Yes or No to Gay marriage

[Depleted]

I have voted no...

On the political side of this question, does it really matter what the vote is where you live? Aren't you forced to accept the gay agenda anyway?

 

[Depleted]

In Australia we have all been posted a letter to vote yes or no to gay marriage.
It is causing a bit of friction but, but my question is, should a Bible believing Christian vote yes to Gay marriage or No.

We all know that God love everyone the same, but some churches are all for it and others are against.

BTW, we don't all know that. God was clear he didn't/doesn't love everyone, once more, love us the same.

 

[joefizz]

It is sad but some folks seem to really enjoy railing on others...

This is gonna sound bad and I am going to be called a slanderer here, but there really isn't any hope in having a honest discussion with some people because they are quick to belittle and cut you down.. keep in mind though, it's just joking when they do it, but don't say anything back or you are just over reacting and slandering them...

Yeah,I appreciate a laugh too but not when speaking of the bible,because God's word is to be respected.

 

[preacher4truth]

Yeah,I appreciate a laugh too but not when speaking of the bible,because God's word is to be respected.

So your slander just won't end, will it? Nowhere did I mock you nor have I disrespected God's Word. You need to chill with your false accusations.

 

[joefizz]

The above was serious.

how you see this I don't understand I can see this only as mocking and unserious because you answered my question with a question,I can't take an answer like that serious,I was asking for a rational,civil answer to the question,because I may know the answer but knowing of scriptural backing would be helpful to stand by that answer.

 

[preacher4truth]

how you see this I don't understand I can see this only as mocking and unserious because you answered my question with a question,I can't take an answer like that serious,I was asking for a rational,civil answer to the question,because I may know the answer but knowing of scriptural backing would be helpful to stand by that answer.

And you're still slandering. Like I should have known answering you with a question means to you I'm mocking you, and the Word and am not serious. You need to chill with your blatant insults son. They're uncalled for an unfounded.

 

[oyster67]

This is a tough one for me to an extent. Im struggling because my daughter lives a gay lifestyle. I know the Bible looks at it like this...if God doesn't find favor in the thought or lifestyle you lead, or anything we do...it's sin. One sin isn't greater than another. We are however not in a place to condemn others for their sins. God's got this too. My job as aher mother and a Christian is to love her unconditionally and pray for God to touch her life as He sees fit according to His will and purpose. If He loves the sinner, is it not also His will that I too love the sinner not the sin? We fight against iniquities and dark powers...so as far as voting I would say no.

Only God can break the power of addiction. You are doing good to keep loving her. Jesus gave his life because he loved sinners even while they were yet lost in their sins. The answer to the OP is easy for me, since I believe in the separation of church and state; I don't get involved in the politics of this world.

 

[joefizz]

So your slander just won't end, will it? Nowhere did I mock you nor have I disrespected God's Word. You need to chill with your false accusations.

I am not slandering you I am simply stating how your words seem to be,I know you to be smart and serious yet your posts seem mocking and condescending,I am sorry if I misinterpret your words,just how you are coming across to me.

 

[preacher4truth]

I am not slandering you I am simply stating how your words seem to be,I know you to be smart and serious yet your posts seem mocking and condescending,I am sorry if I misinterpret your words,just how you are coming across to me.

Slander means false accusations and you've made them. You've accused me of mocking you and God's Word and have joined in with another to facilitate that false notion. Don't be so quick to join in with other false accusers, they're only leading you down a road of discord and division out of personal hatred. I take offense that you've accused me of mocking God's Word and you. Neither are true.

 

[oyster67]

I haven't mocked you, you're just overly sensitive and pusillanimous in nature. I'm not even sure what your question was. When you get serious feel free to ask it.

"pusillanimous"?? That sounds very grotesque. I must look that one up in my handy-dandy dictionary

 

[1ofthem]

I am not slandering you I am simply stating how your words seem to be,I know you to be smart and serious yet your posts seem mocking and condescending,I am sorry if I misinterpret your words,just how you are coming across to me.

