, but if her teachings are truth I would stay.

 

[BeanieD]

Missionaries are giving testamony about what they are doing FOR the people, how God is changing lives, and,like most, give all the glory to God for his work through them.

 

[Angela53510]

Strong's Greek: 831. αὐθεντέω (authenteó) -- to govern, exercise authority

to govern, exercise authority

NASB Translation
exercise authority over (1).


αὐθεντέω, ἀυθέντω; (a Biblical and ecclesiastical word; from αὐθέντης contracted from αὐτοέντης, and this from αὐτός and ἔντεα arms (others, ἑντης, cf. Hesychius συνεντης συνεργός; cf. Lobeck, Technol., p. 121); hence,
a. according to earlier usage, one who with his own hand kills either others or himself. b. in later Greek writings one who does a thing himself the author" (τῆς πράξεως, Polybius 23, 14, 2, etc.); one who acts on his own authority, autocratic, equivalent to αὐτοκράτωρ an absolute master; cf. Lobeck ad Phryn., p. 120 (also as above; cf. Winers Grammar, § 2, 1 c.)); to govern one, exercise dominion over one: τινς, 1 Timothy 2:12.

You seem to be selecting a preferential definition. You're not very good with this whole greek thing.

Copying and pasting from a Strong's link probably isn't the best way to go either. Since KJV is used only for Strong's words and it is over 100 years old, the latest manuscripts and information on this word in OTHER sources are missing. (the only ones you can find since there is nothing to compare it with in the Bible)

Plus copy and pasting an internet source is probably a sign that you don't know much Greek.

Besides, I agree that domineering would be a good translation, because that is what the women were doing in Ephesus, having come from the worship of Artemis. Paul wanted them to be equal and in submission, just like the men were!

"submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ." Eph. 5:21

My issue is that the word "authority" is not a good or reliable translation. But of course, you would need access to a lot newer sources than the internet version of Strong's. I know before I learned Greek and Hebrew, I often would use Strong's and it was helpful.

But once you learn the language, you realize that Strong's is a good starting point, but not the best way of translating words, especially a hapax legomena like Authentein is.

As I said before, I was sick with a high temperature and was totally wrong in that very easy translation. Amazing how some people who call themselves Christian, are constantly unforgiving. Or maybe it just goes hand in hand with misogyny??

Jimmy, I pray when you grow up you will have a new understanding of the Bible and learn about good hermeneutics, which you do not have right now. Since salvation does not depend on what we believe about women's status in church or in the pulpit, it cannot be dogma, just doctrine. You are so dogmatic about this issue, I have to wonder why you have elevated a non-essential point to the status of something like say, the deity of Christ.

So please do study Greek and learn more. I always recommend an easy way is to study "Basics of Biblical Greek" by Bill Mounce. He has videos of each lesson, and a feedback forum. It would be nice to discuss the complexities of hapax legomena with someone who knew more than just Strong's.

 

[Novice]

I wouldn't have a problem with a female missionary giving her testimony. As long as she's not preaching (expounding on what the bible says we should do) I don't think she's in violation of I Timothy.

 

[oldhermit]

I wouldn't have a problem with a female missionary giving her testimony. As long as she's not preaching (expounding on what the bible says we should do) I don't think she's in violation of I Timothy.

The issue s not whether or not she is preaching it is whether or not she s speaking. In 1 Tim. 2, Paul does not qualify the type of speaking. In 1Cor. 14, Paul says that she is not even to ask questions.












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[Footie03]

So some of you profess to understand Geek do you? Lol I can guarantee you that you don't.

 

[oldhermit]

So some of you profess to understand Geek do you? Lol I can guarantee you that you don't.

Then perhaps you could grace us with the benefit of you experience in the language and point out our shortcomings.

 

[iamsoandso]

So some of you profess to understand Geek do you? Lol I can guarantee you that you don't.

in the top line the 5th letter over arithmos? or the first four letters of it? ,,,,tell us the other words,,,,,,

 

[Huckleberry]

So some of you profess to understand Geek do you? Lol I can guarantee you that you don't.

