Yes or No to Gay marriage

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UnderGrace

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Yes I was puzzled too, then I realized there is no point even addressing it, sometimes best just to move on


It is sad but some folks seem to really enjoy railing on others...:(

This is gonna sound bad and I am going to be called a slanderer here, but there really isn't any hope in having a honest discussion with some people because they are quick to belittle and cut you down.. keep in mind though, it's just joking when they do it, but don't say anything back or you are just over reacting and slandering them...:confused:
 

mcubed

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NO!




(my message was to short with one exclamation point so I have to type more).....
 

Dan_473

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Yeah exactly why even have a ceremony of a "marriage" if you don't believe in what marriage entails,you can't believe in marriage and not abide by the beliefs that go with it,it's the same as putting on a show,just to look good.
right, what's in a word?

but in our society, we need someone like a 'spouse' to make decisions for, say, someone in a coma.

so, just call it a 'Life Partnership' or something.

I don't think too many people would object to that. After all, we don't mind if gays form a corporation.
 

TMS

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Not sure how this might change the laws in Australia if the yes vote wins, but i voted No. And i don't want the gay society to think God hates them but i can't stand the way some churches are misrepresenting God by saying God is love, and love means it doesn't matter what you are like in this light. Or saying Gods love is grater than everything else.
 
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If you seriously have to ask.....wow bro......God burned 4 cities of the plain to the ground and read Romans....pay particular attention to what it states about men with men working that which is unseemly....
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Not sure how this might change the laws in Australia if the yes vote wins, but i voted No. And i don't want the gay society to think God hates them but i can't stand the way some churches are misrepresenting God by saying God is love, and love means it doesn't matter what you are like in this light. Or saying Gods love is grater than everything else.
Glad you voted no......serious...and peace from the RIFF in NSW....here now
 
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I would vote yes for the same reason I wouldn't outlaw divorce. I don't want to live in a theocracy, and I don't any Christian would. If we make laws based on religion, who's to say one denomination isn't going to make laws that oppress the freedom of your own? Whether or not I believe in gay marriage personally isn't enough to decide whether it should be outlawed. Lawful marriage isn't the same as biblical marriage. And since laws are supposed to be based on secular reasoning, I would vote yes because I don't think gay marriage is harmful in a secular sense, even if it is clearly stated as sinful in the Bible. I don't think homosexuality is any greater a sin than any other and we don't outlaw every sin because we have to base our laws on a rational consideration of actions and their consequences. I think if I'm living in a country with members of many religions and with members of no religion, I have to consider the fact that gay marriage doesn't have any more harmful consequences than heterosexual marriage.
I don't want to live in a theocracy, and I don't any Christian would. We've lived in a country where only heterosexual marriage was accepted for well over 200 years. How would making heterosexual marriage the law of the land suddenly turn the USA into a theocracy?

If we make laws based on religion, who's to say one denomination isn't going to make laws that oppress the freedom of your own? The question was about homosexual marriage. All the major religions of the world have held to heterosexual marriage since their beginnings.

I would vote yes because I don't think gay marriage is harmful in a secular sense, even if it is clearly stated as sinful in the Bible....I have to consider the fact that gay marriage doesn't have any more harmful consequences than heterosexual marriage. So why do you think it's in the Bible if it's no big deal?

As for the harm...from a secular perspective...fake marriage suggests that children don't need a mother and father...children can be raised by two "dads" or two "moms". That seems to suggest there is no differences between the two genders and that neither gender contributes uniquely to a child's upbringing.

From a secular perspective, I'm a bigot/hatemonger/phobe if I don't accept the lifestyle and I should get sued if I own a business and refuse to make a fake wedding cake, take pictures of a fake wedding, or perform other services that promote/support fake marriage.

I don't think homosexuality is any greater a sin than any other I didn't realize that stealing a dollar was as great a sin a stealing a billion dollars, or that punching someone was as bad as murdering him. No, sins aren't all equally bad. 1 Cor 6:9 suggests to me that some sins are looked at as worse than others.
 

Dan58

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Try to figure out how Jesus would vote on that, and then replicate it. :)
A 'Yes" vote is an endorsement, and I don't recall Jesus encouraging such a thing.
 
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In Australia we have all been posted a letter to vote yes or no to gay marriage.
It is causing a bit of friction but, but my question is, should a Bible believing Christian vote yes to Gay marriage or No.

