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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Well, actually I didn't say: they ONLY, speak Greek. I said: All the churches spoke the Greek language. And I think the most of the scholar agree with me with this. The common language was Koine Greek. (I think every scholar do agree with me) (for more information you can use wikipedia). Not everybody spoke Latin, or Aramaic.. but everybody spoke Greek.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The most Jews in Israel in the time of Jesus didn't speak Hebrew. Sorry.. it was mostly Aramaic. You said. In fact the Gospel of Matthew is written in Hebrew.. Well, there are some scholars who think this.. But the most of them, they think it is in the Greek languages. But we have to understand, that if it was written in the Hebrew languages, it was written in a dialect languages.. or probably Aramaic. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]But to say: the gospel is written in Hebrew languages.. that is what we can't prove.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Yes, sure.. I agree complete with this.. but we have to understand that allmost all of the new believers in Christ,.. spoke Greek...and not Hebrew. So they need the Greek version too. I don't think you can't deny this. There was a version in the Bible that all believers understood.. and that is the Septuaginta.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]What I would say by this? Well I will explain: When there is written: There is only one Kurios... that mean.. there aren't more Kurios as one.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Like you say in the text in 1Cor 8:6[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord (Kurios) Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]I will take for example the text in 1 Cor 3:20. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The Kurios knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Paul use this quote from the OT, from Ps 94:11. And the Hebrew text said:[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]YHWH knoweth the thoughts of man, that they [are] vanity.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The Septuaginta said: The Kurios, knows the thoughts of men, that they are vain.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The point is.. if Paul say: There is one Kurios... like he said in 1Cor 8:6.. that mean.. all the text with the title Kurios is meaning that is Jesus. So 1 Cor 3:20 is meaning Jesus knoweth the thought of the wise, that they are vain..[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]And when you read, the context: Vs 19.. it said[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]You can understand that with the word... the Lord.. is meaning God. Or actually.. the word Kurios is meaning... God.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The answer is: Jesus is the Kurios and He is God.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]If Paul didn't thaught not an different teaching, he said: Jesus is God.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Well I think with this text you prove Jesus is God well done. And the same you can see in the Hebrew languages..[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]How many Lords did David know?... And can you answer this? If David calls Him (Jesus) Kurios, how can Jesus be His son.. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Read the complete context and pray.. and you will see.. that it mean, Jesus is God.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Well the demonic powers called them self theos, and kurios... but actually there is one God, and Kurios.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]And when we read the Bible with open eyes,.. we will see that..[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]As example I will quote;[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]This is one of the many verses that there is one God. And no one else...[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif](Pls read vs 5)[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Some are called gods.. but they aren't... the same is for Lords.. And this mean..[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]when we read the Shema in the Pentateuch:[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]So the context of this verse showed you.. that you have to change your vision about this. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jesus is Lord and God..[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]I hope I can gave you an answer at all your reply..[/FONT]
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That is totally incorrect and just about every scholar will disagree with your conclusion here. ALL CHURCHES did not just speak ONLY Greek nor were the Scriptures they used only in Greek. Jesus Christ did not speak in Greek when He went into the Temple and the Synagogues in Jerusalem or Judea or in some of the other surrounding towns in order to teach or debate with the Pharisees. They probably would have thrown Him out or outright stoned them on the spot in some of those places.
And neither did the Apostles when they were doing the same thing in the same places. And neither was the Septuagint used exclusively in those places.
On the other hand, the Jews of the Diaspora, living in Greek cities and other nations, would have been the ones more in need of a Greek version of the OT.
And neither did the Apostles when they were doing the same thing in the same places. And neither was the Septuagint used exclusively in those places.
On the other hand, the Jews of the Diaspora, living in Greek cities and other nations, would have been the ones more in need of a Greek version of the OT.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Well, actually I didn't say: they ONLY, speak Greek. I said: All the churches spoke the Greek language. And I think the most of the scholar agree with me with this. The common language was Koine Greek. (I think every scholar do agree with me) (for more information you can use wikipedia). Not everybody spoke Latin, or Aramaic.. but everybody spoke Greek.[/FONT]
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The languages spoken at that time were Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek and likely Latin as well. The Jews were and still are very zealous of their heritage and they would have used Hebrew to communicate with each other. In fact, the Gospel of Matthew was written in Hebrew.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The most Jews in Israel in the time of Jesus didn't speak Hebrew. Sorry.. it was mostly Aramaic. You said. In fact the Gospel of Matthew is written in Hebrew.. Well, there are some scholars who think this.. But the most of them, they think it is in the Greek languages. But we have to understand, that if it was written in the Hebrew languages, it was written in a dialect languages.. or probably Aramaic. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]But to say: the gospel is written in Hebrew languages.. that is what we can't prove.[/FONT]
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On the other hand, the Jews of the Diaspora, living in Greek cities and other nations, would have been the ones more in need of a Greek version of the OT.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Yes, sure.. I agree complete with this.. but we have to understand that allmost all of the new believers in Christ,.. spoke Greek...and not Hebrew. So they need the Greek version too. I don't think you can't deny this. There was a version in the Bible that all believers understood.. and that is the Septuaginta.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]To prove this I will show some, what is written in the book of Corinthe:
1 Corinthians 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
The Septuaginta
Isaiah 29:14 Therefore behold I will proceed to remove this people, and I will remove them: and I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will hide the understanding of the prudent.
The MT (Masoretic Text):
Isaiah 29:14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, [even] a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise [men] shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent [men] shall be hid.