I'm expertly fluent in Geek.
It's that pesky Greek I don't understand.
I sure do love gyros, though.
Mmmm.

 

[Footie03]

It's not for the lack of trying, it's simply that several factors come into play. For instance, there is approximately a different village every four kilometers in just about every direction here in Greece, they are all ancient (ours is from the time of Homer) there are so many words that are extremely similar that it is difficult to figure out which direction the word may go. Greek words actually don't work so much only to make a statement as to also portray an idea. Further more, the word meanings and ideas change over the years and not just centuries. My wife and I travel from our village in Lafionas to Stypsi which is 4km away and it is difficult to understand what they are saying and much harder to find the deeper meaning. This has made it more difficult for us to understand the older texts to the point we must ponder alot and may still may get it wrong. I am sure you are aware of variances and hard to decipher passages. We live here, speak, read and write the language and constantly need advice and direction to what we are working on. So when I says the previous statement before it is not to insult anyone's intelligence, it's just a fact.

 

[iamsoandso]

It's not for the lack of trying, it's simply that several factors come into play. For instance, there is approximately a different village every four kilometers in just about every direction here in Greece, they are all ancient (ours is from the time of Homer) there are so many words that are extremely similar that it is difficult to figure out which direction the word may go. Greek words actually don't work so much only to make a statement as to also portray an idea. Further more, the word meanings and ideas change over the years and not just centuries. My wife and I travel from our village in Lafionas to Stypsi which is 4km away and it is difficult to understand what they are saying and much harder to find the deeper meaning. This has made it more difficult for us to understand the older texts to the point we must ponder alot and may still may get it wrong. I am sure you are aware of variances and hard to decipher passages. We live here, speak, read and write the language and constantly need advice and direction to what we are working on. So when I says the previous statement before it is not to insult anyone's intelligence, it's just a fact.

language does change over time,,i would have said in response to iamsoandso,,,"no the 4th letter over is where it begins",,,but who's counting?

 

[Footie03]

We were trying to read some ancient writings in Sparta and Cortinthos, the Erastus Stone to be more accurate in Corinthos. There is Ancient Greek (not Geek) writing that gives his political position. Some Scriptures say director of public works, others say city planner and there are other translations as well. They all portray the general idea but it's when the idea behind the words change that care must be taken.

 

[iamsoandso]

nope "Alexandrian type" Greek written around 200a.d. in Egypt,,,,,

 

[Huckleberry]

It's not for the lack of trying, it's simply that several factors come into play. For instance, there is approximately a different village every four kilometers in just about every direction here in Greece, they are all ancient (ours is from the time of Homer) there are so many words that are extremely similar that it is difficult to figure out which direction the word may go. Greek words actually don't work so much only to make a statement as to also portray an idea. Further more, the word meanings and ideas change over the years and not just centuries. My wife and I travel from our village in Lafionas to Stypsi which is 4km away and it is difficult to understand what they are saying and much harder to find the deeper meaning. This has made it more difficult for us to understand the older texts to the point we must ponder alot and may still may get it wrong. I am sure you are aware of variances and hard to decipher passages. We live here, speak, read and write the language and constantly need advice and direction to what we are working on. So when I says the previous statement before it is not to insult anyone's intelligence, it's just a fact.

Things I learned from a documentary on Greece:
1- Any word can be shown to have its root in Greek.
2- Greeks should educate non Greeks about being Greek.
3- Every ailment from psoriasis to poison ivy can be cured with Windex.

 

[iamsoandso]

in any event ,,,,i am a "kindee-garden student of Greek",,,but i do know what that says,so lets not occupy any more of the thread distracting it from the o.p.,,,,,

 

[jimmydiggs]

Would all the male chauvinist please leave now! LOL

Let me be blunt, you people who would walk out need to grow up (spiritually) and stop acting like non speaking babes!

[video=youtube;j5gUKEa_CgU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5gUKEa_CgU[/video]

A few people might appreciate that.