We all know that God love everyone the same, but some churches are all for it and others are against.
It is causing a bit of friction but, but my question is, should a Bible believing Christian vote yes to Gay marriage or No. Children need a mom and a dad. Moms and dads offer uniquely to a marriage/family...they aren't merely interchangeable bodies.

Business people shouldn't be forced to promote activities that they clearly object to:

Jewish/Muslim butcher shops shouldn't be forced to process pigs.

Jewish/Muslim/Christian photographers & cake makers shouldn't be forced to provide services that endorse/celebrate fake marriages.

Jewish/Muslim/Christian/LGBTQRSUVWXYZ business owners shouldn't be forced to provide services that endorse/celebrate Nazism, ISIS, Polygamy, etc.

LGBTQRSUVWXYZ print-shops owners shouldn't be forced to produce signs that endorse/celebrate traditional marriage as superior and eternal.

Legalizing fake marriage blurs marriage, gender roles, and is hostile to the business owners...just give it time.
 

Liber

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I don't want to live in a theocracy, and I don't any Christian would. We've lived in a country where only heterosexual marriage was accepted for well over 200 years. How would making heterosexual marriage the law of the land suddenly turn the USA into a theocracy?

If we make laws based on religion, who's to say one denomination isn't going to make laws that oppress the freedom of your own? The question was about homosexual marriage. All the major religions of the world have held to heterosexual marriage since their beginnings.

I would vote yes because I don't think gay marriage is harmful in a secular sense, even if it is clearly stated as sinful in the Bible....I have to consider the fact that gay marriage doesn't have any more harmful consequences than heterosexual marriage. So why do you think it's in the Bible if it's no big deal?

As for the harm...from a secular perspective...fake marriage suggests that children don't need a mother and father...children can be raised by two "dads" or two "moms". That seems to suggest there is no differences between the two genders and that neither gender contributes uniquely to a child's upbringing.

From a secular perspective, I'm a bigot/hatemonger/phobe if I don't accept the lifestyle and I should get sued if I own a business and refuse to make a fake wedding cake, take pictures of a fake wedding, or perform other services that promote/support fake marriage.

I don't think homosexuality is any greater a sin than any other I didn't realize that stealing a dollar was as great a sin a stealing a billion dollars, or that punching someone was as bad as murdering him. No, sins aren't all equally bad. 1 Cor 6:9 suggests to me that some sins are looked at as worse than others.
I believe businesses should be allowed to refuse service to anyone they want for whatever reason they want. It's their property, they should do with it as they please. If the owner of a business feels gay marriage is wrong and they want nothing to do with homosexuals, they should be allowed to refuse service to homosexuals. And, truth be told, anyone who is unhappy with the owner can refuse service to the owner if he goes into their shop.

That said, banning gay marriage for religious purposes directly contradicts the U.S. Constitution which states that the government shall make no laws respecting the establishment of religion, or in other words banning gay marriage for religious purposes.

I don't smoke cigarettes, and I don't think anyone should smoke cigarettes. It's a disgusting, unhealthy, habit. However, I support the right for others to smoke cigarettes. That's their choice. They are the ones who will ultimately have to take responsibility for their actions.

If gays want to get married, they should be allowed to, not because gay marriage is acceptable but because we should strive to live in a free nation. Who are we to deny the marriage between two people of the same sex when they aren't infringing on our rights? If they are to be held accountable for their actions, let God judge them. Let man dictate law to protect people's rights, to protect people from one another, not themselves.

You argued that this is about marriage, not about other laws, which is why you aren't concerned with the government using one's own denomination's values to create laws conflicting with the values of your denomination. The problem is, where do you draw the line? You're thinking about each individual law as you would wish it to be written, but you are only accounting for yourself. We live in a society, and if you don't want your own freedoms to be threatened you must also protect the freedoms of others. If you believe the government should be allowed to force people to abide by certain religious doctrine, then you're merely inviting the government to endorse religious views you may disagree with.

Government should not be in the business of religion. Look at the Church of England, look at Nazi Germany, look at all the governments who bastardize religion for their own gain! Government can't be trusted with religion. If you're okay with leaving your religion in the hands of politicians, fine by me. But I believe separation of church and state is best for everyone, including Christians.

I must reiterate, voting yes for gay marriage is NOT an endorsement for gay marriage any more than voting yes to allowing people to smoke cigarettes is an endorsement of smoking. You can argue that marriage is between one man, one woman, and God, but this doesn't account for all the non-religious marriages. Shouldn't it be illegal for atheists to get married, since their marriage is between one man, one woman, with nothing to do with God? Of course not, because marriage to them is a different concept.