This is a good and honest post...and I really hope that you can work this out with him, but in my opinion the best way that you can do that is ignore him for right now. From my observation he will argue this out all day...Don't know if he really thinks he is in the right or just likes arguing, but whatever the case it's best not to even go there with him....

Oh and please don't even put a like on this post or anymore that I am getting ready to make to him because that will just fuel the matter for him. I would rather see you and him be able to settle this.

But he needs to hear the truth, and I'm getting ready to tell it, but like I said please just ignore it...I'm just tired of watching him do this same thing over and over again to so many good people.

Anyhow, God bless you

 

[Depleted]

I have been thinking about this double standard of mine the past few hours. And of course it is a bit personal. We have been given free will. And I guess I have got used to the gay right to marry in public offices. I can't interfere with was is already the law here. But it is true. It is mocking the creation and God's order for man and woman. I feel split between the law of man and the law of God here. I have to live in a fallen world, yet I am accountable to God's standard. How to solve with? Go with the flow or swim against the stream? I left the church of Norway because of that they now accept gay weddings in church. That's the double standard.

I see accepting the gays' right to marry, also opens up more problematic issues of gays' right to adopt a child, using surrogate mothers, right to fertilisation treatment. All of which I am totally against. But can we reverse the law? Can we force our standards to the fallen world?

Where do we choose our battlefield? To win souls for Christ? To preach the Gospel as in scripture. To show the world by action what love and rrighteousness are all about?

I do have an off-the-beaten-trail kind of opinion on this one, but it's directly related to American laws, so I'm not sure how it works in other countries.

Here, if two people shack up/"live together" for X number of years, it becomes a common law marriage. With that they get the rights of married people without the legal work/ceremony. If one is unable to make medical decisions because of being unconscious or mentally incapable, the right to make the decisions for that person can, and does, go to the other. Retirement packages go to "the widow/widower" if one dies. And, if they separate, they have to go through the same rigmarole as married couples to split the property. We even have "palimony," instead of alimony, for such cases.

Whereas, I do not support shacking up, since it is part of our laws already, this seems fair.

And, since this seems fair for heterosexual couples, it's also fair for homosexual couples.

My line in the sand is "sanctity of marriage." The only one who can sanctify marriage is God, and God isn't sanctifying homosexual marriage, (nor shacking up.) So, nope, no religious ceremony for homosexual couples. No expectation the church "should" or "must." Because, surely, the Church shouldn't and mustn't! Nor is it the states job to dictate what church should or shouldn't do.

Personal way of looking at this, so not necessarily what the Bible says. (Then again, I don't see where the Bible disagrees with this either. Kind of absents of subject matter on this one.)

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Romans 12:2

2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

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No.

 

[joefizz]

Slander means false accusations and you've made them. You've accused me of mocking you and God's Word and have joined in with another to facilitate that false notion. Don't be so quick to join in with other false accusers, they're only leading you down a road of discord and division out of personal hatred. I take offense that you've accused me of mocking God's Word and you. Neither are true.

then why won't you give a straight answer to my biblical question?
of does God view a man having two wives to be right or wrong,as well as did I get the wrong insinuation from the scripture I provided?
I only sought an answer to learn, your words just didn't seem serious so I kept asking and am still asking,I don't want a petty fight nor did I seek one,I was just asking a question hoping for an answer.

 

[1ofthem]

Slander means false accusations and you've made them. You've accused me of mocking you and God's Word and have joined in with another to facilitate that false notion. Don't be so quick to join in with other false accusers, they're only leading you down a road of discord and division out of personal hatred. I take offense that you've accused me of mocking God's Word and you. Neither are true.

Wow, I saw all that coming...I must be good...No wait I've just been around and saw the same thing done to a countless number of people on here.

I really am beginning to think that you don't know how conceited and offensive you come off to others, but I'm having a hard time seeing how anyone can be that blind to it.