And I will show another quote:
1 Corinthians 3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.
Septuaginta
Psalms 93:11The Lord knows the thoughts of men, that they are vain.
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Psalms 94:11 The LORD knoweth the thoughts of man, that they [are] vanity. [/FONT]
1 Corinthians 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
The Septuaginta
Isaiah 29:14 Therefore behold I will proceed to remove this people, and I will remove them: and I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will hide the understanding of the prudent.
The MT (Masoretic Text):
Isaiah 29:14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, [even] a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise [men] shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent [men] shall be hid.
And I will show another quote:
1 Corinthians 3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.
Septuaginta
Psalms 93:11The Lord knows the thoughts of men, that they are vain.
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Psalms 94:11 The LORD knoweth the thoughts of man, that they [are] vanity. [/FONT]
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But the question I have is what exactly are you trying to say by pointing all this out?
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]What I would say by this? Well I will explain: When there is written: There is only one Kurios... that mean.. there aren't more Kurios as one.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Like you say in the text in 1Cor 8:6[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord (Kurios) Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]I will take for example the text in 1 Cor 3:20. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The Kurios knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Paul use this quote from the OT, from Ps 94:11. And the Hebrew text said:[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]YHWH knoweth the thoughts of man, that they [are] vanity.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The Septuaginta said: The Kurios, knows the thoughts of men, that they are vain.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The point is.. if Paul say: There is one Kurios... like he said in 1Cor 8:6.. that mean.. all the text with the title Kurios is meaning that is Jesus. So 1 Cor 3:20 is meaning Jesus knoweth the thought of the wise, that they are vain..[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]And when you read, the context: Vs 19.. it said[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written: "He taketh the wise in their own craftiness";[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]20 and again, "The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]20 and again, "The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The answer is: Jesus is the Kurios and He is God.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]If Paul didn't thaught not an different teaching, he said: Jesus is God.[/FONT]
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The same question I have asked you above applies to your comments here as well.
But let’s look at your Mark verse in more detail and let’s quote a bit more of the context. Jesus, the Son of God, the Christ, was having a question and answer debate, if you will, with the Sadducees and Pharisees in the temple. I will use the Greek equivalent in place of “Lord”. I will also use Matthew’s version of the account instead of Mark’s. It says the same thing:
Matt 22:41-45 “While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, saying, "What do you think about the Christ? Whose Son is He?" They said to Him, "The Son of David." He said to them, "How then does David in the Spirit call Him `KURIOS,' saying: `The KURIOS said to my KURIOS, "Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool" '? "If David then calls Him `KURIOS,' how is He his Son?"
Verse 37 in Matthew and verse 29 in Mark, are direct quotes of:
Psa. 110:1 “A Psalm of David. The KURIOS said unto my KURIOS, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Now, who do you suppose is David’s “KURIOS”? And who is “THE KURIOS“ that is instructing David’s “KURIOS?
By the way, which language do you think Jesus was using when He spoke in these verses?
But let’s look at your Mark verse in more detail and let’s quote a bit more of the context. Jesus, the Son of God, the Christ, was having a question and answer debate, if you will, with the Sadducees and Pharisees in the temple. I will use the Greek equivalent in place of “Lord”. I will also use Matthew’s version of the account instead of Mark’s. It says the same thing:
Matt 22:41-45 “While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, saying, "What do you think about the Christ? Whose Son is He?" They said to Him, "The Son of David." He said to them, "How then does David in the Spirit call Him `KURIOS,' saying: `The KURIOS said to my KURIOS, "Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool" '? "If David then calls Him `KURIOS,' how is He his Son?"
Verse 37 in Matthew and verse 29 in Mark, are direct quotes of:
Psa. 110:1 “A Psalm of David. The KURIOS said unto my KURIOS, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Now, who do you suppose is David’s “KURIOS”? And who is “THE KURIOS“ that is instructing David’s “KURIOS?
By the way, which language do you think Jesus was using when He spoke in these verses?
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Well I think with this text you prove Jesus is God well done. And the same you can see in the Hebrew languages..[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]How many Lords did David know?... And can you answer this? If David calls Him (Jesus) Kurios, how can Jesus be His son.. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Read the complete context and pray.. and you will see.. that it mean, Jesus is God.[/FONT]
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The Corinthians would have thought exactly what Paul said to them: that in the heavens and in the earth there are many THEOS and many KURIOS but that TO US there was ONE THEOS, the Father and ONE KURIOS, Jesus Christ and that NOT MANY knew this fact.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Well the demonic powers called them self theos, and kurios... but actually there is one God, and Kurios.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]And when we read the Bible with open eyes,.. we will see that..[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]As example I will quote;[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Isaiah 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid. Have not I told thee from that time and have declared it? Ye are even My witnesses. Is there a God besides Me? Yea, there is no God. I know not any."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]This is one of the many verses that there is one God. And no one else...[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif](Pls read vs 5)[/FONT]
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4 Concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no other God but One.
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]5 For though there be what are called "gods," whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many "gods" and many "lords"),[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]6 yet to us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we in Him, and one Lord Jesus Christ by whom are all things, and we by Him.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]6 yet to us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we in Him, and one Lord Jesus Christ by whom are all things, and we by Him.[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Some are called gods.. but they aren't... the same is for Lords.. And this mean..[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]when we read the Shema in the Pentateuch:[/FONT]
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Hear, O Israel, The Kurios our God is one Kurios
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]So the context of this verse showed you.. that you have to change your vision about this. [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jesus is Lord and God..[/FONT]