Lastly, and I emphasize, I honestly believe the government should get out of the marriage business all together. Leave marriage up to the people. If churches want to marry people, they should be able to wed whomever they want. If two people want to have a secular marriage outside a church, that's fine too. Sure, we may call both of them marriages, but there's a difference between a marriage in accordance to the Bible and a non-biblical marriage. Is it wrong? Again, let GOD be the judge, not man. Man needs to focus on protecting each other from other people.
 

Liber

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It is causing a bit of friction but, but my question is, should a Bible believing Christian vote yes to Gay marriage or No. Children need a mom and a dad. Moms and dads offer uniquely to a marriage/family...they aren't merely interchangeable bodies.

Business people shouldn't be forced to promote activities that they clearly object to:

Jewish/Muslim butcher shops shouldn't be forced to process pigs.

Jewish/Muslim/Christian photographers & cake makers shouldn't be forced to provide services that endorse/celebrate fake marriages.

Jewish/Muslim/Christian/LGBTQRSUVWXYZ business owners shouldn't be forced to provide services that endorse/celebrate Nazism, ISIS, Polygamy, etc.

LGBTQRSUVWXYZ print-shops owners shouldn't be forced to produce signs that endorse/celebrate traditional marriage as superior and eternal.

Legalizing fake marriage blurs marriage, gender roles, and is hostile to the business owners...just give it time.
Children are better off with one parent or two parents of the same sex than living in an orphanage until they're adults.

I agree that businesses should be left alone. I understand your concern. However, why should non-Christians be prohibited from getting married because of Christian values? Christians don't own marriage, marriage is an agreement that stems from various different cultures and is used by various different cultures to this day.

Just to stress, this isn't an endorsement for gay marriage. Let homosexuals answer to God for their actions. However, they must be free to make those choices.

I completely understand why you feel like gay marriage would lead to businesses being forced to serve gays. As reasonable as that sounds, I disagree. The reason businesses are being forced to serve homosexuals isn't because gay marriage is beginning to be legalized, but instead because we live in a society that doesn't appreciate personal property rights. We live in a society filled with left-leaning people who believe businesses should not be treated as private entities but instead public goods. I believe this is the problem that is causing the government to infringe on not only religious rights, but also private property rights in general.
 

I_am_Canadian

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Dude its not just your country, its the whole world.
Satan is turning people against God and against God's people,
the whole label thing is a tactic to make people live in fear of being judged.
But God is going to judge us weather we like it or not, not just us but the unsaved too.
wear the label with pride my friend, if you get labeled a homophobe and a biggot,
Its satans way of calling you just and righteous. or A sexist... Just do whats right my friend.

I've been called a homophobe and a biggot by a staff memeber of a provencial politician.
Gotta love liberals lol. For supporting a federal MP in his stand for not going to gay pride events.
Yes our Federal MP is Conservative lol.

I dont know why Jesus doesnt just throw the wicked into hell right now, I personally cant tollerate them any more.
I think God is long past due in judging the world. May he come soon. Long live truth justice and righteousness.

Yes Australia is very bad at the moment with those whole same sex promotion and acceptance. It is getting out of control in my opinion. Thing is this postal vote that people are getting in the mail, it is not even a real vote, it is a survey. It literally is throwing money away (my understanding is the whole survey is costing about $122 million dollars).

So this survey at the end of the day is not even legally binding as far as I know.

What is getting crazy is that if you have people are saying it is okay to vote for "no", before you know it, this lgbt totalitarian representatives get all upset about it. It is as if that people are not even allowed to voice their opinion, that it is now reaching the point that where from my point of view, if people don't vote "yes" they are name called either as a homophone or bigot.

Problem is, in my opinion, this survey is a big waste of money.

First, let us define marriage, a close and intimate relationship between a man and a woman.

Now in Australia, same sex relationships are already recognize to some degree, as defacto relationships. And with same sex couples and adoption, as far as I am aware, with the exception of Northern Territory, the other states in Australia allow the adoption.

At the end of the day, those in charge leading Australia, have to make a choice.

And this whole concept of love is love you see that is paraded in these events, nothing could be further from the truth (and some of the video clips I have seen on youtube, get violent and out of control).