I don't know if this taking a jab at someone and then calling them a slanderer for calling you out on it is what you really think is happening or if it's just some kind of game for you...If it is a game you can rest assured you ain't fooling anyone with it...If, however, you are really that blind to it then God help you.

Either way, I am earnestly praying for you that you will realize it and stop it because it is really sad to watch someone doing this to others...

 

[preacher4truth]

then why won't you give a straight answer to my biblical question.

You may have other things to address first. I see no need to answer anything when other things are just left hanging as per my last post.

 

[1ofthem]

You may have other things to address first. I see no need to answer anything when other things are just left hanging as per my last post.

Like what? You asked for a verse...He gave you one and then asked your opinion...so what was the problem there???

 

[joefizz]

You may have other things to address first. I see no need to answer anything when other things are just left hanging as per my last post.

Very well your words would have been appreciated since I know you to be well read in the bible and accurate in answering bible questions,I'll wait for an answer from someone else,God bless you and I hope to discuss with you in the future,both of us misinterpeted each other,hopefully in the future we can be more clear with eachother.

 

[Ugly]

I have been thinking about this double standard of mine the past few hours. And of course it is a bit personal. We have been given free will. And I guess I have got used to the gay right to marry in public offices. I can't interfere with was is already the law here. But it is true. It is mocking the creation and God's order for man and woman. I feel split between the law of man and the law of God here. I have to live in a fallen world, yet I am accountable to God's standard. How to solve with? Go with the flow or swim against the stream? I left the church of Norway because of that they now accept gay weddings in church. That's the double standard.

I see accepting the gays' right to marry, also opens up more problematic issues of gays' right to adopt a child, using surrogate mothers, right to fertilisation treatment. All of which I am totally against. But can we reverse the law? Can we force our standards to the fallen world?

Where do we choose our battlefield? To win souls for Christ? To preach the Gospel as in scripture. To show the world by action what love and rrighteousness are all about?

Yes, laws can be reversed.
And who said anything about forcing? Do we not have rights to voice our opinions? To vote for what we believe?
According to your logic any side that wins is "forcing their beliefs" on those that disagree. That's quite a victimization mindset.
If gay marriage is legalized in not being forced to do anything. And, really, most of this is more about getting legal rights to things such as insurance between spouses than a genuine concern for legal marriage. But that won't get people in your side. Make it about "love" and people will jump on board.

Besides, it's undeniable that every door that is opened is only moving in the direction of opening a door on another taboo subject further down the line.
Gay marriage was legalized in the US and following that not an increase in groups wanting to push for the legalization of other sorts of relationships. And then gender fluidity. And not designating bathrooms by gender. The door was opened and it invited a wave of immorality.
But we are supposed to sit by and do nothing because we don't have the right to a voice? I think not.

 

[toinena]

Yes, laws can be reversed.
And who said anything about forcing? Do we not have rights to voice our opinions? To vote for what we believe?
According to your logic any side that wins is "forcing their beliefs" on those that disagree. That's quite a victimization mindset.
If gay marriage is legalized in not being forced to do anything. And, really, most of this is more about getting legal rights to things such as insurance between spouses than a genuine concern for legal marriage. But that won't get people in your side. Make it about "love" and people will jump on board.

Besides, it's undeniable that every door that is opened is only moving in the direction of opening a door on another taboo subject further down the line.
Gay marriage was legalized in the US and following that not an increase in groups wanting to push for the legalization of other sorts of relationships. And then gender fluidity. And not designating bathrooms by gender. The door was opened and it invited a wave of immorality.
But we are supposed to sit by and do nothing because we don't have the right to a voice? I think not.

So... what do we do? What do you do? As you know, I have my personal battle where I stand firmly despite the heartache it causes. How do I meet my co-worker that is gay and married? With love and respect. If I can preach the truth, I will. But it is not aleays possible is it...