In the case of these LGBT activists, there is this mentality and attitude that love thy neighbour means to celebrate and promote a lifestyle that is considered an abomination (it is stated in the bible).

Let us be blunt, and be realistic, man+man or woman+woman close relationships/unions goes against biology, because such close relationships cannot lead to a couple being able to have children. They can do all sorts of promotion campaigns, this and that, but at the end of the day, in order for a child to be created, the child needs two biological parents, both a male and a female.

This whole concept same sex marriage acceptance, we are seeing families being destroyed in the process.
 
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Yes, laws can be reversed.
And who said anything about forcing? Do we not have rights to voice our opinions? To vote for what we believe?
According to your logic any side that wins is "forcing their beliefs" on those that disagree. That's quite a victimization mindset.
If gay marriage is legalized in not being forced to do anything. And, really, most of this is more about getting legal rights to things such as insurance between spouses than a genuine concern for legal marriage. But that won't get people in your side. Make it about "love" and people will jump on board.

Besides, it's undeniable that every door that is opened is only moving in the direction of opening a door on another taboo subject further down the line.
Gay marriage was legalized in the US and following that not an increase in groups wanting to push for the legalization of other sorts of relationships. And then gender fluidity. And not designating bathrooms by gender. The door was opened and it invited a wave of immorality.
But we are supposed to sit by and do nothing because we don't have the right to a voice? I think not.
To be clear, homosexual marriage has rarely been legalized in the US. It has been "justified," aka forced down our throats through liberal courts. That's what our country does now. If our laws won't do it and our voices don't go along with it, then cram it through judges that should, in no way shape or form ever be judges, until court cases create new, illegal law.

Which is why I still would like to know why the Aussies even get to vote on the question, since their choice was already stripped from them too.
 
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NO!




(my message was to short with one exclamation point so I have to type more).....
How to get around the 10-or-more characters thingy on CC.

If my answer is less than 10 character, I add some space than type a bunch of ..........s, highlight those dots, and then choose the color white to conceal it.

If anyone ever wants to see our full answer, they can highlight what we wrote and the white is revealed.

(Highlight what I wrote, and you see what happens to what you missed. lol)

It's quicker than explained why you're adding more. :)
 

mzjulia

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You all need to go back to the beginning of the Bible when God made every thing and he said let there be man and woman.Not woman and woman and not man and man. yes I am against it go to the book of Romans Ch 1 and Jude Ch 1
 
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we know that these words in ALL of the lives that have ever lived upon the face of this world,
filter-down to 'two-very-important-words in a person's life',
(right or wrong = yeah or nay'...some of us get a conscience early-on, others later, if at all...
thank You Lord, for the 2nd. Resu...

this is why we MUST all have, each one of us a 'personal relationship' with our Saviour, -
not one that another has implanted into our young or new, fragile, hearts...only our Saviour can impart
this into us, at any age, at any time of our lives,,,Faith, Hope, Charity...........................
 

Adstar

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In Australia we have all been posted a letter to vote yes or no to gay marriage.
It is causing a bit of friction but, but my question is, should a Bible believing Christian vote yes to Gay marriage or No.

We all know that God love everyone the same, but some churches are all for it and others are against.
Christians vote No to Gay Marriage..

If you are against sodomy then how can you even be for gay marriage at all?
 
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right, what's in a word?

but in our society, we need someone like a 'spouse' to make decisions for, say, someone in a coma.

so, just call it a 'Life Partnership' or something.

I don't think too many people would object to that. After all, we don't mind if gays form a corporation.
If defining a "Life Partnership" was what they wanted, that's what should have been asked for. The danger of calling a homosexual relationship a marriage is that it cheapens the meaning and purpose of marriage, and in a world which is in open rebellion against God, the meaning of marriage could well be lost to the unsaved.
 
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To be clear, homosexual marriage has rarely been legalized in the US. It has been "justified," aka forced down our throats through liberal courts. That's what our country does now. If our laws won't do it and our voices don't go along with it, then cram it through judges that should, in no way shape or form ever be judges, until court cases create new, illegal law.

Which is why I still would like to know why the Aussies even get to vote on the question, since their choice was already stripped from them too.
The result of the vote is non-binding. So its justification for the gay lobby if it wins, and non-binding to allow them to regroup and further propagandize if it loses.

I'm not certain about this, but I believe there will not even be the strictness around the vote as in an election, as it is non-binding (so types of vote fraud could occur, and there need not be any investigation).